millband

This has got me thinking about my car and why I bought/love it (look out, essay coming up ) -

1) Costs. Lost 2k in 18 months. Would have been similar/more for any other model R-reg car that cost 13k last year IMHO. Running costs to be expected really. Cheaper cars with similar performance (Rover 620ti anyone?) tend to be bags-of-nails needing much more attention, while more expensive cars are ... more expensive

2) Reliability. Mmmm... much more hassle than I expected compared with my previous "normal" cars , but then the dealer could not be more helpful and the Subaru warranty was excellent. At the end of the day, this car is seriously tuned compared to the average shopping trolley, so what do you expect?

3) Performance. Wow! Love it. I know there *are* faster cars, but that's not the only part of the package is it?

4) Practicality. I love the fact that my wagon can carry all my gear, put kayaks on the roof, drive across deep mud and snow, and *still* be a complete blast on the twisty bits. Can't do all that as well for the price anywhere else...

5) Image. The car is *cool*. Not in-your-face, not yuppie w*nker, not max power, just lots of cred without upsetting Granny either. Do other BMW drivers wave to you in a 3-series? Read Autocar this week. How many times does the word "Impreza" appear without including adverts? (clue: lots!)

At the end of the day, buying a car is pretty personal decision and you can't expect everyone to agree with you 100%. But if enough people agree with you to support a BBS like this, you can't be 100% wrong either.

Steve

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pslewis

Ian E - you are quite right, thats what the thread said - sorry mate

The thread I THOUGHT I was on was here:-

spudgun

is your car a my00 millband? if not, your replying in the wrong topic
lost 2k in 18months? ha!ha! ask any my00 owner here how much their car is worth now....hmmm, lost more than 2k i can tell you.
could the reason be that the my00 arent that good a year for mark 1 impreza due to funds going to wrx production?? just a guess i spose. personally, i love scoobys, pound for pound theyre an absolute bargain, ive never said otherwise. i'm just saying the my00 i owned was a bag of sh1te.

Neil Barnes

Ian E

You ask pete to list his problems he has had with his MY00. Here are the problems I've had.

1. Hesitation (Subaru could not or would not fix it. After 1 year of complaining, they said it is a characteristic of the car, if so, yours must do as well.)

2. Clutch judder ( For so say performance car what a load of c**p. Replaced once, problem back within weeks. Couldn't be bothered to complain anymore.)

3. Body parts falling off, and being billed for replacements.

I personally think that IM warranty consists of keep them waiting and they might go away.

I now changed the car for a P1, which seems to be much better in all aspects. Is this because, this car is basically a Japanese import and they make them better for the Japanese market and send the second rate to
U.K

Neil.

millband

Spudgun - oops you're right: excluded again 'cos I'm poor

I gues I just needed to get it off my chest. And for your info, us poor MY97 owners have surging (only when cold and constant throttle - ie not often) and piston slap (fixed under warranty) to include among the squeaks and rattles, so we're just as hard done by!

Steve

pslewis

I find some Scoobie owners so in love with their cars that they accept all their failings ... thats all well and good.

I, personally, cannot understand statements, like:-

Its a performance car, you have to accept 15 mpg - what absolute bollox - my calibra returned 35 mpg day in day out.

Its a performance car and it makes me smile sometimes therefore I cannot see that hesitating at 3000rpm is a problem - of course its a damn problem, smile or not!!

Its a performance car and its clutch judders when cold - but thats not a problem to me I drive through it - well, you shouldnt bl00dy well have to drive through ANY problem

Its a performance car at £22K - its sold so cheap that of course it rattles like a bag of tacks, what do you expect? - well, I for one, expect £22K of my own money to go towards building me a quality car, thanks you for asking!!

AND if it all goes wrong .....

I expect my £22K to have bought me a seat at the great Subaru Warranty table of peaceful customers!

Please stop getting me going!!

Pete

Ian E

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Pete,

Just read the thread. Hope you get your differences sorted out with IM.

