Is Britain Full Up? Sensible debate please.
14 November 2013, 08:27 PM
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I'm torn on this topic , my grandad was immigrant who came to the uk set up his own business and did ok , but that was many years ago
And also the previous comments the attitude about doing certain jobs in the uk ( the it's beneath me attitude )
Part of me thinks we don't help ourselves by allowing people to come into the uk and making it easy to find work ( that we don't or wouldn't do )
Then Obviously there's the ones that don't intend working and are coming for the free ride
I've posted previously about the difficulty of my company finding workers
The pay isn't that bad , so the question is how can people sit and moan when you see work and jobs available and no takers
And also the previous comments the attitude about doing certain jobs in the uk ( the it's beneath me attitude )
Part of me thinks we don't help ourselves by allowing people to come into the uk and making it easy to find work ( that we don't or wouldn't do )
Then Obviously there's the ones that don't intend working and are coming for the free ride
I've posted previously about the difficulty of my company finding workers
The pay isn't that bad , so the question is how can people sit and moan when you see work and jobs available and no takers
14 November 2013, 08:29 PM
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14 November 2013, 08:30 PM
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I'm torn on this topic , my grandad was immigrant who came to the uk set up his own business and did ok , but that was many years ago
And also the previous comments the attitude about doing certain jobs in the uk ( the it's beneath me attitude )
Part of me thinks we don't help ourselves by allowing people to come into the uk and making it easy to find work ( that we don't or wouldn't do )
Then Obviously there's the ones that don't intend working and are coming for the free ride
I've posted previously about the difficulty of my company finding workers
The pay isn't that bad , so the question is how can people sit and moan when you see work and jobs available and no takers
And also the previous comments the attitude about doing certain jobs in the uk ( the it's beneath me attitude )
Part of me thinks we don't help ourselves by allowing people to come into the uk and making it easy to find work ( that we don't or wouldn't do )
Then Obviously there's the ones that don't intend working and are coming for the free ride
I've posted previously about the difficulty of my company finding workers
The pay isn't that bad , so the question is how can people sit and moan when you see work and jobs available and no takers
How's tricks old lad
14 November 2013, 08:31 PM
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Everyone is a hard worker when you can earn three or four times the wage you could earn in your country of origin.
As for the young people in the UK, there's no jobs that are going to give them the life skills and prospects. The government is only interested in putting them on the scrap heap and importing skills from Europe and the rest of the world.
The UK government is even training the immigrants through the Skills funding agency while a whole generation of 'white trash' fester on benefit.
14 November 2013, 08:43 PM
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http://skillsfundingagency.bis.gov.u...rogrammes/nas/
Hmmm ...I'm sifting through for the "only johnny foreigner need apply" bit.
Hmmm ...I'm sifting through for the "only johnny foreigner need apply" bit.
14 November 2013, 08:45 PM
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That's a popular misconception about the Eastern Europeans being hard workers, its a popular view from that Question time programme.
Everyone is a hard worker when you can earn three or four times the wage you could earn in your country of origin.
As for the young people in the UK, there's no jobs that are going to give them the life skills and prospects. The government is only interested in putting them on the scrap heap and importing skills from Europe and the rest of the world.
The UK government is even training the immigrants through the Skills funding agency while a whole generation of 'white trash' fester on benefit.
Everyone is a hard worker when you can earn three or four times the wage you could earn in your country of origin.
As for the young people in the UK, there's no jobs that are going to give them the life skills and prospects. The government is only interested in putting them on the scrap heap and importing skills from Europe and the rest of the world.
The UK government is even training the immigrants through the Skills funding agency while a whole generation of 'white trash' fester on benefit.
We struggle to get workers full stop , from trainees to skilled workers
I was always told from a very young age ,go to work no matter what even if it's shovelling ****
You will get nowhere sat on your **** , which unfortunately some people do
14 November 2013, 08:50 PM
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http://skillsfundingagency.bis.gov.u...rogrammes/nas/
Hmmm ...I'm sifting through for the "only johnny foreigner need apply" bit.
Hmmm ...I'm sifting through for the "only johnny foreigner need apply" bit.
14 November 2013, 09:23 PM
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I find it hard to believe that applications aren't being snapped up. When I last advertised a vacancy at my local job centre for 6 days a week and only £250 I had over 100 applications.
Of course I had the obvious people turning up not wanting the job to remain on benefit but I had a lot of genuine applications.
Recently a friend of a friend added up what benefits he received per month including rent, council tax and child benefits etc. It came to £1800 after any deductions. As he explained it would be very hard to find a job that warranted him leaving his house for the same or less money.
