dpb

It's the extreme end of one religion, these people want an Islamic state

Martin2005

It's the extreme end of a few peoples interpretation of one religion

Shaid

Yep, Shaid here.... i opened a chip shop with the bag of spuds that had grown on my shoulder. I'm making a very profitable income now. Thanks lunds of SN. It's nice to know that the lunds of SN think of me everytime there's a Muslim on the news. It's a shame it's only for the bad Muslims though

Nevertheless, i have a lower opinion of you too

Unfortunately there is no way i can defend this one. Most of you folk are right. These shabab guys are a bunch of *****.I have met the wife of one of the warlords. Some nasty things go on there.

I'm no fan of al shabab and even though i would love to disagree with most comments (as some of you guys are usually misinformed and full of ****) andfor arguments sake unfortunately on this occasion i can't. However i'm sure some of you can somehow twist it so that i am not only supporting them financially, but i must be recruiting for them in Birmingham's Somalian community and i'm enjoying Shisha and Kebabs with the leader every Tuesday evening too.

cster

Shisha + Kebab = Shabab ?

RA Dunk

That's right, letting one person walk away because they follow one religion while shooting the next person For following a different religion does not have anything to do with religion Martin.

I can't believe you just said that.

zip106

For the avoidance of doubt, which one is it?

dpb

I think we've got a clandestine Allah worshipper in our midst

Leslie

It always seems to be largely down to the individuals and that is probably caused by the way they are brought up.

Les

Leslie

That is a perfectly reasonable interpretation of the situation.

Les

Leslie

Are you saying that the religion in question told its followers to go out and murder those people?

Martin's point is perfectly valid.

The troubles are caused by the people concerned and their own personal wishes.

Les

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

If its the same religion, across several different countries, by different groups all interpreting something incorrectly then perhaps it is easily misinterpreted?.

RA Dunk

Martins point is not valid, are you saying Muslims targeting non Muslims in a non Muslim country about problems that's happening in a Muslim country isn't religion related?

stonejedi

iTrader: (51)

I can't really say this is about religion as I know a few proper Muslims and when we discuss these things that's been going on in Kenya at work they always say to me that these kind of men do not represent the Muslim faith as it does not teach these things and just call these men what they are terrorist and mad men using the title of Islam to incite a so called racial stir up.SJ.

Turbohot

Yeah, but some people sillygistically think/argue that Muslim means Islamist.

Martin2005

These people were blessed with free-will and chose to use that to kill innocent people, god didn't make them do that, neither did religion, THEY DID IT ALL BY THEMSELVES.

Blaming their actions on religion is crass, and actually gives them a cop-out they should never be given.

RA Dunk

So what makes these people any different from any other Religion based attack then?

Anyhow, looks like that's it done a dusted going by the comments the President of Nairobi just made on Sky news, hope so anyway.

Leslie

True.

I did ask above if the religion positively ordered them to kill others.

Les

RA Dunk

It's all in the name of religion though Les.

Put it like this, if there wasn't religion involved would it still be happening? I very much doubt it.

Martin2005

If guns weren't involved I doubt it would of happened. why not blame guns?

dpb

They might have used knives if guns wenrt available

Martin2005

They would of used politics (arguably the did) if religion wasn't available

Alan Jeffery

"Mall Massacre" will be available on GTA in 12 months, mark my words.

dpb

So what you're saying is these people have a legitimate complaint that western culture is invading east Africa, is that it , or are you just being your usual self

Turbohot

Exactly. What did that super extremist Hitler use for his extreme terrorism? He said he was an atheist, but he still caused one of the worst terrors of the history, didn't he? IMO he was a paranoid fcukwit with a toothbrush moosh.

Mind you, some people argue that he was the way he was because his ideology grew out of a religion. Some also say that this Islamist terrorism has grown out of Hitlerism, actually. One doesn't know what to believe.

Martin2005

Yeah that's exactly what I said

By being my 'usual self' I assume you mean applying logic and reason AS ALWAYS! Rather than your approach which a appears to throw around spurious arguments mixed up with emotion and a good measure of hyperbole

zip106

I think by being 'your usual self', possibly being that you are right and everyone else is wrong, as always.

You can't say for sure whether these evil people had religion as a cause to do this, as perhaps we can't say for certain that they did.

Maybe now it appears some have been captured, they'll tell us if they did it in the name of Allah, Jesus, or Ronald McDonald.
Time will tell.

Martin2005

I don't doubt for one second that these people used religion as there cause.

That's not the fault of religion though.

Why is that so hard to understand?

zip106

It's their interpretation of their religion - it's what they believe their religion is telling them - if religion didn't exist would they have done it?

Why is THAT so hard to understand?

You see - you're not right, and possibly neither am I.

Turbohot

Who made the religion, though? We need to look at it.

zip106

You can look at it - religion has no part in my life!