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18 February 2014, 10:21 PM
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Dogs and kids don't mix , if you've had dogs and kids and nothing bad has happened yet or ever did happen then you've been lucky it's as simple as that , it's not because your dog "wouldn't hurt a fly" or "is soft as ****" etc , it's because you've been lucky
As above , anybody who puts a dog on same level as there own kids should have there kids put in care , delusional
As above , anybody who puts a dog on same level as there own kids should have there kids put in care , delusional
18 February 2014, 11:00 PM
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millons of children are raised safely with dogs and come to no harm.
The benefits of living with dogs out weigh the risk. your more likely to be killed by cows than a dog but it doesnt make good publicity
The benefits of living with dogs out weigh the risk. your more likely to be killed by cows than a dog but it doesnt make good publicity
18 February 2014, 11:15 PM
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there have been 2 incidents within a week and same outcome, something i noticed:
'Ava-Jayne' and 'Eliza-Mae' are both chav names
this is where the problem starts, completely wrong sort of owners for any dog breed
'Ava-Jayne' and 'Eliza-Mae' are both chav names
this is where the problem starts, completely wrong sort of owners for any dog breed
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18 February 2014, 11:45 PM
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Dogs and kids don't mix , if you've had dogs and kids and nothing bad has happened yet or ever did happen then you've been lucky it's as simple as that , it's not because your dog "wouldn't hurt a fly" or "is soft as ****" etc , it's because you've been lucky
As above , anybody who puts a dog on same level as there own kids should have there kids put in care , delusional
As above , anybody who puts a dog on same level as there own kids should have there kids put in care , delusional
19 February 2014, 01:12 AM
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19 February 2014, 06:08 AM
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Bit of a mix of opinions here.
It just seems odd (to me) that people keep these animals as pets when they have small children.
They are basically a domesticated species that originally have a social structure based around pack hunting.
With the obvious requirement for a hierarchy in such an animal group, the idea of having one and then throwing a new born child in to the mix sounds a little strange to me.
Fair enough if you don't have children and want one as a substitute I suppose.
I pulled the following out of the Telegraph 7/11/13 I have highlighted the bits that are especially relevant IMO
"The NHS published data on hospital admissions due to animal attacks a few months ago. Dog bites are down on last year, but there were still 6,334 incidents between June 2012 and May 2013, down from 6,454 between June 2011 and May 2012. Of those, 4,126 were classed as open wounds of the wrist, hand, head, forearm and lower leg. 110 involved amputation of the wrist or hand.
Of the 952 attacks on 0-9-year-olds the vast majority of the wounds - 788 of them - were to the head. Seventy-four to the wrist and hands, two amputations. Plastic surgery was required in 544 of those 952 cases, oral or maxillofacial surgery (treatment or reconstruction of the jaw, mouth, face and skull) was required 314 times."
And then of course unfortunately, there are these not too infrequent deaths.
It just seems odd (to me) that people keep these animals as pets when they have small children.
They are basically a domesticated species that originally have a social structure based around pack hunting.
With the obvious requirement for a hierarchy in such an animal group, the idea of having one and then throwing a new born child in to the mix sounds a little strange to me.
Fair enough if you don't have children and want one as a substitute I suppose.
I pulled the following out of the Telegraph 7/11/13 I have highlighted the bits that are especially relevant IMO
"The NHS published data on hospital admissions due to animal attacks a few months ago. Dog bites are down on last year, but there were still 6,334 incidents between June 2012 and May 2013, down from 6,454 between June 2011 and May 2012. Of those, 4,126 were classed as open wounds of the wrist, hand, head, forearm and lower leg. 110 involved amputation of the wrist or hand.
Of the 952 attacks on 0-9-year-olds the vast majority of the wounds - 788 of them - were to the head. Seventy-four to the wrist and hands, two amputations. Plastic surgery was required in 544 of those 952 cases, oral or maxillofacial surgery (treatment or reconstruction of the jaw, mouth, face and skull) was required 314 times."