Of course some of us work to set an example to our kids. But I can well understand someone looking around at the country that used to be England and not feeling proud and not wanting to contribute to a country that they feel doesn't belong to them anymore.
Of course I had the obvious people turning up not wanting the job to remain on benefit but I had a lot of genuine applications.
Recently a friend of a friend added up what benefits he received per month including rent, council tax and child benefits etc. It came to £1800 after any deductions. As he explained it would be very hard to find a job that warranted him leaving his house for the same or less money.
Of course some of us work to set an example to our kids. But I can well understand someone looking around at the country that used to be England and not feeling proud and not wanting to contribute to a country that they feel doesn't belong to them anymore.
14 November 2013, 09:30 PM
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Recently a friend of a friend added up what benefits he received per month including rent, council tax and child benefits etc. It came to £1800 after any deductions. As he explained it would be very hard to find a job that warranted him leaving his house for the same or less money.
14 November 2013, 09:30 PM
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Maybe it's a job that doesn't belong to him, ie the world market has changed
Still, no reason why we shouldn't fork out for him to sit on his arsenal for the rest of time
After all this is a 'first world country'
Still, no reason why we shouldn't fork out for him to sit on his arsenal for the rest of time
After all this is a 'first world country'
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14 November 2013, 09:44 PM
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Ho Ho but you take my point? He is spending much less than £1800 a month, a large portion puts food on the table of a 3rd party who contribues nothing. Rents are very high partly BECAUSE of housing benefit, partly BECAUSE of the very low interest rates 'saving' the housing market, and don't forget Help to Buy (or Help to Buy to Let?)?
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14 November 2013, 10:07 PM
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Truth is we have 2 issues that both need sorting asap, shut the boarder so we have less people, meaning less houses, less strains on nhs and schools, less traffic, more space, sustainible food, water and engergy and just allow in those we need, like doctors, than its sustainable as a island and helps are economy too, immigration isnt a issue, mass immigration of unskilled or low skilled workers or benefit cheats is the issue, we cannot sustain it, and no more workers who can work for near nothing as in there home country £1 is a lot, as British people cannot compete especially if they want off benifits and to support them selves, houses, food and energy costs too much to allow people to work in these in low wage jobs, and the second issue, getting the incresingly lazy British person off benefits and too work, saveing us a fortune, which with less forign Labour should be a bit eaisyer, along with some other things like cut benefits to make work pay. Both issues compliant them selves, but we cant just blame immigration, especially while we have such a work shy culture are selves
14 November 2013, 10:15 PM
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Ho Ho but you take my point? He is spending much less than £1800 a month, a large portion puts food on the table of a 3rd party who contribues nothing. Rents are very high partly BECAUSE of housing benefit, partly BECAUSE of the very low interest rates 'saving' the housing market, and don't forget Help to Buy (or Help to Buy to Let?)?
14 November 2013, 10:34 PM
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I'll make a prediction. In 10 years time the uk will still be the uk. It will not be a polish/Romanian/French enclave where all English people are serfs to the foreign overlords (at least not the ones discussed in this thread). There will still be universal health care, and free education.
As a European living in England, I occasionally feel sick to my back teeth of the stupidities some of you seem to believe in. You need to stop reading the tabloids and stop jumping to the oversimplified conclusions you're being led to by the media and other interests.
I know of NO Europeans in England claiming benefits - none (and I know of quite a few foreigners). This leads me to believe that its not as common as is made out. I know quite a few English who are sucking away at the tax payer's teet, though.
All the extra work the Europeans do should pay for quite a few schools, hospitals, roads etc, but it might be that it's being squandered on other stuff at present. Where I live there is no shortage of doctors and schools, however, so maybe in my area it's not needed. I always get an appointment when I need one at the doctors, as does my kid (oh no, I'm one of those foreigners...), so at least where I live, things are hunky dory from that point of view.
In times of economic issues, I think it's easy to blame foreigners for all of society's ills, and I see this in Sweden also, but I don't think it's an accurate reflection of reality, though it is a convenient scape goat.
Being young at the moment sucks - it was honestly a lot easier ten-fifteen years ago, however it seems to be the same across Europe (certainly in Sweden, France and Spain), so the issue is not unique to the uk, and as eastern Europe is not devoid of people, it would seem unlikely that the actual issue has to do with immigration from EE at all. Might be that recession and financial mismanagement (individual, corporate and state).