Neil,

Heard of MY2000s with hesitation and clutch judder but whats this about body parts falling off? - tell me more!

Cheers,

Ian.


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bob

Thought I might come in here, as I’m one who is not happy with the MY00.
The mechanic told me at my dealers that I would just have to live with the hesitation, as they could do nothing about it. But I got over the hesitation by fitting the link. I had the Prodrive Brake package and lost a set of wheels because of that.
My rear seat had the stitching come apart and I was told this was not covered. That was the final straw. I booked in to have my extras removed and when they asked me why I asked for a price on my car. My dealer and others ask me what I will buy next but I have nothing in mind I just got pissed off with this car. My MY98 was a much better car which I enjoyed driving. This MY00 sits in my garage most days what’s the point in keeping it. I’m not saying that all MY00’s are crap but this one is a dog.
ah Spudgun Bag Of Sh!te is my saying


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Gastro

all very good points........
But spudgun, how much do you think your BMW will fetch if you sell it in 2 years.
BMW depreciation......mmmmmm thats a good one - you may be surprised.

Gastro

Tal

Yes Nick that is exactly why I started this thread it appears that some of you have had problems with your MY00 and I feel very sorry for you but to say a MY98 is a 'MUCH' better car just does not compute sorry but it aint

Tal

Diablo

Seems simple to me.

Of course a 330 ci sport is a better "all round" car than a uk scoob. Faced with "here sir, which would you like - for free", I'd probably take the BMW.

But then it costs half as much again and bloody well should be good at the price.

I'm lucky in that my scoob is on a company lease, although my company's contribution doesn't cover all the cost.

For the same monthly cost I could have got a 316 saloon or for £40 a month more a 318ci. Hmm....doesn't take much to figure why I went for the Scoob, does it?.

But then again, mine is a MY99.

D

Chins

Spudgun

Four main things I would have issue in your argument.

1. Yes you do have a good BMW dealer, but your lucky I dont. My Subaru's dealership is friendlier, as clean and new, will contact me with news rather than me chasing them. If I want a test drive they throw me the keys and dont accompany me. I'm buying the M3 and they are making feel greatfull for a 1 hour test drive - which they said they would call me on yesterday, but didnt. The other dealers I visited before placing my order were equally arrogant when I went in. Yes I get a loan car from the Subaru dealer, yes the car is spotless and yes the labour rates are cheaper.

There are some poor Subaru dealerships, and there are poor BMW dealers.

2. Comparision - you are comparing your £31,000 car against a £21,000 car. You to have added extras to the base car which lose money equaly quickly. Those Xenon's will add £150 max to the resale. Would you really of been as happy if you had spent £20k on a 3 series. To your spec it would of been a 318.

3. Add on extras - the PPP I would agree with you on, but if like a sane person (which we both are not) you had kept the car for longer, then the pain wouldnt of been as great. Try asking the BMW dealer to buy back the 330 three weeks afterwards and see what he would give. You must of experienced that with the S4. I asked and Listers after 3 weeks in mine, and they refused to give me an offer. You didnt have to add the PPP. What you might want to think is at least IM offer power upgrades with warranty. Please name any other mainstream manufaturer that lets you do this ?. If you want more poke out of your 330 ?, its expensive and there is no dealer warranty.

4. Resale of a MY00 - most people when they bought the car, could of used a PCP and had a 3 year GFV of about 50%. This would have meant a loss of £10,500 in 3 years maximum, which is pretty damn good.


I would agree that out of the 5 Scoobies Ive owned the MY00 was my least favourite. The surge was annoying, but soon went. All the others I remember with fonder memories

Jonathan

wilf

I own a MY00. It has given me no probs whatsoever. Quality is no different to my MY 98. No surge no judder its run fine from Day 1. My previous MY98 however did suffer clutch judder and developed piston failure.

All in all I reckon this quality debate about the MY00 is in my case fictitious.

