Fat Boy

yeah good point Banny - forgot to mention that ( and I put one on my P1 too )

jbaker21

2003 v limited sti jdm import for sale if your after something like this??

Koose

Wow, well i did a search for the differences in P1 and Type R, and my limited conclusion is:

Type R for the drivers seem intelligent and have a sense of humour. (with the exception of a couple of very decent P1 chaps who hold logical and intelligent opinions in this thread.

P1 for a duct intake


A local farmers son was bought a P1 for his 21st birthday, against all ods its still around. He says its ahead of the 22b in terms of machinery and rarity.

TurboFreak

I like the idea of the P1 becoming rarer each year, I think only 400 odd survive out of the 1000 produced, so prices will rise.
How many type R were made?

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Yeah but you can still import a Type r that will have pretty much zero rust, there won't be many P1's that will be in that sort of condition.

At the end of the day as I said in an earlier post, buy on condition, when I bought my Type r 7/8 yrs ago a similar P1 was £10/12k my Type r was £7k so obviously that influenced my decision even though I could have bought either, I chose the Type r for the DCCD and it was for track/sprints, after a bit more research I went for the V3.

TurboFreak

My P1 doesn't have any rust issues apart from one large scab on a rear wheel arch which I intend to sort out very soon, car looks pretty original as well as far as paint and bodywork go so maybe I have just been lucky?
Ref the DCCD, mine also has this fitted along with 6 pot calipers which I think was another 'issue' as the P1 brakes were deemed not as good as the type R.
So for me I have the perfect scooby.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Which is the point i'm making, that "Large Scab" you will find means that half the inner wing has gone.

Like I said there is bugger all in it and it's horses for courses, as long as your happy with your car that's all that matters.

L.J.F

iTrader: (31)

The GC8 RA would be the better option if looking at a Import Impreza especially if it's going to see some track action!

TurboFreak

Ditch.. you wrongly assume I do not know what i am looking at with car paintwork / bodywork then?

Qualified panel beater / sprayer for more years then I like to remember, own business, run bodyshop for national main dealer (Nissan) etc etc etc.

MattyB1983

iTrader: (51)

He's not implying you don't understand bodywork, but have you repaired many impreza rear arches ??
Its a known fact that when you can see rust on the outside of the arch then its far worse underneath, and no doubt if the arch is showing rust then the sills will be in a similar state.
You said your car doesn't have any rust issues other than a large scab on the rear arch, with imprezas that is more often than not a large rust issue.
Do a search, theres plenty of threads with pics etc, I even did a thread myself with my own findings on my 'mint' impreza.

Ditch just pointed out that its very unlikely to find a UK model impreza that doesn't have corrosion issues.

TurboFreak

Thanks for advise and opinions, I do value them.
I just find it difficult to understand how you and Ditch can be so insistant my car, which I have inspected, has a rust problem which clearly it hasn't got.
But that's just me with 40 years experience as a fully apprentice served qualified panel beater, probably repaired damaged vehicles you wouldn't have thought possible.
I am restoring a split screen '54 moggy minor at the moment, now if you want to talk rust.......

allsop83

iTrader: (9)

It's been done to death and no car is 'better' than the other. They are different in minor ways but that's about it.

I owned a 22B and a P1 at the same time and preferred the P1 - they were the keys I grabbed more often than not.

Quicker and more comfortable over the bumpy sh1tty back roads I like to blatt up and down in my area. 22B was too stiff and crashy for my liking.

It's a matter of driving experience- some like really hardcore, some like a bit more civilised. I am now in a 5 series Beemer which tells you which driving style I have fallen into these days.

Horses for courses. Same engine, same power, give or take on 'fastest' or whatever. Both will put a smile on your face and outrun 95% of everything else you see on the roads.

What does it 'really' matter.....?

It just seems a lot of 'one-upmanship' by whoever owns what car most of the time. I appreciate both.

P1WOC has had a few bad eggs over the years but the core of the group is great- very helpful and knowledgeable and understandably fond of their respective cars. It is an enthusiast club- these guys care about their cars.