And then of course unfortunately, there are these not too infrequent deaths.
19 February 2014, 07:21 AM
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What a sweeping statement.
There must be a hell of a lot of very lucky people out there then
Or perhaps the 'lucky' ones are the responsible owners that buy a suitable dog and take precautions where kids are concerned.
There must be a hell of a lot of very lucky people out there then
Or perhaps the 'lucky' ones are the responsible owners that buy a suitable dog and take precautions where kids are concerned.
Dogs and kids don't mix , if you've had dogs and kids and nothing bad has happened yet or ever did happen then you've been lucky it's as simple as that , it's not because your dog "wouldn't hurt a fly" or "is soft as ****" etc , it's because you've been lucky
As above , anybody who puts a dog on same level as there own kids should have there kids put in care , delusional
As above , anybody who puts a dog on same level as there own kids should have there kids put in care , delusional
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19 February 2014, 07:23 AM
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Unfortunately this is life!!!
Dogs can kill.
Humans can kill( billions more innocents inc children)
Automobiles kill
Ladders kill
The weather kills
Police kill......remembering from another thread a while back approx 60 people inc children are killed per annum by speeding police cars.
Dog attacks are unfortunate and cruel but it's all about puting things into perspective.
Dogs can kill.
Humans can kill( billions more innocents inc children)
Automobiles kill
Ladders kill
The weather kills
Police kill......remembering from another thread a while back approx 60 people inc children are killed per annum by speeding police cars.
Dog attacks are unfortunate and cruel but it's all about puting things into perspective.
19 February 2014, 07:27 AM
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It seems to me as though this is something that happens to the not so well educated, for want of a better description "The chav element" of society, Those who are some how lacking in a basic understanding of animal nature.
Slightly left of field but something i'm interested in as opposed to the usual dog/retard owner hating that these threads seem to take. I wonder what goes on in the dogs mind to trigger an attack like this as it should in theory recognise the new member of the pack.
In my case where one of my Jack Russells went for my son, neither of the two qualified dog trainers or the vet could offer much of an explanation as to why this would happen, given that the they had been fine together for well over two years.
I put it down to pack hierarchy and the adolescent dog making a bid to rise above the position of my son in the pecking order, would he have gone the whole way and killed my son is a question fortunately that i'll not know the answer to.
One thing I have noticed about dogs is their squabbles are generally sorted in a matter of seconds as the weaker submits, maybe the lack of understanding dog psychology by those being attacked affects the outcome ie, no submission also the obvious fragility of these babies in the two recent attacks plays a part.
Something else I have considered is maybe there was something wrong with these babies that had not been picked up upon but the dog could smell/sense and was reverting to it's pack instinct of culling the weak/injured so as not to burden the pack, after all the role these dogs are given in the pack as protector would also suit that logic.
I understand that this may seem distasteful to some, so if that's the case then don't comment. I would however be interested to know the thoughts of those who have dogs and an understanding of the pack mentality as i'm more interested in this topic turning into a WHY this would happen as opposed to the direction these threads usually take and since we already did that last week I don't see the point of a repeat.
Slightly left of field but something i'm interested in as opposed to the usual dog/retard owner hating that these threads seem to take. I wonder what goes on in the dogs mind to trigger an attack like this as it should in theory recognise the new member of the pack.
In my case where one of my Jack Russells went for my son, neither of the two qualified dog trainers or the vet could offer much of an explanation as to why this would happen, given that the they had been fine together for well over two years.
I put it down to pack hierarchy and the adolescent dog making a bid to rise above the position of my son in the pecking order, would he have gone the whole way and killed my son is a question fortunately that i'll not know the answer to.
One thing I have noticed about dogs is their squabbles are generally sorted in a matter of seconds as the weaker submits, maybe the lack of understanding dog psychology by those being attacked affects the outcome ie, no submission also the obvious fragility of these babies in the two recent attacks plays a part.
