TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Well as we have the 2014 STI (the yanks always add a year on for some unknown reason) it doesn't give you what you want, anyway just type in STI and see what comes up that's the joys of the internet
Then you have the point where the specs are different per country, doesn't help, but the advertising sucks, in general, for Subaru UK.
The good old days when they use to actually pay to have posters on the billboards....

The thing about advertising is that people will only look for something if they see something about the product, so you have to show the product to the population or they wont look for it.

I shall give you a demonstration, Subaru UK actually have an on line video on the web (not on their home page but the web), its been up there, oh 3 or so months, had less than 1000 hits, so as I have said before, its not up to the dealers to advertise the product, its up to Subaru UK, the internet is only as good as what you want to search for on it, there are millions of ads on there, if you don't know about a product then its a waste of time.

Tony

XDevil666

Ah tony think we were just born in different generations

Sad as it is subaru.co.uk wouldn't be the place the majority of people would go to look for a video

Facebook or YouTube or things like autocar website would be the sites of choice

Just my view though

Carnut

Maybe Subaru had a look on SN and thought that it was full of people that will just find any angle they can to complain, and thought that it's just not worth the money to advertise in the UK.

Subaru owners have a bad reputation worldwide and the UK/SN have one of the worst. If I was the boss at Subaru then I would want nothing to do with the UK, we/you are to hard to please.

A good example of this will be provided shortly by someone telling me about the fundamental issues that Subaru have instead of constructive criticism.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Three points

1) I keep reading how it's sold out in the UK so that proves how great it is. How many units is that exactly? Not anywhere near what they were selling in 2004/2005 would be my guess!

2) You can't compare the Aus and US markets with the UK market as those markets are much bigger for the cooking models than the performance models. In 2005 83% of the Subarus sold in the UK were Imprexa WRX and STIs. In 2007 Subaru/IM mis-read the UK market completely and alienated the fan base whilst failing to attract many new fans with a fairly banal average car!

3) Does this wonderful new car come with the same 2.5 engine or a different one? Do we have an answer to this yet? If it does then how great it drives is irrelevant if it still has the same lurking issues!

Carnut

F1 fan, was it getting to much for you to sit back and say nothing? I can imagine that you have been following the thread doing something like this telling yourself not to get involved.

In the end we were just to much for you to take.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

I have made three valid points, if that is the best reply you can come up with then why bother putting fingers to keyboard? Blind loyalty to a brand is not a sensible or logical state of mind!

Carnut

My god you are just to much sometimes I was just being light hearted and making a bit of a joke.

But thank you for proving my point that I was making in the post previous to your 3 valid points.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Yeah, but your mate XDevil won't be joking when he goes on one of his blinkered rants in response to my post will he?

PS it's 'too much'

Carnut

XDevil666

Shhhhh my little donkey friend the Internet is one big big place, plenty of other places for a donkey such as yourself to graze upon

Maybe the AMG forums won't support your sorry donkey ***?

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Here he is, right on cue!

The funny thing is the AMG forums are, on average, frequented by a more mature class of poster.... no surprise as your sort don't tend to last long there as the moderation is a bit more stringent..... they don't put up with posters who make baseless accusations about other posters causing wilful damage for instance

Anyway another super response to my three very valid points. Seems the questions must be a bit hard for you!

Carnut

I understand that f1_fan may want a more in depth response but I have to say you two make me laugh.

Carnut

Fair points well made, not a lot to respond to really.

I suppose its going to be a bit of a waiting game with the new car and we will have to see if Subaru have acknowledged previous mistakes and have corrected where necessary.

T5NYW

iTrader: (4)

1 from what I heard it was about 500 for the year and split in two batches.

2. I bought new 2002 and 2006 STis. but as you said miss read UK market. UK only given hatch and no WR Blue. Yet both were available the rest of the world. So What did the expect. !!! So I couldn't buy a Hatch. Didn't buy new till the 2011 saloon can here. But still no WR Blue.

Funny how the seem to sold all the 2014 WR saloons!!! Must be a glitch!!!! Saloon & WR blue just 7years too late.

3. I believe it is revised 2.5ltr but I don't know to what extent. If the new car had the 2.0ltr DIT engine my 2011 car would be no more and a new WR Blue 2014 would have been on my drive 2 months ago.

IMHO IIRC

Tony

Mangoletsi Subaru

1). Approx 300-350 in 2014. Never will be anything like 2004/2005, EU emissions regulations will not allow it for one thing.

2) Marmite springs to mind, some people love the previous model, some people don't, but everyone free to make their own mind up and not fair to be criticised for their decision.

3) Yes, same basic engine, but few differences (intercooler is most obvious, but also some different materials used etc), not getting dragged into this one again though.

Carnut

Good I say, let them be a car for enthusiasts, look what happened to the mondeo, it is/was as good a car as the 3 series BMW but got to popular and people now go to BMW for exclusivity. You have got to love the irony of it, people buying Mercedes and BMW for the exclusivity when there as common as muck.

I am not saying that Subaru are in any danger of becoming to popular but just that its nice that Subaru are a exclusive option.