You wouldn't pick your kid up from nursery and tell another Dad his kid is ugly/mine is better.....so don't do it in car enthusiast forums. Have some respect.

Koose

Ahhh..so thats why the other parents give me nasty looks!

L.J.F

iTrader: (31)

The bag of Haribo you carry around is the reason for the strange looks from parents

MattyB1983

iTrader: (51)

But even with 40 years experience you can't see whats inside the arch can you, all you can see is whats going on with the outer skin

It does have a rusty rear arch so yes, it does have a rust problem, just like every other uk classic impreza. Its no big deal fella, chill out.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

I wasn't assuming anything about you, don't get your knickers in a twist it was just some friendly information/advice, as mattyb said it's VERY well documented what gets found under a couple of 2p sized rust patches on UK impreza rear arches.

Get some pics of your moggy up.

MattyB1983

iTrader: (51)

My very own classic had a tiny little scab on the rear arch, (and I do mean tiny) after a little investigation we found this....

tubbytommy

iTrader: (20)

wrx with ppp everytime

TurboFreak

My point is I do not understand how anyone can assume or indeed say what rust problem MY car has, considering I obviously know what I am looking for when I inspected it.
I do however accept it may be perforatedt when I grind the scab back, and if it's perforated then I will put a small plate in, but think it strange that guys on here insist it must be a lot worse because it's a P1.

Car is in workshop for last 6 weeks trying to sort out running problem, new MAF, Leads, Plugs, Coilpack and just about to fit new Lamda sensor.
I intended to do paintwork in spring, but am tempted to photo the scab, grind it back to prove a point.

stuart148

iTrader: (12)

get it done a prove them wrong

;-)

stuart148

iTrader: (12)

can you do it tonight :-)
bet you can't


so not only as your p1 got rust it's not running right
:-(
well at least the engine ain't gone pop ;-)

TurboFreak

was going to put some moggy photos up but can not see any options?

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

By ek fella you don't need to take it all as an insult to your knowledge or your car, take a chill pill and a couple of bevvys, come back when your in a better mood.

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

From the outside my Type R arches don't look too bad. But when I looked it over with a view to buying it i saw a small bubble on the outside and then viewed down from the boot into the top of the arch and it looks worse from that angle.
Judging by some of the pictures I've seen on here with mild rusting on the outside to severe rusting inside I'd say any sign on the outside can't be good inside.

As said though, chuck some pictures up by registering with photobucket.

www.photobucket.co.uk.

TurboFreak

Unfortunately engine 'went pop' after about 2 months of buying car (rear shell siezed), it took another 3 months to find and fit a good engine.

Engine fitted had problem on hot idle, it is eratic (hunting), seem like an air leak issue, but problem finding it. A guy on P1 owners club reckons it could be the hose to turbo, he had same idle problem and it was a split under the hose clip.

Then 2 months ago it started having a misfire, which I am still trying to sort out.

I do like the car, it's great to drive when it's working, but owned for 1 year now and off the road for nearly half of it

MattyB1983

iTrader: (51)

Jesus fella, chill out.
The only point being made is that 99% of the time the rust on the rear arch is far worse than it appears. Not just on P1's, on any classic impreza !!!!! And the UK cars usually suffer far more with rust that is all.
It does however sound as if you've got more pressing matters, get it running right before you worry about how it looks hey

MattyB1983

iTrader: (51)

Im not that clued up on P1's but did they not have a type r ecu hence why they suffered with engine problems given the fuel that was used in them here ??

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Stick a thread up in General technical explaining the problem and what you've tried so far.

Sounds like it could also be maf related, sorry just read you changed the maf, what about the idle control valve?

TurboFreak

well one thing we do agree on, get it running right first.

I am chilled about the rust thing, and my knickers are not in a twist, just trying to get a point over.

RUST.. yes it's a 4 letter word, and scares the average car owner, but for me is no problem, certainly nothing to worry about on my P1, even if it was as big a problem as you guys on here like to think it's really no concern because it's what I have been doing for 40 years

stuart148

iTrader: (12)

you should of bought a type r mate ;-)




only joking hope you sort it ;-)