Stop chelping and enjoy your cars.

wilf

I own a MY00. It has given me no probs whatsoever. Quality is no different to my MY 98. No surge no judder its run fine from Day 1. My previous MY98 however did suffer clutch judder and developed piston failure.

All in all I reckon this quality debate about the MY00 is in my case fictitious.

Stop chelping and enjoy your cars.

Nick B

I hate to tempt providence, but my MY00 (UK) has been the most reliable car I've ever owned, even when I take account of the Clutch Judder, and my dealer has been superb, and I even got a discount when I bought it.

Its outstanding value and fun for the money.

Having said that, this forum is a good place to see what problems can occur, and people can benefit from others experiences. Problems are bound to be discussed more than the good points, but lets not get it out of perspective.

Hoppy

pslewis/spudgun, your posts are tedious and boring. They are also thinly disguised and small minded retribution, as any serious point to be made was done emphatically last week.

Your continued ranting is just selfish and malicious abuse of the ScoobyNet BBS for which others have put their necks on the line to maintain.

Please go and bully someone else. And enjoy your motoring, whatever the badge.

Best regards,

Richard.

KF

Looks like a some guys got a friday afternoon MY00. Shame - It's my worst nightmare, however:

I guess, like a lot of people, I am more than happy with my MY00. 18k on the clock and not a missed beat. At all. Anywhere. It doesn't even rattle. The seals on the window are fine. There is no hesitation. I am in total control over how much petrol it burns (proportional to how hard you push the accelerator, see). The paint is only as bad as you would expect any car to be, given the state of our roads. Guess you could say I am happy with the car.

Dealers are like any other service. If they are crap tell them so, and go elsewhere. I did. Twice. Then I found Mill Lane. Guess you could say I am happy with the dealers.

If you paid UK price for your car and got rubbish warranty assistance, bummer. Could have saved the cash buying abroad.

If you assumed a hotted up japanese family saloon would be as complete a driving package as a top spec BMW, where the volume of cars sold dwarfs Subaru's, where the R&D budget is gargantuan, and components are shared across 32 or something models, most of which are priced at the top of the class, I guess you are finding out that you were wrong.

Those with genuine claims against Subaru, I do feel sorry for, but you have already seen that bitching on here achieves little, and compounds the problems that you are complaining about.

KF.

bob

So stop complaining about it and sale the thing.

Rajd

I also own a MY00 imported from Holland last September. Car developed a serious oil leak after 4,000 miles (cracked engine casing). Engine was replaced under warranty within a week of the problem being diagnosed. Not suffered the dreaded clutch judder or engine hesitation as yet.

I can't really see why people are comparing a MY00 to an M3. e.g.

MY00 from Holland ....... £14,000
New M3....................£38,000

So the M3 is a better car. So it should be, costing nearly three times as much as the scooby.

Raj

Rob Mo

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just had my 6 months service for my my00 wagon (@ 5200 miles)at scoobysport, I mentioned about a bit of clutch judder & until this thread had ignored the engine surges.
Pete suggested I should go to fully synth oil (silkolene) and I asked them to install an itg air filter.
although the car is garaged at night, obviously it still is at the same temperature in the mornings, I am happy to report that there is absolutely no re-occurance of the surges, and my gearchanging seems ok, occasionally get a bit of judder, but I guess ramming it into 4th from 6k revs isn't the best policy....
Maybe it's just co-incidental that the 'problems' have dissipated, but I like to think it's money well spent..

JBr

can i ask, is all that above what Pete calls kissing subarus ****?

James

pslewis

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Hoppy:
<B>pslewis/spudgun, your posts are tedious and boring. They are also thinly disguised and small minded retribution, as any serious point to be made was done emphatically last week.

Your continued ranting is just selfish and malicious abuse of the ScoobyNet BBS for which others have put their necks on the line to maintain.

Please go and bully someone else. And enjoy your motoring, whatever the badge.

