new 2015 STI. Would you buy ?
15 January 2014, 12:20 PM
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http://www.autotrader.co.uk/articles...-returnhttp://
Suggests the engine is a carry over from previous model !!! Surely MPG alone will kill it in the current market?
Suggests the engine is a carry over from previous model !!! Surely MPG alone will kill it in the current market?
The documentation I've read to date certainly indicates that they're using the 2.5 thing
15 January 2014, 12:23 PM
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I usually buy a new scoob once they are a year old but not sure I'll buy another after my current saloon. This is partly as I fancy a change as have had every model since the Hawk was released in 2006 but also as they have not moved on as fast as others with emissions, mpg etc.
For us its a family car and I have no real issues using it for the school run, tip runs and a blast now and again averaging from 18 around town to 35 on the motorway, but when you can get a CLA AMG at 355bhp, 4.6 0-60 and 40mpg then I think that may well suit the bill.
Obvioulsy new for new the CLA will be more expensive so I may have to buy a year older than I usually do and the CLA has still got to prove itself, but that I'll be keeping a close eye on.
After seeing the BRZ I was really hoping that externally the new STI was going to be a real change in direction for Subaru and the concept pics gave me a bit of hope, but for me the new model is just the next phase of the current STI design, I was more hoping that it was like Ford dropping the Escort and replacing it with the Focus.
Anyway, thats my tuppence worth and you'll probably see my profile pic change to a 2014 STI after all that..................
For us its a family car and I have no real issues using it for the school run, tip runs and a blast now and again averaging from 18 around town to 35 on the motorway, but when you can get a CLA AMG at 355bhp, 4.6 0-60 and 40mpg then I think that may well suit the bill.
Obvioulsy new for new the CLA will be more expensive so I may have to buy a year older than I usually do and the CLA has still got to prove itself, but that I'll be keeping a close eye on.
After seeing the BRZ I was really hoping that externally the new STI was going to be a real change in direction for Subaru and the concept pics gave me a bit of hope, but for me the new model is just the next phase of the current STI design, I was more hoping that it was like Ford dropping the Escort and replacing it with the Focus.
Anyway, thats my tuppence worth and you'll probably see my profile pic change to a 2014 STI after all that..................
15 January 2014, 12:23 PM
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A friend of mine purchased a 2 year old hatch from a dealer, it shat itself sometime after he got the PPP fitted (about 3 months I think)
I.M. would not honour the warranty, they said that the car was driven to destruction by the owner.
You could count on one hand the number of times that car might have hit the limiter under his ownership
15 January 2014, 01:09 PM
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I usually buy a new scoob once they are a year old but not sure I'll buy another after my current saloon. This is partly as I fancy a change as have had every model since the Hawk was released in 2006 but also as they have not moved on as fast as others with emissions, mpg etc.
For us its a family car and I have no real issues using it for the school run, tip runs and a blast now and again averaging from 18 around town to 35 on the motorway, but when you can get a CLA AMG at 355bhp, 4.6 0-60 and 40mpg then I think that may well suit the bill.
Obvioulsy new for new the CLA will be more expensive so I may have to buy a year older than I usually do and the CLA has still got to prove itself, but that I'll be keeping a close eye on.
After seeing the BRZ I was really hoping that externally the new STI was going to be a real change in direction for Subaru and the concept pics gave me a bit of hope, but for me the new model is just the next phase of the current STI design, I was more hoping that it was like Ford dropping the Escort and replacing it with the Focus.
Anyway, thats my tuppence worth and you'll probably see my profile pic change to a 2014 STI after all that..................
For us its a family car and I have no real issues using it for the school run, tip runs and a blast now and again averaging from 18 around town to 35 on the motorway, but when you can get a CLA AMG at 355bhp, 4.6 0-60 and 40mpg then I think that may well suit the bill.
Obvioulsy new for new the CLA will be more expensive so I may have to buy a year older than I usually do and the CLA has still got to prove itself, but that I'll be keeping a close eye on.
