Carnut

Nice to see you back John, some of the haters are back but maybe you can keep a bit of that magic going.

sorry not haters, just well experienced people that are trying to save us all and inform a multi million €. £. ¥. ₩ . $ company how to sell cars.

between me and you I actually think that they think they now what their talking about, shhhhh

urban

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Well fair play

Mangoletsi Subaru

Nope, that is absolutely NOT correct, see my previous post.

Mangoletsi Subaru

I totally agree with option 1 Chris

Mangoletsi Subaru

Absolutely correct Chris.

We know what the cost per car sold in Europe is over a rolling 5-year period, so we know roughly what to expect per car, and I don't think even fans of the 2.5 engine would believe what the actual figure is, let alone those how shall I say, aren't fans of the 2.5 engine.

If I was allowed to publish the stats I have, it would bring to an end the conversation about the so-called "2.5 engine problem", but sadly I can't. I'm sure if someone plys me with enough Budweiser at NBO, it may slip out

Actually no, don't do that, I have to drive 150 miles home afterwards

Mangoletsi Subaru

Hopefully answered that one now with my previous replies, if not, let me know guys.

terzoscooby

So now we have established it is a good car but there are other good cars out there, when is the next delivery? And when is the built in sat nav available?

Mangoletsi Subaru

My thoughts - I think the Japanese are starting to get there edge back. Not only in the new WRX STi, but the Honda Type R, and a few others coming back. I don't think the Germans will have it all to themselves for long.

Stopping now, before I get told off again

Mangoletsi Subaru

Cheers Chris, and no comment......

Mangoletsi Subaru

Built in Sat Nav already available, I'll send you the pic of one next week when it is here, it's just away having the engine done, cost is £1,150 inc. VAT.

A handful have just been released for November delivery, but I am sure they will probably all be gone by the end of the weekend.

renny

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You have indeed sir

Regarding the Sat Nav - I thought the cost was £990?

TonyBurns

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Chris,

The engine is a lemon, the rest of the car may be fine but if you have a larger than normal possibility that the engine will go pop, and its at the end of its life as engines go so we know all its weaknesses, like the pistons, the oil pick up tube, liners, gaskets etc, then its going to put people off, hence why I didn't go out and buy one, I am not going to risk 30k on a car that probably won't have the warranty honoured by I.M. (which has happened quite a few times with the 2.5ltr EJ257), so most people will want to wait for the DIT twin scroll 2ltr engine that will probably end up in this car for the 2015 model (this being the 2014 model).
From the reports you see of the new wrx, that engine is actually better in every way over the EJ257, better power delivery, more usable rev range, better fuel economy, probably lower tax brackets etc and that is what people want, a (hopefully) reliable engine as part of the package and not worrying about if's and maybe's and then you have I.M., they are not the company they use to be, they run on a skeleton staff nowerdays, parts are also an issue, you should have stocks in the UK but you don't, you have waiting times and that puts people off.
If you want parts then you expect them to be there the next day, not 3 months down the line, so all in all, if the "full" package doesn't change (and this isn't pointed at the dealers), then people wont buy it.

Tony

Carnut

I really do take on board everything you say and iam here for that very reason, to learn from people like your self that clearly have a greater knowledge than me.

The sticking point for me is when I do my little bit of research I see it differently. Take John from Mangoletsi for example, he has the hard facts and statistics for the engine failures at his disposal and he says its simply not the case.

There was a thread a little while back where a wheel on a new golf collapsed, never mind pistons, that could kill you. Then theres Mercedes who for years had one of the worst customer service around. If you look at the bigger picture then maybe the Germans will come out on top but Subaru aren't the only car firm to make mistakes.

The way I see it is people can come on to this thread and be positive which is contributing to a better future for Subaru or be negative which in no way does any good.

Just look at the work John is doing, if you go back to the start of this thread it was not looking that good. All you could read was the warranty it no good and it needs more power, well a few months down the line and we have it, and now John is talking about 400BHP.

With regards to you saying people won't buy it there selling like hot cakes aren't they.

p.s do you think I have blown enough smoke up John's **** to get a discount or should I keep going.

renny

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How many instances that you know of Tony?

TonyBurns

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Just read the 2.5 engine thread, plenty of instances in there of engine failures before the end of the warranty, you expect an engine to last 150k minimum now, not 20-30k.

Chris, the hard facts are reported by the owners, if IM say no we are not covering it, then it wont be classed as a warranty claim, no warranty claim = not registered as a failure.
That engine still has issues, If it has issues then people will avoid it, and as for those buying, I know a few who have purchased one, they have never owned a Subaru before so.... what you have to ask yourself is how many people who have owned a Subaru before are buying one, and I bet its not that many

renny

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I have read 'some' of the engine failure thread and appreciate people have had issues but, my question is, how many do you recall being knocked back as a warranty claim?

Smiler-Wrx

The video of the subaru TT run 2014 is out

thenewgalaxy

I'd recommend reading the thread at the top of this main page. There are a fair few failures on there. The issue for me is not whether the problem exists or not - there was clearly an issue if anecdotal reports are to be believed - but whether or not it was sorted when the 2011 batch came in. As far as I'm aware there have been no failures on those hatches and saloons.

Regardless of whether or not there's a problem I personally wouldn't worry buying a car off Mangoletsi. They're offering a custom mapped car and have a huge reputation to maintain. Even if all of those saloons blew up, perish the thought, I suspect they'd value that reputation ahead of a small dent in what must be a considerable profit.

TonyBurns

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Ive known of a few on the 2011+ batch, piston ring failure on a standard car was one, but the oil pick up pipe causes issues (oil starvation).

Carnut

I find that if you delve in to the engine failures thread for a lot of the time they have modified the car and Subaru have actually been flexible in the end and honoured the warranty. No one is going to be happy when their car goes wrong and I find more often than not they make it personal. John on the other hand does have the facts and not some rant of a disappointed customer.

But I sound like I am making excuses for them know and there has clearly been some problems, its just I think its time to move on.

thenewgalaxy

This is the point Tony was trying to make with the reference to the DIT engines hopefully arriving here in 2015.

Problems or not, it's hard to get too excited about a largely unchanged engine being the power plant in this new car, regardless of how it drives.

Carnut

Yeah....I think I will have the golf. that looks rubbish.

Littleted

Renny you bought that German shopping trolly yet, 3 weeks today woooot

Carnut

I was referring to the problems not the cc. But I thought that it was agreed that the 2.5 engine was a great thing for the road with plenty of torque.

terzoscooby

The TT car was fully forged.

NormantheDog

Whose slating cars now?



PS read this months Top Gear............

Carnut

It wouldn't surprise me, it would be bad press if it spewed its guts all over the Isle of Man.

Carnut

Now come on, I was just being sarcastic, no need for the low blow.

NormantheDog

no blows intended!

rob84

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That car was more power than standard too I reckon. std they hit around 1 bar and can peak briefly at 1.24 bar but the boost gauge in the TT car goes right round the clock.