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Old 18 September 2013, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Shaid
Why would you even say such a thing?

Goes to show your overall low thinking capacity.

Why would I want to hurt you mentally or physically? You are a nobody in my world. A name on some website and that's it. An irrelevant spec of nothingness that I will frankly forget about by morning time.

Even when ScoobyProjects scammed me out of thousands and I really did have feeling of physically hurting him I refused to follow said feelings as I know that ultimately his children would get mentally scared by the end result.

My parents foster children. I know exactly what effect a battered adult has on a child.

So you tell me then you utter mong, why would I want to hurt you in any capacity?
What? Truth hurts doesn't it?
Agree with you on this though

You are a nobody in my world. A name on some website and that's it. An irrelevant spec of nothingness that I will frankly forget about by morning time.
Strange you seem rather upset by it all going on your above quote.
Old 18 September 2013, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbohot
Whenever I've seen quite a few Muslim women gathered together in their Burqas with veil, they removed the veil in 'women only' company. In the presence of men or in an open public place, though, they'll keep it on, and use their senses to recognise the voice, eyes, body shape and body language of the other woman. Their children are also good identification marks for Muslim women, as once they've had them, they're usually with them.

Hope this reasonable answer without any ridicule to Muslims helps. If there's any different/more to it, some Muslim person may correct me/add satisfaction to your query.
The only woman I know (old mates sister) who wears the veil is pretty cool. I can talk to her like a normal person. The first few moments are awkward but after that all is cool.

As for how to pick the right one out of a group. Dunno really. I believe some people have the listening device or plip the button on their key fob.
Old 18 September 2013, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Moz_Rb5
Agree with you on this though



Strange you seem rather upset by it all going on your above quote.
Don't worry about that. A few truths never hurt anyone
Old 18 September 2013, 12:42 AM
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You'll let me know when I see a "truth" wont you? I haven't seen one yet.
Old 18 September 2013, 12:47 AM
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I can lead you to the well, not force you to drink from it.
Old 18 September 2013, 12:57 AM
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Just like I could lead you to a cliff.....
Old 18 September 2013, 05:48 AM
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Moz, I have to ask, why have you got a quote from Matteeboy on your signature?
Old 18 September 2013, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Shaid
Well correct, I do have a chip on my shoulder. Not by choice mind you it has been placed there by years of bullcrap from the type of ******* who frequent car forums in order to spread Muslamic contempt. Granted all the other Muslamics are sensible and turn the other cheek but I see these ***** for the vermin that they are.

Also what is it with you army guys and going on about serving the country. The country has not been at war recently. You served the government only. You was doing a job only that you got paid to do and you chose to do it. What has your job got to do with anything. Stop using employment with the forces as some sort of online badge of honour. Maybe the local taxi drivers should go on about 'serving the country' as their online badge of honour as they pretty much are serving the people of the country.
Firstly, it was you who brought up the issue of serving this country. I merely wished to point out that I have served this country too, your forefathers didn't have a monopoly on this, many many British served too, to protect loudmouth bigots like you.
My whole initial point, was that it appears to all 'communities' that race relations are deteriorating instead of improving over the years. If you don't believe that, you're naive.
I'm happy to have a discussion, even banter, but give the insults a rest, you're making yourself look a proper bell end
Old 18 September 2013, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Spudgun GTR
Firstly, it was you who brought up the issue of serving this country. I merely wished to point out that I have served this country too, your forefathers didn't have a monopoly on this, many many British served too, to protect loudmouth bigots like you.
My whole initial point, was that it appears to all 'communities' that race relations are deteriorating instead of improving over the years. If you don't believe that, you're naive.
I'm happy to have a discussion, even banter, but give the insults a rest, you're making yourself look a proper bell end
Well, obviously a load of British served. It was Britains war after all. Furthermore you're the one who mentioned 'forefathers' first not me!

The point i'm getting at before you make absurd comments like derogatory and inflamatory statements like 'It seems british born muslims have little patriotism for this country try to think a little about history and engage the brain first as not only is your statement an outright lie but it's damn offensive too.

