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04 February 2014, 04:13 PM
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People like me with high IQs are the ones that should be breeding, but many of us choose not to as bringing kids into a world where uneducated bigoted dolts like you are the mainstay of the population is not something many of us want to do so in that way you are right about natural selection! 
The rest of your post, however, is another of your illogical and failed corollaries unworthy of discussion or consideration by someone as remarkably intelligent as myself! 
The rest of your post, however, is another of your illogical and failed corollaries unworthy of discussion or consideration by someone as remarkably intelligent as myself! 
04 February 2014, 04:17 PM
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Jonathan Harmsworth, 4th Viscount Rothermere is the chairman of DMGT who own the Daily Mail. He is British and lives in France for tax reasons, he pays almost no UK tax!
He is constantly wined and dined by MPs who want him to instruct his rag to not give them a hard time (something he of course claims never to do), one of many things that came out in the Leveson Enquiry.
He is also good friends with David Cameron.... surprise, surprise!
He is constantly wined and dined by MPs who want him to instruct his rag to not give them a hard time (something he of course claims never to do), one of many things that came out in the Leveson Enquiry.
He is also good friends with David Cameron.... surprise, surprise!
04 February 2014, 04:23 PM
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What makes you say that? Because I haven't been stupid enough to bring kids into this sorry world. There's a whole lot more to life than being a f**king parent thank God!
There's also absolutely nothing clever about having kids, it's one of the few things the terminally stupid can do.... presumably you have some?
There's also absolutely nothing clever about having kids, it's one of the few things the terminally stupid can do.... presumably you have some?
04 February 2014, 04:24 PM
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So you've used the term 'working class', but can't define what it is.
No, that's either idiocy or hypocrisy. 
04 February 2014, 04:27 PM
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I can give you my opinion of what working class means, and already have.
Feel free to tell me where you think I am wrong.
Considering the subject I'd say all three. I'm glad to hear it's not breeding though, even if thats not his choice.
Feel free to tell me where you think I am wrong.
Considering the subject I'd say all three. I'm glad to hear it's not breeding though, even if thats not his choice.
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04 February 2014, 04:41 PM
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What makes you say that? Because I haven't been stupid enough to bring kids into this sorry world. There's a whole lot more to life than being a f**king parent thank God!
There's also absolutely nothing clever about having kids, it's one of the few things the terminally stupid can do.... presumably you have some?
There's also absolutely nothing clever about having kids, it's one of the few things the terminally stupid can do.... presumably you have some?
and of course the idiot in the OP. However, even if you are clever, if your personality repels everyone in sight then its something that won't happen. I'd imagine then that someone like that would tell everyone its something they didn't want to happen, and go around bitter and twisted at the world wishing everyone terminal illness' and heart attacks.
But in this instance it really shows up your inability to address the issues brought up in the OP. For example, had you had children you would understand raising a child is far more difficult than anything you may have undertaken in your life. As basic as bringing a child into this world is, you are unqualified to pass comment on it.
Let's say for example you did have children, you would understand how difficult this made it to work and raise a child. Day after day of working for some arsehole you'd get frustrated, then when you witness someone getting paid to sit on their backside would only be a natural reaction.
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04 February 2014, 04:50 PM
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It's something stupid people can do, look at me for example and of course the idiot in the OP.
However, even if you are clever, if your personality repels everyone in sight then its something that won't happen. I'd imagine then that someone like that would tell everyone its something they didn't want to happen, and go around bitter and twisted at the world wishing everyone terminal illness' and heart attacks.
and of course the idiot in the OP. However, even if you are clever, if your personality repels everyone in sight then its something that won't happen. I'd imagine then that someone like that would tell everyone its something they didn't want to happen, and go around bitter and twisted at the world wishing everyone terminal illness' and heart attacks.
But in this instance it really shows up your inability to address the issues brought up in the OP. For example, had you had children you would understand raising a child is far more difficult than anything you may have undertaken in your life. As basic as bringing a child into this world is, you are unqualified to pass comment on it.