After seeing the BRZ I was really hoping that externally the new STI was going to be a real change in direction for Subaru and the concept pics gave me a bit of hope, but for me the new model is just the next phase of the current STI design, I was more hoping that it was like Ford dropping the Escort and replacing it with the Focus.
Anyway, thats my tuppence worth and you'll probably see my profile pic change to a 2014 STI after all that..................
15 January 2014, 01:14 PM
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Too right, thats why I want real world numbers, but as said its one of a few factors making me look elsewhere, always fancied an AMG but big V engines and a 1.5 mile school run does not make for pretty mpg.
15 January 2014, 01:22 PM
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The CLA is a bit pricey IMO however, but will be interesting to see what the secondhand values are like as it could be a secondhand bargain!
15 January 2014, 02:26 PM
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I cannot get my head around why they have stuck with the 2.5.
They have new technology in the 2.0 DIT, better emissions, mpg, response etc. Front mounted turbo as well! Surely this would pass emissions here?
So why is the new STi using essentially old hat tech? If I was going to buy one it would be the WRX 2.0 DIT..
They have new technology in the 2.0 DIT, better emissions, mpg, response etc. Front mounted turbo as well! Surely this would pass emissions here?
So why is the new STi using essentially old hat tech? If I was going to buy one it would be the WRX 2.0 DIT..
15 January 2014, 07:26 PM
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I think the new impreza wrx sti is a lovely looking car and 300 bhp is more than enough standard and if you want more then remap it 
I like my blob sti but if I had the cash then yes I would buy the new impreza sti
I like my blob sti but if I had the cash then yes I would buy the new impreza sti
16 January 2014, 10:19 AM
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No doubt it's a good looking car that will handle very well. But... it's the EJ25 of doom. The have a brand new 2.0DIT - there is no doubt in my mind that it should have been put in the STi.
For that, and that alone, given the opportunity to buy the STi - I wouldn't, as you know it will be unreliable and you know it's not Subaru's best.
For that, and that alone, given the opportunity to buy the STi - I wouldn't, as you know it will be unreliable and you know it's not Subaru's best.
16 January 2014, 10:53 AM
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I think it looks like a modded evo10...and I like it. I agree it would be nice to see at least 360ish as it will be heavy.
trouble is times have changed...the little scoob was a rally car and the road versions were light weight 4wd turbo nutters...they were fast lil cars...built with a purpose.
same with the evos....Subaru and Mitsubishi started building the cars for Mr Jones and they got heavy with no real power gains.
there will never be mental turbo rally holmogation cars...Mr jones wont like the harsh ride and wont buy he likes air bags not ic spray....
trouble is times have changed...the little scoob was a rally car and the road versions were light weight 4wd turbo nutters...they were fast lil cars...built with a purpose.
same with the evos....Subaru and Mitsubishi started building the cars for Mr Jones and they got heavy with no real power gains.
there will never be mental turbo rally holmogation cars...Mr jones wont like the harsh ride and wont buy he likes air bags not ic spray....
16 January 2014, 11:02 AM
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16 January 2014, 02:48 PM
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For the Impreza to be successful again:
1) The looks need to match the intent and the demographic; execs don't want this car; it's a tarty jap rice rocket for those of us who like em tarty and loud and it's at its best when it acknowledges and projects this
2) It must be demonstrably faster than the competition. If significantly cheaper Fords and the like can keep up then it needs more power ..... end of!
3) It must represent good value, 28k still pushing it IMHO
4) It needs motorsport credibility.
Without the above I fear it will just be an "also ran"
PS Subaru, please fix the 2.5. It's a thing of beauty when done properly - it's criminal that this engine has only been fully sorted and exploited by the tuners.
1) The looks need to match the intent and the demographic; execs don't want this car; it's a tarty jap rice rocket for those of us who like em tarty and loud and it's at its best when it acknowledges and projects this
2) It must be demonstrably faster than the competition. If significantly cheaper Fords and the like can keep up then it needs more power ..... end of!
