Best Future Classic?
11 January 2014, 02:49 AM
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11 January 2014, 04:20 AM
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Prodrive helped develop how many cars? P1 eh P2 oh yeah that was never completed.
All you have to do is watch the price of anything related to Prodrive and Subaru sell for mega money. A mint P1 with all the extras is worth £10k and a rough as P1 £4k pretty much the same as type r's
I don't doubt that type r's will be a classic and good standard limited cars may be worth good money in years to come because people like ourselves will want to buy them.
I strangely own a P1 and a type r. There is thousands of type r's in our country and 10s of thousands type r's world wide. There are 600 P1s and Prodrive only ever help develop one car.
It will be worth more in the way a MK2 escort Mexico or RS2000 is worth more than a bog standard MK2 escort.
And don't say "A P1 is just a watered down type r" as that's boring as..............
11 January 2014, 06:17 AM
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131 Supermirafiori 1600TC - 96bhp, RWD. 
(The 132 was its boring replacement).
My first own car. In Metallic Blue. Bloody loved it. Fond memories.
However, I always hankered after the Mirafiori Sport 2000TC (115bhp, with the twin round headlights and cheesegrater grille).
(The 132 was its boring replacement).My first own car. In Metallic Blue. Bloody loved it. Fond memories.
However, I always hankered after the Mirafiori Sport 2000TC (115bhp, with the twin round headlights and cheesegrater grille).
That's the one I was talking about a mate had one and it was a cracking car, great sound and went like stink for the time, which was almost 30yrs ago, fancied himself as a bit of a driver, ran out of talent and wrapped it round one of those really big lamp posts, would have killed him had it not been full of rust and pushed the drivers seat through the floor.
the fire brigade had to leave the bottom part of the lamp post with the car as it was wrapped around it half way up the bonnet.I used to love the little extra slide out smoked plastic bits on the sun visors.
11 January 2014, 06:24 AM
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Everybody is entitled to there opinion.
Prodrive helped develop how many cars? P1 eh P2 oh yeah that was never completed.
All you have to do is watch the price of anything related to Prodrive and Subaru sell for mega money. A mint P1 with all the extras is worth £10k and a rough as P1 £4k pretty much the same as type r's
I don't doubt that type r's will be a classic and good standard limited cars may be worth good money in years to come because people like ourselves will want to buy them.
I strangely own a P1 and a type r. There is thousands of type r's in our country and 10s of thousands type r's world wide. There are 600 P1s and Prodrive only ever help develop one car.
It will be worth more in the way a MK2 escort Mexico or RS2000 is worth more than a bog standard MK2 escort.
And don't say "A P1 is just a watered down type r" as that's boring as..............
Prodrive helped develop how many cars? P1 eh P2 oh yeah that was never completed.
All you have to do is watch the price of anything related to Prodrive and Subaru sell for mega money. A mint P1 with all the extras is worth £10k and a rough as P1 £4k pretty much the same as type r's
I don't doubt that type r's will be a classic and good standard limited cars may be worth good money in years to come because people like ourselves will want to buy them.
I strangely own a P1 and a type r. There is thousands of type r's in our country and 10s of thousands type r's world wide. There are 600 P1s and Prodrive only ever help develop one car.
It will be worth more in the way a MK2 escort Mexico or RS2000 is worth more than a bog standard MK2 escort.
And don't say "A P1 is just a watered down type r" as that's boring as..............
I don't think there will be quite as many Type R's left in a few years at the rate which they are getting bent and broken, also it is like you say spankers of either command good money, but finding one is a different story for both are few and far between.
11 January 2014, 07:28 AM
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Yeah but IMO true classics are cars that command prices way above their original price and way above other similar cars of the time. Sure cars like Mk1 Astra GTEs may be fetching £5K, but it's hardly serious investment fodder is it?
Look at cars like the Aston Martin DB5 - cost the same as an E Type (which is a classic itself anyway with Series 1s going for £80K) yet worth way more than that now.... £600K for a mint one.