OK with that out of the way your argument here is going a bit into reverse. If you are saying that bringing a kid up is so difficult then presumably you are praising the woman in the OP's link as she has 8 kids and is managing to do it on just £24K a year single handedly. I am glad you are now thinking that way, you are a better person than I thought
04 February 2014, 04:51 PM
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04 February 2014, 05:10 PM
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You know nothing about my life so why comment on it? Well we all know why don't we
OK with that out of the way your argument here is going a bit into reverse. If you are saying that bringing a kid up is so difficult then presumably you are praising the woman in the OP's link as she has 8 kids and is managing to do it on just £24K a year single handedly. I am glad you are now thinking that way, you are a better person than I thought
OK with that out of the way your argument here is going a bit into reverse. If you are saying that bringing a kid up is so difficult then presumably you are praising the woman in the OP's link as she has 8 kids and is managing to do it on just £24K a year single handedly. I am glad you are now thinking that way, you are a better person than I thought
Nobody in their right mind unless they are very very stable financially would contemplate having 8 children in this day and age. Someone "unable" to work wouldn't even think it would they? Unless they lived in a society where gullible PC boneheads would believe the Dad would up and leave 9 times, but keep returning for a bit of fun with a woman who's never heard of contraception. Only in today's society would you find middle class twits who live so far from reality that they would believe this Lady only has £24k a year, and believe everything they read in the Guardian. (Or that Daddy's shirts aren't hanging in the wardrobe upstairs.)
I fully expect to read in a few weeks this Lady being investigated for benefit fraud.
I see no reason to continue to discuss this further with someone who has no idea or experience in what they are trying (and failing) to argue about.
I'm sure you'll find someone else in the next few minutes to have another argument with.
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04 February 2014, 05:22 PM
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Nobody in their right mind unless they are very very stable financially would contemplate having 8 children in this day and age. Someone "unable" to work wouldn't even think it would they? Unless they lived in a society where gullible PC boneheads would believe the Dad would up and leave 9 times, but keep returning for a bit of fun with a woman who's never heard of contraception. Only in today's society would you find middle class twits who live so far from reality that they would believe this Lady only has £24k a year, and believe everything they read in the Guardian. (Or that Daddy's shirts aren't hanging in the wardrobe upstairs.)
I fully expect to read in a few weeks this Lady being investigated for benefit fraud.
I see no reason to continue to discuss this further with someone who has no idea or experience in what they are trying (and failing) to argue about.
I'm sure you'll find someone else in the next few minutes to have another argument with.
I fully expect to read in a few weeks this Lady being investigated for benefit fraud.
I see no reason to continue to discuss this further with someone who has no idea or experience in what they are trying (and failing) to argue about.
I'm sure you'll find someone else in the next few minutes to have another argument with.
Basically your post says to us that you know you are wrong so you are going to run away from discussing it any further by issuing some bluster about my being unable to argue my position which of course everyone knows not to be the case. Fair enough... see ya, as your sort likes to say
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04 February 2014, 05:28 PM
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Ah, and just when I thought you were showing a level of hitherto unrevealed compassion. I should have known better.
Basically your post says to us that you know you are wrong so you are going to run away from discussing it any further by issuing some bluster about my being unable to argue my position which of course everyone knows not to be the case. Fair enough... see ya, as your sort likes to say
Basically your post says to us that you know you are wrong so you are going to run away from discussing it any further by issuing some bluster about my being unable to argue my position which of course everyone knows not to be the case. Fair enough... see ya, as your sort likes to say
04 February 2014, 06:53 PM
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When someone is unable to have children of their own, and not from any medical point of view, it says a lot about them, their life and the people that surround them.
Nobody in their right mind unless they are very very stable financially would contemplate having 8 children in this day and age. Someone "unable" to work wouldn't even think it would they? Unless they lived in a society where gullible PC boneheads would believe the Dad would up and leave 9 times, but keep returning for a bit of fun with a woman who's never heard of contraception. Only in today's society would you find middle class twits who live so far from reality that they would believe this Lady only has £24k a year, and believe everything they read in the Guardian. (Or that Daddy's shirts aren't hanging in the wardrobe upstairs.)
I fully expect to read in a few weeks this Lady being investigated for benefit fraud.
I see no reason to continue to discuss this further with someone who has no idea or experience in what they are trying (and failing) to argue about.
I'm sure you'll find someone else in the next few minutes to have another argument with.