As a European living in England, I occasionally feel sick to my back teeth of the stupidities some of you seem to believe in. You need to stop reading the tabloids and stop jumping to the oversimplified conclusions you're being led to by the media and other interests.
I know of NO Europeans in England claiming benefits - none (and I know of quite a few foreigners). This leads me to believe that its not as common as is made out. I know quite a few English who are sucking away at the tax payer's teet, though.
All the extra work the Europeans do should pay for quite a few schools, hospitals, roads etc, but it might be that it's being squandered on other stuff at present. Where I live there is no shortage of doctors and schools, however, so maybe in my area it's not needed. I always get an appointment when I need one at the doctors, as does my kid (oh no, I'm one of those foreigners...), so at least where I live, things are hunky dory from that point of view.
In times of economic issues, I think it's easy to blame foreigners for all of society's ills, and I see this in Sweden also, but I don't think it's an accurate reflection of reality, though it is a convenient scape goat.
Being young at the moment sucks - it was honestly a lot easier ten-fifteen years ago, however it seems to be the same across Europe (certainly in Sweden, France and Spain), so the issue is not unique to the uk, and as eastern Europe is not devoid of people, it would seem unlikely that the actual issue has to do with immigration from EE at all. Might be that recession and financial mismanagement (individual, corporate and state).
14 November 2013, 11:01 PM
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14 November 2013, 11:05 PM
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to get the answer to the op's question you have to look at this country as a train,
1st class consist's of the very rich and mp's who all contribute sod all as they pay hardly any tax
2nd class all working paying tax and paying for everything that 1st class get on expences
3rd class all the benefit's of 2nd class but 2nd class pay for it(home grown benefit's scroungers)
and now just to rip the p1ss even more
4th class, leave home country with sod all come here, claim everything until they can find a job, but oh hand on they then realise they are better off on benefits, so they JUST SIT BACK AND ENJOY THE RIDE at our cost
quick cameron build a few more houses oops sorry i meant carriages
1st class consist's of the very rich and mp's who all contribute sod all as they pay hardly any tax
2nd class all working paying tax and paying for everything that 1st class get on expences
3rd class all the benefit's of 2nd class but 2nd class pay for it(home grown benefit's scroungers)
and now just to rip the p1ss even more
4th class, leave home country with sod all come here, claim everything until they can find a job, but oh hand on they then realise they are better off on benefits, so they JUST SIT BACK AND ENJOY THE RIDE at our cost
quick cameron build a few more houses oops sorry i meant carriages
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14 November 2013, 11:11 PM
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Truth is we have 2 issues that both need sorting asap, shut the boarder so we have less people, meaning less houses, less strains on nhs and schools, less traffic, more space, sustainible food, water and engergy and just allow in those we need, like doctors, than its sustainable as a island and helps are economy too, immigration isnt a issue, mass immigration of unskilled or low skilled workers or benefit cheats is the issue, we cannot sustain it, and no more workers who can work for near nothing as in there home country £1 is a lot, as British people cannot compete especially if they want off benifits and to support them selves, houses, food and energy costs too much to allow people to work in these in low wage jobs, and the second issue, getting the incresingly lazy British person off benefits and too work, saveing us a fortune, which with less forign Labour should be a bit eaisyer, along with some other things like cut benefits to make work pay. Both issues compliant them selves, but we cant just blame immigration, especially while we have such a work shy culture are selves
14 November 2013, 11:12 PM
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to get the answer to the op's question you have to look at this country as a train,
1st class consist's of the very rich and mp's who all contribute sod all as they pay hardly any tax
2nd class all working paying tax and paying for everything that 1st class get on expences
3rd class all the benefit's of 2nd class but 2nd class pay for it(home grown benefit's scroungers)
and now just to rip the p1ss even more
4th class, leave home country with sod all come here, claim everything until they can find a job, but oh hand on they then realise they are better off on benefits, so they JUST SIT BACK AND ENJOY THE RIDE at our cost
quick cameron build a few more houses oops sorry i meant carriages
1st class consist's of the very rich and mp's who all contribute sod all as they pay hardly any tax
2nd class all working paying tax and paying for everything that 1st class get on expences
3rd class all the benefit's of 2nd class but 2nd class pay for it(home grown benefit's scroungers)
and now just to rip the p1ss even more
4th class, leave home country with sod all come here, claim everything until they can find a job, but oh hand on they then realise they are better off on benefits, so they JUST SIT BACK AND ENJOY THE RIDE at our cost
quick cameron build a few more houses oops sorry i meant carriages
What does this actually mean?
14 November 2013, 11:16 PM
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