In many years time the 22B will be the car that people pay a massive premium for, other Impreza models may fetch OK money and still be loved by fans of the marque, but the only one with any serious investment potential is the 22B!
Look at cars like the Aston Martin DB5 - cost the same as an E Type (which is a classic itself anyway with Series 1s going for £80K) yet worth way more than that now.... £600K for a mint one.
In many years time the 22B will be the car that people pay a massive premium for, other Impreza models may fetch OK money and still be loved by fans of the marque, but the only one with any serious investment potential is the 22B!
Which is why I have a V3 STI Type R 555 with 74k on the clock which IS low for a 17yr old car that's been driven regularly and not a 22b in a bubble somewhere, I want to enjoy mine and there's no way i'd be able to with a mint 22b, I'd **** myself every time I went out in it.
11 January 2014, 12:04 PM
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Agreed, and as per title best future classic 22b wins hands down, but they are still less money now than when they were new and still not on the radar of the big money boys, I doubt they will be £40/50k for sometime yet and even then it will only be the odd one that sells for that kind of money with 10,000 miles on the clock and bog standard, lets also not forget the initial investment cost for the 22b @circa £30k, in the next 10yrs that will rise to circa £40k or even £50k for an exceptional one and a £9/10k Type R / RA / P1 will be circa £20k so horses for courses at the end of the day, nicely modded ones are already fetching £15k, few and far between but it does happen.
Which is why I have a V3 STI Type R 555 with 74k on the clock which IS low for a 17yr old car that's been driven regularly and not a 22b in a bubble somewhere, I want to enjoy mine and there's no way i'd be able to with a mint 22b, I'd **** myself every time I went out in it.
Which is why I have a V3 STI Type R 555 with 74k on the clock which IS low for a 17yr old car that's been driven regularly and not a 22b in a bubble somewhere, I want to enjoy mine and there's no way i'd be able to with a mint 22b, I'd **** myself every time I went out in it.
Despite my pleas my father walked away as felt it was too much risk for a car that no one had much idea where the values were going. I don't claim to know better than him as to what way prices would go, but I just thought it was a cool car and at 14 years old I wanted him to buy a cool car.
Anyway if he had bought it today it would be worth around £150K
11 January 2014, 01:30 PM
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Yes it will take time as it does with all classics. I remember looking at a Jaguar XK120 DHC with my father in 1979. It was in good condition with a full bodywork restore, but needed finishing off to concours standard. The amount of work required at 1979 prices was probably about £3-4K in bits and labour (new roof, upholstery refurb, re-chrome, engine out and clean/paint etc. The car was being sold for £3.5K which was a lot of money then. Despite my pleas my father walked away as felt it was too much risk for a car that no one had much idea where the values were going. I don't claim to know better than him as to what way prices would go, but I just thought it was a cool car and at 14 years old I wanted him to buy a cool car. Anyway if he had bought it today it would be worth around £150K
At this rate, everyone starting to cotton wool their impreza's there will be more supply than demand then I'm afraid we'd lose out to our Evo cousins.
As for there being thousands of type r's in the UK I think a registry should be started as I highly doubt it. There must be a way of doing it from the VIN?
11 January 2014, 01:34 PM
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That's the one I was talking about a mate had one and it was a cracking car, great sound and went like stink for the time, which was almost 30yrs ago, fancied himself as a bit of a driver, ran out of talent and wrapped it round one of those really big lamp posts, would have killed him had it not been full of rust and pushed the drivers seat through the floor.
the fire brigade had to leave the bottom part of the lamp post with the car as it was wrapped around it half way up the bonnet.I used to love the little extra slide out smoked plastic bits on the sun visors.
What about the fantastic Alcantara seats and the gearstick coming out at the weird angle, Civic style!
And the chocolate brown dash, gearstick, etc. I shagged a bottom end when I thought it'd be a good idea to take on a 2.8i Capri in a traffic light grand prix.