Nobody in their right mind unless they are very very stable financially would contemplate having 8 children in this day and age. Someone "unable" to work wouldn't even think it would they? Unless they lived in a society where gullible PC boneheads would believe the Dad would up and leave 9 times, but keep returning for a bit of fun with a woman who's never heard of contraception. Only in today's society would you find middle class twits who live so far from reality that they would believe this Lady only has £24k a year, and believe everything they read in the Guardian. (Or that Daddy's shirts aren't hanging in the wardrobe upstairs.)
I fully expect to read in a few weeks this Lady being investigated for benefit fraud.
I see no reason to continue to discuss this further with someone who has no idea or experience in what they are trying (and failing) to argue about.
I'm sure you'll find someone else in the next few minutes to have another argument with.
Lord Rothermere (as a % of his income) pays far far less tax than you, indeed if he pays any at all, nevertheless, like you, he is a consumer of services this country has to offer (probably not as much as you - I doubt he uses the state system to educate his children etc)
Obviously all legally – as is the behaviour of the SLAG, no suggestion in the article that this SLAG is doing anything illegal at all - much like Lord Rothermere in this regard.
Who makes you most angry, presumably the SLAG, and if that is so, is it because somewhere deep in your soul you know that Lord Rothermere is better than you, more deserving (even though his initial wealth was a simple quirk of nature/birth and his maintenance of that wealth is, to some extent, the result of our TAX & BENEFIT system too – he plays the system much like the SLAG)
they both play it, the system in the same way you don't
Do you doff your metaphoric working class hat to Lord Rothermere Kwik?
maybe if the woman in the article was Lady Rothermere she would not be a SLAG
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04 February 2014, 08:32 PM
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Tell me this kwik
Lord Rothermere (as a % of his income) pays far far less tax than you, indeed if he pays any at all, nevertheless, like you, he is a consumer of services this country has to offer (probably not as much as you - I doubt he uses the state system to educate his children etc)
Obviously all legally – as is the behaviour of the SLAG, no suggestion in the article that this SLAG is doing anything illegal at all - much like Lord Rothermere in this regard.
Who makes you most angry, presumably the SLAG, and if that is so, is it because somewhere deep in your soul you know that Lord Rothermere is better than you, more deserving (even though his initial wealth was a simple quirk of nature/birth and his maintenance of that wealth is, to some extent, the result of our TAX & BENEFIT system too – he plays the system much like the SLAG)
they both play it, the system in the same way you don't
Do you doff your metaphoric working class hat to Lord Rothermere Kwik?
maybe if the woman in the article was Lady Rothermere she would not be a SLAG
Lord Rothermere (as a % of his income) pays far far less tax than you, indeed if he pays any at all, nevertheless, like you, he is a consumer of services this country has to offer (probably not as much as you - I doubt he uses the state system to educate his children etc)
Obviously all legally – as is the behaviour of the SLAG, no suggestion in the article that this SLAG is doing anything illegal at all - much like Lord Rothermere in this regard.
Who makes you most angry, presumably the SLAG, and if that is so, is it because somewhere deep in your soul you know that Lord Rothermere is better than you, more deserving (even though his initial wealth was a simple quirk of nature/birth and his maintenance of that wealth is, to some extent, the result of our TAX & BENEFIT system too – he plays the system much like the SLAG)
they both play it, the system in the same way you don't
Do you doff your metaphoric working class hat to Lord Rothermere Kwik?
maybe if the woman in the article was Lady Rothermere she would not be a SLAG
And as said earlier, the "system" is at failure in both cases.
But I am unlikely to ever be faced with the decision of whether to live abroad and not pay taxes on my multi million pound empire, but if I am I would hope I'd make the right decision.
I am however surrounded by people who make the decision to give up work and live off of the state and I constantly feel like giving up and joining them.
Let's take my car for example. It needs fixing, but I don't see enough day light to get the time. Working six days a week means I am unlikely to until Sunday. I am now cycling to work in the rain (and hail this morning) down an unlit path where a chap was kicked to death only a fortnight or so ago. Perhaps I should go into work tomorrow, punch my boss in the face, get sacked and come home and fix my car.
I could take my car off of the road and work on it for the next 365 days undisturbed, and all my parts could be bought using crisis loans etc etc, and I could borrow enough to bankrupt myself and start all over again.
