Martin2005

Yeah they might get close to winning a seat

RA Dunk

I bet they do better than you might think.

chocolate_o_brian

iTrader: (22)

The problem being the guys who vote UKIP who may have voted Conservative will possibly help the lefties of Labour and that ******** Millipede into power.

I can't see any lefties voting for UKIP so the votes would come from the right. Could you imagine the damage (even for the Cameron detractors) a socialist/union back Labour Party would do currently?

I'll openly admit I'm not as knowledgable as many on here regards politics but I can't help but NOT trust socialists with a budget

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Andy, I like you, I really do, but please stop calling the curent Labour Party socialists.... they are anything but!

BTW I am a 'lefty' and I am voting UKIP for two reasons:

1) I get the impression Farage believes what he says is right for the country rather than right for his career.... unlike the other parties!

2) I think the EU has run its course, it was a political experiment that has gone very badly wrong. When the likes of the Ukraine are being considered as a potential member then I think we have a case of the lunatics taking over the asylum! Time to get out!

RA Dunk

I think UKIP are the only party with a difference, every other party seems to have the same policies, EU this EU that, green this green that.

Most people don't want to be in the EU and most are fed up of having this green nonsense rammed down our throats and taxed to death on it.

Martin2005

I 'think' they'll actually do quite well in share of the vote terms, but that is highly unlikely to translate into any seats

Martin2005

The only real difference UKIP offer is that they are quite happy to play on your fears. And by the looks of it, they are doing a fine job.

What are you so afraid of?

Martin2005

Thanks to UKIP and the scare media we have a public so hopeless misinformed that they will believe pretty much anything fed to them.

Look at this very recent IPSOS poll...

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Ah I see Cameron's little helper has arrived

People are thick Martin, where's the surprise?

RA Dunk

You lot and you're EU nonsense.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

No Martin, it's not about playing on people's fears. It's about three main parties that have been continually found wanting and are happy to keep their European gravy train rolling and a corrupt political experiment called the EU that is failing yet still makes a lot of the laws of our land, that's what it's about.

I think a lot of people in the UK have had enough of it. I know I have and I used to be fairly pro Europe! I see it likke this ... let's take immigration - I am not anti immigraton, but I do think we should have the right to decide who does and does not enter or leave our country. It took nearly a decade to remove Qatada mainly becuase of the EU and our spineless politicians. It's not right and it needs to stop!

That is why people will vote for UKIP and I hope it will be a much bigger vote than people think! Cameron, Miliband and Clegg need a good hard metaphorical kick in the *****!

hodgy0_2

i read a pretty frank interview with Godfrey Bloom over the weekend - he was not very flattering over Nigel's role in UKIP

and firmly believes that when push come to shove Nigel will do a deal with Cameron that will see him with a seat in the Lords after the next election

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

His opinion wouldn't be clouded by him being removed from the party by Farage would it? Just a thought!

RA Dunk

That wouldent surprise me in the slightest which would just show up our modern day politicians for what they are, lying, corrupt, selfish pigs who are only out for themselves.

We will wait and see though.

hodgy0_2

very possibly, but he made the distinction in the interview between his view of Nigel as a friend (which has said he still is - and had recently had a pint with him)

and as a "politician" and leader of UKIP

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Well as Dunk says we will see. It will just make him like all the others so would be no great surprise. The difference is we don't know about Farage yet whereas we do know that the other parties are full of lying greedy career politicians!

Personally I either vote for UKIP or don't vote, those are my choices!

Chip

This obviously doesn't take into account the benefits paid out to those UK workers who have lost their jobs to immigrants though does it. A factory near here laid off all of the staff on two lines (80 people) only to take on workers rather than employees a few weeks later on the same lines.

Over 80% of those Eastern European and work through agencies on no hours contracts.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

That the government you support actively promotes

Chip

Maybe so, doesn't alter the fact that the figures are bollox though does it.

Merry xmas to you and your partner Chris

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Depends if you believe in a free market or protecting jobs for Brtish workers! Neither the Tories nor Labour have been very interested in the latter in recent years.

Merry Christmas to you and yours too

chocolate_o_brian

iTrader: (22)

Apologies Chris, but we'll have to agree to disagree.

In my humble opinion (based on what I've read, watched etc - not from the rags anyway), I'm still led to believe that they are ruled by the unions and do-gooders.

Probably biased as I'm on the other side of the political scale but there you go

Chip

Champagne socialists

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Influenced rather than ruled by I would say.

But my point stands. If you read a definition of socialism and then look at the modern Labour Party manifesto there is very little in it that could be described as socialist.

Dingdongler

Tackle the issue though please Paul?

You seem to believe (and you may be right) that immigration on the whole is of economic benefit and are happy with the free movement of people.

If my figures are correct (ie it takes £10k per year to educate a child) would you still hold this belief?

Would you think most recent EU migrant couples with two children contribute more than £20k a year in tax?

Thanks

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

What really boils my p!ss is that all the other EC states do exactly as they want and two fingers to the EC, the ECHR etc etc.

We are the only weak, spineless country out there........

neil-h

The problem with the free market is that it is very difficult to truly impliment. A wonderful idea in principal but when each member country is fiddling it to suit there own means, doomed to fail.

Realistically going all 'British jobs for British workers' is equally doomed, realistically the UK no longer has the skills base to really pull this off. That and protectionism to that extent will only ever really be detrimental. The real artform is in striking the right balance and standing up to the EU for the right things.

As for Farage, personally I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be just as bad as the rest (if voted into power).

Dirk Diggler 75

The way it's going there's gonna be a hand car wash on every street corner ...

Chip

Yes but think of all the extra revenue from tax that would generate

Dirk Diggler 75

Yes, all those three pounds will soon add up ....

Martin2005

I know this is a popular mantra of yours, but do you have any specifics to point to?

Last time I checked it was the UK that had a monopoly on 'opt-outs'