As he was blasting away, to try to catch him, I went from 2nd to 1st...... Quite deliberately! WTF was I thinking; I had no idea they had a V6 and 160bhp! I was only 19 and had been driving for less than a year lol.Bottom end got fixed.
Then, weirdly enough, I also killed the car in a similar way to you... Late one awful night, I accidentally lost the rear end, aquaplaned and crashed through wire fencing and into a concrete hut. The front end was screwed and the windscreen out lol. I don't know how, but managed to limp it back from Colchester to Braintree... Well, it eventually conked out on the brow of a hill on the A120, in Coggeshall. Overheated. It was hilarious, as it was raining like a ****, and just before the engine expired, I went through a huge puddle and we all (my gf, her mate and my mate lol) got soaked as it came through said 'windscreen', in a comedy-style, Last Of The Summer Wine-like manner.
The scene!This was all way back in 1988.
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11 January 2014, 02:10 PM
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Interesting thread.
The op mentioned escorts and mini coopers.
Note - 'escorts' and 'mini-coopers'.
How many variants of each were made ie. how much do they 'fight' against their predecessors, peers and descendents etc?
Anyone counted how many scooby models have been mentioned in this thread?
That could be one thing that prevents any Subaru achieving 'classic' status among the Subaru community, let alone the wider population.
The other is the Subaru reputation itself (and I'm not being nasty).
Jaguar, BMW etc. = 'refinement', 'engineering', 'quality' etc. etc. to any person on the street.
To that same person Subaru possibly = 'raw', 'racing', 'rough & ready'.
Until someone can define 'classic' in a way everyone understands and accepts then how can any car achieve that status?
Someone pick a car that's a 'classic' - go on then, a 22B (we'll keep to our own house).
Now, describe why you (anyone) thinks it is.
I wouldn't be surprised if others would then find more models that fitted the criteria.
The op mentioned escorts and mini coopers.
Note - 'escorts' and 'mini-coopers'.
How many variants of each were made ie. how much do they 'fight' against their predecessors, peers and descendents etc?
Anyone counted how many scooby models have been mentioned in this thread?
That could be one thing that prevents any Subaru achieving 'classic' status among the Subaru community, let alone the wider population.
The other is the Subaru reputation itself (and I'm not being nasty).
Jaguar, BMW etc. = 'refinement', 'engineering', 'quality' etc. etc. to any person on the street.
To that same person Subaru possibly = 'raw', 'racing', 'rough & ready'.
Until someone can define 'classic' in a way everyone understands and accepts then how can any car achieve that status?
Someone pick a car that's a 'classic' - go on then, a 22B (we'll keep to our own house).
Now, describe why you (anyone) thinks it is.
I wouldn't be surprised if others would then find more models that fitted the criteria.
11 January 2014, 03:09 PM
#102
I think P1 will continue to be the pick of the classics exc 22b, the general motoring press play a part in this and most reviews of Subaru's l have read normally state the P1 is the best of the range - l think this will have more bearing than individual enthusiasts opinions.
That said am not sure if any of the range will really return big money, l saw a Ford Capri Brooklands fetch over 15k at an auction before Xmas!!
That said am not sure if any of the range will really return big money, l saw a Ford Capri Brooklands fetch over 15k at an auction before Xmas!!
11 January 2014, 04:08 PM
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This: http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...-rs500/1837218
I'd like to see who'd rather a 22B or an RS500?
I'd like to see who'd rather a 22B or an RS500?
11 January 2014, 04:55 PM
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In 20 years when electric cars rule, it'll be cool to own any of our fume spewing gas guzzlers. That's why they'll all be classics.
11 January 2014, 08:47 PM
#107
All the classics will become collectors items and fetch sensible money with the 22B/p1 big money
So keep on breaking up the scoobies for more money then they are worth complete which will make the good ones more rare
And hopefully the Evilbay scoobies will be sold to chavs who'd wont have the brains to keep them and will continue to ruin them
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