However, pride is what prevents me. And the thought of my 3 growing up thinking it was OK not to contribute to society is what prevents me also.
The "working class" get so riled up about stories like this, not because of the paper they are in (The Sun, Star etc are the papers I tend to see) but because it is reality to us.
04 February 2014, 10:04 PM
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it must be incredibly frustrating doing the right thing and constantly seeing people gaming the system. (although the "gamers" at the top have a very very nice life, I think the "gamers" at the bottom have a **** one, trapped by their dismal aspirations in life, almost zombie like - imo)
what is interesting is that this cultural phenomenom of simply opting out of any work or contribution started in the 80's and 90's
imo unemployment was used as an arm of economic policy - and we are living with the consequences
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04 February 2014, 10:35 PM
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04 February 2014, 10:47 PM
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That's just basing your class on your income though isn't it? If that was the case anyone could win the lottery and suddenly, on your terms, become middle/ upper class, purely because they now had money in the bank.
05 February 2014, 12:31 AM
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Also, to put a slightly different slant on this, while some people want to make out that there isn't really a problem and the cost is small in the grand scheme of things, perhaps right now, it is, but without change, what will the future hold? The story in the OP may be fairly uncommon, but what about all of the 'families' living off benefits as a long term option, with say 2/3/4 kids, what happens in years to come, if all those children go on to live the same way? What may seem a small problem now, won't be down the line, and would continue to get worse with every generation. It's not just the financial side though, it's the social aspect of this culture that worries me. The 'I don't care attitude', whereby they have no respect for their surroundings either, often not other people. Just one personal example, where I live, it's a council estate, which over the years, some people have bought homes, so now it's a mix of those fully subsidised, those paying their way renting, and those who have bought their homes. Overall, it's not too bad an area, but where does the majority of trouble occur, you guessed it, the part of the estate that predominately is made up of your subsidised people. Very close to home, what is either side of me, unkempt gardens with overflowing bins and rubbish all over the gardens. If nothing else, they have the benefit of time, so why such a disrespect for their area? On one side, they are well off enough that they can afford to keep 3 dogs, a parrot and tropical fish, so I am fairly sure that they could afford to mow the lawn from time to time, buy some weed killer (or do it the hard way) and pick up some litter in their free time, but no, they don't.
Sorry for the rant/long post, but it does get my back up that there is a section of our society that seem to think they don't need to have any responsibilities, from both a financial and social aspect. And for the record, I am in no way supporting the demonising of all people on some form of benefits. I am glad I am from a country that supports those who need it, I just wish the system was better.
Oh, and quickly, it is not mutually exclusive to have a problem with scrougers or have a problem with the rich playing the system. It is perfectly possible to think both are wrong and should be tackled.
05 February 2014, 05:52 AM
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It's all about pride. I would fall apart without work, I'd feel worthless and unable to provide for my family.
There's an area here in Crawley where it's not uncommon to see quite a few people out shopping in their pyjamas. Why get dressed when there's nothing to get dressed for.
There's an area here in Crawley where it's not uncommon to see quite a few people out shopping in their pyjamas. Why get dressed when there's nothing to get dressed for.
05 February 2014, 06:11 AM
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Whilst not wanting to defend promiscuity and lack of patriarchal responsibility, I find the whole tone of the story reprehensible. Note how emotive language is used to evoke a reaction. The whole story is typical Daily Fail fodder and I would suggest simply published for a reaction. A reaction that is easy to evoke from those who fail to see the bigger picture. Demonising benefit claimants is flavour of the month at the moment. The Daily Fail it seems is turning it in to a national sport.
A banker, a Daily Mail reader and a benefit claimant are sitting at a table sharing 12 biscuits. The banker takes 11 and says to the Daily Mail reader: “Watch out for the benefit claimant, he wants your biscuit”
A banker, a Daily Mail reader and a benefit claimant are sitting at a table sharing 12 biscuits. The banker takes 11 and says to the Daily Mail reader: “Watch out for the benefit claimant, he wants your biscuit”
Yes but the banker probably paid for the packet of biscuits!
05 February 2014, 08:56 AM
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A man born and raised in a deprived area in an inner city, poorly educated, talks in grunts, gives his children made-up names. Working class?
Now he plays for Man Utd and earns £18m a year, he's not suddenly upper class is he?