Hey im sure with the right disc & pad combination they wouldn't need to be

 

But haven't you mentioned somewhere yourself about subaru 4pots not being much good? Or am I mistaken? Only get fade after heavy braking mate like 100mph to around 40-50mph. After say the first hard application I dont feel confident at all with them

 

so please tell us what you actually want to know and we can tell you

 

scoobyJim on his bike?

 

FPMSL

I gave up a long time ago....

He is a bit like one of my mates - asks for advice then does the opposite....

 

Yea but im not actually asking what brakes I should get im asking what people think? There is a difference! Sorry if you don't feel I have explained myself well on here,please bear with me im new to this forum business. I dont even really like txting/messaging etc.lol but I do like to research things,whether you say I listen or not,I assure I do (even though still make wrong choices sometimes,im only human lol) and appreciate everyones feedback,well the nicer ones lol.(unfortunately this leads me to having to txt,I am much easier to understand & get on with in person,as im sure some of you are and you might believe me if you met me and maybe had seen for yourselves ).

 

Ok, that is funny

To the OP, I have Brembo's with PF discs and Bluestuff pads and 888's. I haven't managed to get brake fade at Cadwell or Spa, my friend has a similar setup albeit on an Evo 6 and DS3000 without fade and he brakes hard and late as anyone round Cadwell and has taken mine out and couldn't get fade.

Just to add, there was a set of AP 356mm Cp7040 on here and 22b last week, they only needed new pads £1100.

 

I am hearing you bro,I only had negative thoughts on brembo when i initially started thread. When I started getting good feedback from most people about them like yourself my views are changing. I was just saying in that last post that I was put off of them before coming on here in fear that they would fade.im not repeating any question! Maybe its the way im writing and reading back these messages! I dont know?

 

Is nobody interested in the k-sport 8 pots with discs and pads I found for £400 ?

Is this all a big joke from a forum troll?

 

if you ask what people think you will get a thousand answers, its like asking people whats your favourite colour?

basically your brakes (4 pots) are crap, brembos are better and so are ksports/d2 not a lot to choose between either.

 

plus why do people keep advising me on brembo,ap etc. When im not asking that,sorry dont mean to sound rude but its true

 

by the looks of it only you know what you are asking the rest of us havent a fcking clue.


for the record and forget everything else, what do you want to know??

 

I actually think its yous who need some help reading questions.like the one at the beginning of the thread. I can tell yous were in special needs class at school

 

But that is so not the question,either blind ir stupid or both

 

I can't begin to tell you how things are wrong with that little sentence!

 

Its actually ksport,d2 or pb? But thought id repeat myself one more time for you

 

 

At £800 or so for complete setup i would say they are budget personally,as are d2 & pb. Brembo are second hand for budget money. I havent rejected brembos,just getting views what people would buy from my budget range

 

Mate im listening.ap are the best etc etc,but when will people realise its not what I've been asking

 

right jim i have a newage sti which came with brembos, they are very good with the correct pads but have issues with the bolts snapping when you remove them to replace the discs and they need helicoiling.

when i went to replace my discs the above happened, rather than get them helicoiling,buy new discs and pads and repaint it was the same price to replace with d2s which are identical to ksports just a different sticker on the front. so i did.

as i run 18 inch wheels i bought 356mm kit and i have to say its slightly better than brembos but not vastly so and i put that down to the increased size.

so for me id go for ksport/d2s and thats from someone who has tried both setups with identical pads and you also get braided hoses in the kit.

and change the brake fluid at the same time.

does this answer it ???


and just to add if the brembos hadnt got above bolt issues would i have swapped them?? no but it was cost effective to as i sold on the brembos

 

Roundabout city yay!

 

Well thats the thing I cant drive it too hard because of brakes,they do work quite well before one or maybe two heavy stops. No one mentioned built up area pal

 

Seven ******* pages and he has yet to start a thread on Homo valves!

 

I like to drive fast when I can mate,im no boy racer but I do have particular set of roundabouts on a certain dual carriageway and when no one's about I have some fun. Appreciate your post and think I would prefer new if was buying but not looking to buy now just want opinions on the certain brands i mention in first post.thanks

 

Please read first post on this thread

 

Haha Very good,I wonder if he has the same pf brembo setup I had lol

 

I'll be polite and repeat myself ... this is all you need to know... Trust this peace of knowledge..... This guy has been given to test these brakes Ksport vs D2's vs Ap's.......

Quoting John Felstead:

With regards to the K sports, you may have 8 pots, but the surface area of those 8 pots is almost identical to the WRX 4 pot and less than OEM Brembo's. The K sports have two small leading pistons working on the area of the pad that provides the main performance of the pad, which will give less bite from the pad than the larger leading 4 pot piston. You will get a better performance from a 6 pot caliper with properly stepped differential pistons. The equivalent D2 6 pot caliper has larger piston surface area and a larger leading piston than the 8 pot K sport, so gives better initial bite and more brake force for the same pedal pressure.

AP 6 pots have better differential piston sizing than both the K sport and D2, with 3 piston sizes in use to ensure the pressure on the pad is well matched to the requirement to provide less taper wear and give a better match to the required pressure increase as you move away from the leading edge of the pad, which is where all the work occurs. The D2 6 pot has 2 small and 4 large pistons per caliper, so the pressure required is less well distributed than the AP, but not too far away, the K sport has 4 small and 4 large pistons per caliper, which gives a less even pressure match across the pad length. This means the AP will give the better brake feel and modulation, with the D2 6 pot next, the K sport a bit further away.

With regards to piston surface area, pad surface and the total brake torque resulting from that, on a 330mm disk the D2 6 pot gives the most total brake torque, K sport next and then the AP 6 pot last. None of these give as much brake torque as a Brembo OEM caliper on a stock newage disk. Even a 356mm AP 6 pot kit gives less brake torque than an OEM Brembo setup. Where the AP, D2 and K sport win is in handling the elevated temperatures seen on track.

There are differences throughout the Subaru range with regards to the master cylinder bore size, and also pedal ratio, this will also influence the amount of force required at the pedal to give the required brake force. So a brake kit on a classic will work differently on a Newage STi, Newage WRX or Legacy. And we haven't touched on brake balance matching for the rears, or the way the ABS system will work when you change that balance.

 

Not you aswell mate. Fudgey please read my very first post on this thread and also read the very first post on my other thread 'how bigs too big' I havent asked the same questions mate

 

It made me laugh too yes i saw the ap's but im not after buying at moment cheers. Im hearing good things on brembo with pf discs. Shame I had gold brembo drilled discs & pf pads.it wasnt a good combo and ruined discs

 

I never asked anyone to find anything,sorry. only to answer simple questions