Oh and here's a link from right wing gutter press supporting what you have not stated.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sh-people.html

Moving onto your comment about race relations i think you'll find that genetically white folk and Pakistani folk are pretty much the same race however skin tones are the differentiation here as well as culture. Relations between communities i agree have got worse over the years from a casual observer viewpoint. I mean i have no statistics on wether this is true or not however i could give your comment some credibility.

As for insults. I haven't insulted anybody. Just merely used words to accurately describe them
Old 18 September 2013, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Shaid
Well, obviously a load of British served. It was Britains war after all. Furthermore you're the one who mentioned 'forefathers' first not me!

The point i'm getting at before you make absurd comments like derogatory and inflamatory statements like 'It seems british born muslims have little patriotism for this country try to think a little about history and engage the brain first as not only is your statement an outright lie but it's damn offensive too.

Oh and here's a link from right wing gutter press supporting what you have not stated.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sh-people.html

Moving onto your comment about race relations i think you'll find that genetically white folk and Pakistani folk are pretty much the same race however skin tones are the differentiation here as well as culture. Relations between communities i agree have got worse over the years from a casual observer viewpoint. I mean i have no statistics on wether this is true or not however i could give your comment some credibility.

As for insults. I haven't insulted anybody. Just merely used words to accurately describe them
I don't think you read anything, I think you have some negative anti British rant pre programmed in your thick skull, and no matter what I say, you're only wish is for it to contain any words that you may deem offensive to poor old you. It's not the fact that you're presumably Muslim that I think you're a dislikeable individual, you'd be a ***** if you were white and Christian. End of.
Old 18 September 2013, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by tubbytommy
im not english, im irish.

i dont want to be english either but while i live here i obey the laws of the land and accept its customs.

i wouldnt expect everyone here to celebrate st patricks day or take down union jacks and not mention st georges day so not to offend me.
And what part of this Island would you be from tubby?
Old 18 September 2013, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Spudgun GTR
I don't think you read anything, I think you have some negative anti British rant pre programmed in your thick skull, and no matter what I say, you're only wish is for it to contain any words that you may deem offensive to poor old you. It's not the fact that you're presumably Muslim that I think you're a dislikeable individual, you'd be a ***** if you were white and Christian. End of.
Hmm, the 'Pre programmed jibe'.... Come on, be original will you.

Sorry bud, I was giving you more credibility than I think you deserve.

I think we should agree to disagree on this subject.
Old 18 September 2013, 10:41 AM
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In a thread which has now been removed you called me a "bigot" Shaid can you explain fully why you have come to this conclusion about me
Old 18 September 2013, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Dingdongler
Moz, I have to ask, why have you got a quote from Matteeboy on your signature?
Just made me laugh at the time, still puts a smile on my face when I see it now even talking to oxygen thief's like Shaid.
Old 18 September 2013, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Moz_Rb5
In a thread which has now been removed you called me a "bigot" Shaid can you explain fully why you have come to this conclusion about me
No, I do not need to explain why I pigeonhole you under the worthless bigot category. It's a category which seems very apt for a **** like you. I'm sure if you attempt to engage your brain you could work it out yourself.

On second thoughts, maybe you aren't really a bigot. You haven't really said anything 'really' bigoted to me. Okay you've come across as a bit of a dick but maybe that's just your character. Either way if I've offended you by calling you a bigot it was not my intention (well it was but I'd hate to see you take it personally).

That doesn't mean you don't come across as a dick though. That I'm pretty certain you are.

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Old 18 September 2013, 11:37 AM
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A new twist in the debate...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ace-veils.html

This is totally unacceptable.
Old 18 September 2013, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
A new twist in the debate...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ace-veils.html

This is totally unacceptable.
Two arguments - it's the school uniform what difference is to ruling that girls must wear skirts and boys blazers. Why is the term 'force' being used and surely if its schools rules then its schools rules. That is the argument being used ref the veil and courts. The school aren't breaking any of the countries laws.

I would never send my daughter to such a school. Well not nowadays in this country as no doubt by wearing a veil she would become the target for hostility.