3) It must represent good value, 28k still pushing it IMHO
4) It needs motorsport credibility.
Without the above I fear it will just be an "also ran"
PS Subaru, please fix the 2.5. It's a thing of beauty when done properly - it's criminal that this engine has only been fully sorted and exploited by the tuners.
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16 January 2014, 06:08 PM
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Now they have no motorsport cred and in real world performance terms are equaled by significantly cheaper hot hatches. The antithesis of what they once were, basically.
Central to Subaru's UK problems was a refusal to offer a car that had more bang for buck than the competition. A misguided quest to move the marque upmarket both in terms of style (and price) has furthered weakened the appeal of the marque and the removal of any sports cred (which some people will pay for) only compounded that. The final straw was turning on the customer and blaming a problem with the specification of the engines on the customer.
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16 January 2014, 11:01 PM
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It just looks totally wrong imo
The rear end from the side, the rear arches are just too boxy, looks like a plrius! The front arches dont flow and look wrong.
It needs wide deep dish alloys to pull off the rear arches.
The side profile looks alomstmbmw 3 series, the front end looks **** as said cross between evo and focus. Even the evo x looks a bit naff imo!
The rear end is over complicated and over all, id say bar the big spoiler its a bit plain!
Even if i did have the money to buy a brand new one, i wouldnt.
The rear end from the side, the rear arches are just too boxy, looks like a plrius! The front arches dont flow and look wrong.
It needs wide deep dish alloys to pull off the rear arches.
The side profile looks alomstmbmw 3 series, the front end looks **** as said cross between evo and focus. Even the evo x looks a bit naff imo!
The rear end is over complicated and over all, id say bar the big spoiler its a bit plain!
Even if i did have the money to buy a brand new one, i wouldnt.
16 January 2014, 11:44 PM
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Well Motorsport was what brought it to the attention of the general public in the first place; before that Subarus were quirky cars brought by farmers because they had AWD and were reliable. When they released the Impreza it benefited from the Halo effect of the rally version; even though we all know that the road and rally variants have pretty much only the shell in common
Now they have no motorsport cred and in real world performance terms are equaled by significantly cheaper hot hatches. The antithesis of what they once were, basically.
Now they have no motorsport cred and in real world performance terms are equaled by significantly cheaper hot hatches. The antithesis of what they once were, basically.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/david-...005400012.html
17 January 2014, 12:28 AM
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Actually Subaru do have a motorsport presence in one of their biggest markets, America, as our own David Higgins is current America rally champion for a third time.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/david-...005400012.html
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/david-...005400012.html
17 January 2014, 12:43 AM
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I like it and yes I would have one if I had the money, I bet the S207 will be interesting but then what do I know, I have a hatch STI 
I'm a Subaru fan, full stop. I've always liked the brand and the cars and will continue to buy them as long as they're building performance cars. I don't care that other cars are faster, or "better made". Subarus have something very few cars will ever have - character. That's why I'm on my second one now and will change to a newer one again later in life.
I'm a Subaru fan, full stop. I've always liked the brand and the cars and will continue to buy them as long as they're building performance cars. I don't care that other cars are faster, or "better made". Subarus have something very few cars will ever have - character. That's why I'm on my second one now and will change to a newer one again later in life.
17 January 2014, 08:54 AM
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I like it and yes I would have one if I had the money, I bet the S207 will be interesting but then what do I know, I have a hatch STI
I'm a Subaru fan, full stop. I've always liked the brand and the cars and will continue to buy them as long as they're building performance cars. I don't care that other cars are faster, or "better made". Subarus have something very few cars will ever have - character. That's why I'm on my second one now and will change to a newer one again later in life.
I'm a Subaru fan, full stop. I've always liked the brand and the cars and will continue to buy them as long as they're building performance cars. I don't care that other cars are faster, or "better made". Subarus have something very few cars will ever have - character. That's why I'm on my second one now and will change to a newer one again later in life.