Something else I have considered is maybe there was something wrong with these babies that had not been picked up upon but the dog could smell/sense and was reverting to it's pack instinct of culling the weak/injured so as not to burden the pack, after all the role these dogs are given in the pack as protector would also suit that logic.
I understand that this may seem distasteful to some, so if that's the case then don't comment. I would however be interested to know the thoughts of those who have dogs and an understanding of the pack mentality as i'm more interested in this topic turning into a WHY this would happen as opposed to the direction these threads usually take and since we already did that last week I don't see the point of a repeat.
19 February 2014, 07:50 AM
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Unfortunately this is life!!!
Dogs can kill.
Humans can kill( billions more innocents inc children)
Automobiles kill
Ladders kill
The weather kills
Police kill......remembering from another thread a while back approx 60 people inc children are killed per annum by speeding police cars.
Dog attacks are unfortunate and cruel but it's all about puting things into perspective.
Dogs can kill.
Humans can kill( billions more innocents inc children)
Automobiles kill
Ladders kill
The weather kills
Police kill......remembering from another thread a while back approx 60 people inc children are killed per annum by speeding police cars.
Dog attacks are unfortunate and cruel but it's all about puting things into perspective.
Some doo gooder will be sitting in an office someplace coming up with a daft regulation/restriction over the amount of these type of incidents.
19 February 2014, 08:06 AM
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It's not just aggressive/unpredictable animals as pets though, very few people recognise the health risk; my mum' s partner's daughter's son started suffering with breathing problems later to be diagnosed as Asthma.
I bet the doctor doesn't know she has two parrots, three cats and a house rabbits. I've been in that house and airbourne allergens is pretty bad as i struggle to breath in there; and it's down to the number pets she has.
Poor kid no wonder he can't breath
I did tell her that if her house pets triggers my asthma then it's pretty certain it affects her son. She will have none of it though. I bet the GP/doctors treating her son don't know either
19 February 2014, 08:29 AM
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Your missing the point mate, is there really any need to cross th fu**ing road if they see a dog coming towards them? I'm not saying they shouldn't protect their children and in all fairness if someone's dog is viscous they should be wearing a muzzle, but for people to cross the road is just disgusting, my dog is allways on the lead and walks beside me at all times.
19 February 2014, 08:38 AM
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Your missing the point mate, is there really any need to cross th fu**ing road if they see a dog coming towards them? I'm not saying they shouldn't protect their children and in all fairness if someone's dog is viscous they should be wearing a muzzle, but for people to cross the road is just disgusting, my dog is allways on the lead and walks beside me at all times.
19 February 2014, 08:40 AM
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Your missing the point mate, is there really any need to cross th fu**ing road if they see a dog coming towards them? I'm not saying they shouldn't protect their children and in all fairness if someone's dog is viscous they should be wearing a muzzle, but for people to cross the road is just disgusting, my dog is allways on the lead and walks beside me at all times.
I'll cross the street when I see one of these pleb dogs being walked by a pleb.
Maybe people are not comfortable walking next to a shark on a leash?
19 February 2014, 08:41 AM
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Personally I fully understand why someone would do that. The fact that you have a problem with it and don't seem to be able to comprehend why someone might feel the need to remove themselves and their loved ones from a potential situation does not reflect well on you. They have no way of knowing if your a responsible owner and whether or not your dog is well trained so take evasive action, especially with the amount of retarded types that own such dogs, I would do the same thing and i'm a dog person.
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19 February 2014, 09:02 AM
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Your missing the point mate, is there really any need to cross th fu**ing road if they see a dog coming towards them? I'm not saying they shouldn't protect their children and in all fairness if someone's dog is viscous they should be wearing a muzzle, but for people to cross the road is just disgusting, my dog is allways on the lead and walks beside me at all times.
19 February 2014, 10:19 AM
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Something else I have considered is maybe there was something wrong with these babies that had not been picked up upon but the dog could smell/sense and was reverting to it's pack instinct of culling the weak/injured so as not to burden the pack, after all the role these dogs are given in the pack as protector would also suit that logic.