Best regards,

Richard.[/quote]


With all due respect Hoppy - dont read it!! its that simple, or is even that a little hard for your brain to comprehend????

Plenty of other threads on which you can go without any comments by me on them - take a hint - go find one!!! (I DONT want to see your name around my posts again ok?)


Pete


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Boost II

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR> Mr J. Clarkson:
<B> Built by Germans, driven by Tossers.
[/quote]

Sorry, couldn't resist. No flame wars please

ScooBabe

I have an my00, mine also suffers with hesitation. They said there was a problem with the air intake, they cleaned it? and said the ecu had reset itself. It was perfect for 4 days but the problem has now returned - boo! Its going in for a service at the end of the week and I wonder whether to get an itg air filter fitted as well, but what is an itg air filter, and does anyone think I could negotiate on the price from my Subaru dealer as it would be done at the same time as the service? Hope its OK to have posted my last query here, dont Know whether I should have posted a new topic or not!....Thanks

spudgun

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Hoppy:
<B>pslewis/spudgun, your posts are tedious and boring. They are also thinly disguised and small minded retribution, as any serious point to be made was done emphatically last week.

Your continued ranting is just selfish and malicious abuse of the ScoobyNet BBS for which others have put their necks on the line to maintain.

Please go and bully someone else. And enjoy your motoring, whatever the badge.

Best regards,

Richard.[/quote]

dear hoppy
funny thing is, at least you remember me and petes posts. i for one cannot remember any of yours
the thread was about my00, and customer feedback. at no point did i resort to personal attacks on you or any one else. perhaps you prove the point that not all to55ers drive bmw's


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spudgun

just been re-reading the posts on this thread.it seems a lot of comments have deviated away from the original point, which is the my00. i aint picking on scoobys or bbs members at all. i'm simply responding in saying i dont think the my00 is a particularly good vintage thats all. if you dont like my comments, then fair enough, we'll have to agree to disagree. but then this would become hoppys 'snoozynet' where everyone can play it safe and never, no, never have anything BAD to say
look, it aint about beemers, or who has the better car. ive stated repeatedly now that my partner has a my95 ( till she gets the r33 ) and when she does, i will be off to buy a 5 door( green preferably). it will be a 95 model. what it wont be, is a my00 which cost 20k, and was frankly a dissapointment. i bought a my00 because i thought i'd be buying the best. the mark ones swangsong, and hopefully the final flourish as it were. what i got was a 20k car with problems, engine surge in particular. i cant be ar5ed to list the problems, whats the point? so instead of launching attacks on people like me and pete, why not offer an argument why your my00 is worth 20k, when a 2 year old model is FAR less?i'm not asking you to defend the scoob against another car, i already know its value for money. why is your my00 the best?
see, i'm trying to be constructive if i wasnt , i'd just be sat here typing that hoppy is a t1t, or something equally unpleasant. however, i wont, i'll happily listen to the arguments in a mature fashion, and then start typing..hoppy is a ...

spudgun

CHINS
try cooper bmw ipswich (tel.no.01473 212456 or email cooper.ipswich@imretail.co.uk). the guy you need to speak to is peter nowasad, or jonathan( cant remember his surname) who is the sales manager.
bmw or not, these people are decent, friendly, and they call you back. i dont know if its out of your way or not?

Rob Mo

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Scoobabe,

you have mail.

rob.

as not to hijack the thread

pslewis

Hey Spudgun - all we need is Scoobabe to say that she also thinks the MY00 is pants and watch all the opinions start changing!!

The weak bend in the breeze my friend! some are just complete t1ts (Hoppy!) - its up to us to balance the books as it were!!

I must say, again, that my MY00 is great - I can live with the hesitation and clutch judder - but the point is, should we HAVE to?

Pete

spudgun

know what yer mean pete! and your right , a new car shouldnt have problems that are then called a feature of the car. if i'd known about this feature, i would never have bought it, and happily bought an older model.