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Old 18 September 2013, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Shaid
Two arguments - it's the school uniform what difference is to ruling that girls must wear skirts and boys blazers.
It is the cultural norm for this country for boys to wear trousers and girls to wear skirts, but girls can wear trousers the last time I checked. It is not the cultural norm to hide people's faces (yet at least).

The real question is why is it even in the school's rules to cover up the girls faces?! If that isn't treating schoolgirls as second class citizens I would like to know what is.

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Old 18 September 2013, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
It is the cultural norm for this country for boys to wear trousers and girls to wear skirts, but girls can wear trousers the last time I checked. It is not the cultural norm to hide people's faces (yet at least).

The real question is why is it even in the school's rules to cover up the girls faces?! If that isn't treating schoolgirls as second class citizens I would like to know what is.
I can't argue with that statement.
Old 18 September 2013, 01:09 PM
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Seems like she was wearing the veil to hide her shame then.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2424317/Muslim-woman-Shaheda-Lorgat-unmasked-court-stealing-college.html
Old 18 September 2013, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
A new twist in the debate...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ace-veils.html

This is totally unacceptable.
How do the teachers tell if the 'real' pupil is actually in school or not?
There no way to tell who is under there
Old 18 September 2013, 03:09 PM
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The Daily Mail needs closing down, it's a race hate inciting rag that targets the stupid!
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Originally Posted by Shaid
No, I do not need to explain why I pigeonhole you under the worthless bigot category. It's a category which seems very apt for a **** like you. I'm sure if you attempt to engage your brain you could work it out yourself.

On second thoughts, maybe you aren't really a bigot. You haven't really said anything 'really' bigoted to me. Okay you've come across as a bit of a dick but maybe that's just your character. Either way if I've offended you by calling you a bigot it was not my intention (well it was but I'd hate to see you take it personally).

That doesn't mean you don't come across as a dick though. That I'm pretty certain you are.
So what you are trying to say is you're talking through your ar$e, I can be a dick when I want to but I wouldn't say I was in this thread. Just threw a bit of banter in and you got all upset.

You really do have an attitude problem, why you are on some sort of crusade about sodding veils I'll never no. Personally I couldn't give two f*cks who wears what in this country or any other country for that matter.

Out of interest do muslim women have tweed burkas if they live in the countryside?
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
The Daily Mail needs closing down, it's a race hate inciting rag that targets the stupid!
Not to mention the scaremongering with all this horsesh*t about the next way the human race will be wiped out.
Old 18 September 2013, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Moz_Rb5
So what you are trying to say is you're talking through your ar$e, I can be a dick when I want to but I wouldn't say I was in this thread. Just threw a bit of banter in and you got all upset.

You really do have an attitude problem, why you are on some sort of crusade about sodding veils I'll never no. Personally I couldn't give two f*cks who wears what in this country or any other country for that matter.

Out of interest do muslim women have tweed burkas if they live in the countryside?
You have been a dick and continue to be so.

I really don't know why I'm crusadeing about veils either. I can't stand the things but nevertheless it's the sister behind the veil matters. Leave her alone. As long as she does nothing illegal it is her right to dress however she sees fit. So leave her alone and stop slagging her off every opportunity you get (not you as an individual).

Don't know about the countryside tweed thingy.
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
The Daily Mail needs closing down, it's a race hate inciting rag that targets the stupid!
For once I totally agree
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
The Daily Mail needs closing down, it's a race hate inciting rag that targets the stupid!
Dismissing an article/viewpoint based on the fact it is from a particular publication is stupid!

It is one of many news outlets highlighting the veil issue right now, so should not be singled out. Yes it is sensationalist, but it would be a logical fallacy to dismiss it because of this.
Old 18 September 2013, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaid
As long as she does nothing illegal it is her right to dress however she sees fit. .
It is also the courts right to ask her not to wear it and she should at least have the common decency and respect to do as the courts ask.
Old 18 September 2013, 05:50 PM
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The punk movement fought for the right to wear what you want, and that includes the veil. It's a non issue.
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Originally Posted by paulr
includes the veil.
Yes, but you can see through a veil generally


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