That's a bit left field.
A lot of responsibility on the dog though.
19 February 2014, 10:23 AM
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None the less, I wouldn't take it personally either.
Good point made about muzzles though.
Obviously dog owners (like parents) can lack objectivity when it comes to their charges - so maybe all dogs in public should wear muzzles?
19 February 2014, 10:24 AM
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^^^ Bollox
Quite frankly, bollox. And thats fact.
There are thousands if not millions of households with dogs and kids around the world. With zero issues.
Whilst utterly tragic, the number of children killed or seriously injured by the family dog is significantly less than those that are killed or seriously injured by accidents or incidents in and around the home.
I appreciate that some of you feel strongly about this but whilst it makes headlines in all of these cases some simple common sense approaches by the parents would have prevented the tragic outcome.
And for those not blaiming the parents/owners:
"The dog reputedly named Killer"
"Brought home from the pub a few weeks ago"
"Left alone unsupervised"
Just what part of any of those points does not make the parents "responsible" ?
Are some of you seriously suggesting on this (and other similar threads) that we ban dogs or breeds because of the crass stupidity of certain human beings? Its time people becaume fully accountable for their actions and stopped blaiming everything but themselves.
19 February 2014, 11:02 AM
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It's not that I find it offensive or insulting that they cross the road it just annoys me that people do it, what are they teaching their children? That all dogs are the same? Yet they wouldn't do it if they see a Yorkshire terrier would they, when my mother inlaw owns a Yorkshire terrier and it's the most viscous fu**ing thing I've ever met! these people are basically teaching their kids that certain breeds are dangerous and it's just not the case. I to am a firm believer that it's how the dog is bought up. I take mine out with my kids and people still drag their kids away, now surely if the dog is safe enough to walk alongside my kids then it's not really likely to attack other peoples kids, yet some kids run straight up to him and strike/pet him and he loves it, I think the people that drag their kids away are pathetic to be fair, when they can blatantly see my dog is on a lead walking next to me is there really any need to cross the road and say to their kids oohhhh that dog looks nasty don't go near him.
19 February 2014, 11:04 AM
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^^^ Bollox
Quite frankly, bollox. And thats fact.
There are thousands if not millions of households with dogs and kids around the world. With zero issues.
Whilst utterly tragic, the number of children killed or seriously injured by the family dog is significantly less than those that are killed or seriously injured by accidents or incidents in and around the home.
I appreciate that some of you feel strongly about this but whilst it makes headlines in all of these cases some simple common sense approaches by the parents would have prevented the tragic outcome.
And for those not blaiming the parents/owners:
"The dog reputedly named Killer"
"Brought home from the pub a few weeks ago"
"Left alone unsupervised"
Just what part of any of those points does not make the parents "responsible" ?
Are some of you seriously suggesting on this (and other similar threads) that we ban dogs or breeds because of the crass stupidity of certain human beings? Its time people becaume fully accountable for their actions and stopped blaiming everything but themselves.
Quite frankly, bollox. And thats fact.
There are thousands if not millions of households with dogs and kids around the world. With zero issues.
Whilst utterly tragic, the number of children killed or seriously injured by the family dog is significantly less than those that are killed or seriously injured by accidents or incidents in and around the home.
I appreciate that some of you feel strongly about this but whilst it makes headlines in all of these cases some simple common sense approaches by the parents would have prevented the tragic outcome.
And for those not blaiming the parents/owners:
"The dog reputedly named Killer"
"Brought home from the pub a few weeks ago"
"Left alone unsupervised"
Just what part of any of those points does not make the parents "responsible" ?
Are some of you seriously suggesting on this (and other similar threads) that we ban dogs or breeds because of the crass stupidity of certain human beings? Its time people becaume fully accountable for their actions and stopped blaiming everything but themselves.
19 February 2014, 11:39 AM
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Additional clue here \/\/\/