Thehulkster699

Wonder what my sti is worth now/6 months/one year?.........

XDevil666

More mature class of poster....

Just end it there my little old mature donkey

Do the AMG guys arrange meet ups at the local Mecca Bingo/Gala car parks then?

Good god I can imagine you mature AMG guys when you hit 'boost' or high up the rev ranges, I bet you all say

" warp speed engaged "

terzoscooby

Well we have had our M135i a week and I have got to say it is fantastic. One hell of a road car. The engine knocks the subaru into touch and the 8 speed gear box is superb. The adjustable suspension is a real gem to have. Very impressed. Still got 2 classic rally minis, a modded classic and the MY11 and love them all!

XDevil666

Did you get the free bag they were offering on the first batch?

terzoscooby

Yep the deal was superb. Free wheel and tyre insurance for 3 years. Free servicing for 3 years. Business sat nav. Free Comfort pack and more. All for the price of the new MY15. Wife got 42mpg down to Cambridge 160 miles. Can't knock it. Shows what you can do with a modern engine.

Carnut

Going of what Bigforge says (Also even though its a bit heavier than the blob its averaging 25-27MPG with a heavy right foot around town in S#, compared to the blob which at best would get 20MPG. I'm putting this down to the better aero. Motorway MPG i suspect would be 25-29MPG with sensible driving. I havent worked out the MPG for the run i had back from the dealer but it used just over a quarter of tank for 160miles. I don't care about MPG though) this works out at about 40ish mpg on the motorway and 25-27 mpg under heavy footed driving round town not to bad either.

The Sti also has a couple of extra doors and a 4wd system to hold it back, plus Bigforge's has the 330 upgrade so matches if not beats the 135i in the power department. In the hands of the stig round the topgear track the 135i may just have the upper hand but in the real world the Subaru would be faster I would have thought. And if it rains, well don't even bother with rwd.

Would consider one for the wife to do her shopping but not much of a family performance car.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Well what we don't say is 'Oh f**k, ringland failure' or 'Oh f**k, head gasket failure'

Oh and keep it to imagining please, we don't want your sort!

thenewgalaxy

It's a shame there was a problem with the early batch of engines (or it was perceived there was a problem, depending on who one believes) as I feel that's what caused the majority of ill-feeling towards the car.

More room in it, a wider track and longer wheel base than the newage. A practical five foor, permanent all-wheel drive car that'll rip just about most things from the lights and keep up with just about anything on a B-road.

I genuinely think the majority of people that slag the hatch off have not even sat in one let alone driven one. Their loss.

fat-thomas

iTrader: (4)

so same engine and same problems still not addressed which puts you in the hands of the imfamous i.m. its your fault warranty non payers.


i like most dislike the hatch but the new car looks awesome and only time will tell if the 2.5 issues arise again.

terzoscooby

Chris you need to drive one!

If the scoob is mapped well it will do 36mpg at a constant 50mph with 80% drive to the rear.

The Beemer has 5 doors.

It delivers max torque of 450nm at 1300-4000rpm which is what any road driver will notice, power is not worth talking about for a road car. There is no lag and waiting for it to spool at 3700rpm.

How many people try hard in any car in the wet on the road my MY11 will chuck the **** out in the wet as the centre diff takes seconds to lock up. And for winter we will put winter boots on it just like I do on all my cars and they wipe the floor on summer tyres in the wet. Try driving the MY15 hard in the twisty stuff. It's a bit disconcerting unless you turn all the stability control but not many will ever touch the button.

thenewgalaxy

I challenge anyone to drive a 300+ bhp Impreza at a constant 50mph in anything other than an average speed camera area of the motorway.

Carnut

Have driven new and old m3's and lots of other BMW's but sadly not the135i or the new sti, what I should of said is its not a good comparison, the 135i and the new Sti.

Iam a bit different to most, to give you an example I had a raptor 660 quad which has a carb, I then bought the new 700 with fuel injection but in the end sold that one to my brother and bought another 660. I like the nervousness that you get with the carb and believe it or not I even like a bit of turbo lag, it all adds to the excitement for me,Smooth is boring.

terzoscooby

Lol.

I do 50mph for about 30 miles on my daily commute to York basically in a Train of cars. My MY11 will do 34mpg. My mapped, forged 2L classic will do 42mpg and it mapped by Pat Hepburn so nice and weak off boost. Both run 3.54:1 but the classic is on 16 inch wheels the MY11 on 18s. In contrast I did 550 miles to North Wales with a blast around Snowdonia in the MY11 and averaged 18mpg. Oh and the mini will do 15mpg on a rally. Lol

Carnut

I was going of what Bigforge said on another thread that he got 160 miles from just over a 1/4 of a tank. I then had I look at what the size of the tank was and put the numbers in to a fuel economy app that I have. Being conservative I got about 40ish mpg.

New Sti has 16.9 us gallon tank / 61ish litre

160 miles at 40mpg is 18.18 litres

160 miles at 36mpg is 20.2 litres but that would be 1/3 of a tank .