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Old 19 February 2014, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
This is also a big part of the problem in my eyes, idiots that treat dogs as humans are basically traumatising their dogs and confusing the hell out of them.

IT IS A DOG FFS.
How do you treat a dog like a human?

Serious question that is.

I've been thinking about a dog for nearly a year now. Still haven't decided whether i can commit or not. It is a long term commitment so therefore a thoroughly thought out decision needs to be made. The last thing i'd want to do is take on a dog and then let go of it later. That's pretty much like abandoning a kid.
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What if there is a toddler in the house, and it pulls the dogs hair/tail etc - even by accident.
Generally if you hurt a dog, I imagine it wants to fight back?
No. Not at all.

Generally if you hurt a dog it will pull away from what is causing it pain. Unless conditioned/trained otherwise, fight will be a dogs last resort.

Dogs are not human, don't respond as humans do and therefore cannot be judged as humans are.

And that, of course, is pretty much what the problem is in all this.
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My dog is a Springer Spaniel, one of the supposedly 'cute & cuddly' type breeds, I love her to bits and would trust her with my life*
But she is still a dog not a human, and she needs to be treated and disciplined as such, for her own mental well-being as much as anything.

Also, even though I know how good she is with all my mates kids, I'm not stupid enough to leave her alone in a room with a one
Like Dan WRX and his dog, I've seen what mine is capable of with a wild rabbit

*Not my property though, she's a sh!te guard dog
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Originally Posted by Devildog
No. Not at all.

Generally if you hurt a dog it will pull away from what is causing it pain. Unless conditioned/trained otherwise, fight will be a dogs last resort.

Dogs are not human, don't respond as humans do and therefore cannot be judged as humans are.

And that, of course, is pretty much what the problem is in all this.
Fair enough.
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Originally Posted by Dan wrx
It's not that I find it offensive or insulting that they cross the road it just annoys me that people do it, what are they teaching their children? That all dogs are the same? Yet they wouldn't do it if they see a Yorkshire terrier would they, when my mother inlaw owns a Yorkshire terrier and it's the most viscous fu**ing thing I've ever met! these people are basically teaching their kids that certain breeds are dangerous and it's just not the case. I to am a firm believer that it's how the dog is bought up. I take mine out with my kids and people still drag their kids away, now surely if the dog is safe enough to walk alongside my kids then it's not really likely to attack other peoples kids, yet some kids run straight up to him and strike/pet him and he loves it, I think the people that drag their kids away are pathetic to be fair, when they can blatantly see my dog is on a lead walking next to me is there really any need to cross the road and say to their kids oohhhh that dog looks nasty don't go near him.

What are they teaching their children? exactly what you think they are, to be cautious of an unknown danger which seems like fairly basic parenting to me.

Even if a dog is on a lead it can still and 99% of the time does lunch forward to sniff or whatever. This is usually followed by some d1ckhead owner saying "he's only saying hello, etc". Well sorry but I dont want it, and don't feel I should have to put up with it. Unfortunately there are too many idiots about now that think everyone loves there "babies" as much as they do.

So to summerise I have brought my children up to be be wary of certain dogs and their retarded owners, maybe right or maybe wrong but if it saves one of them having their face ripped off then so be it.
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Lol at this thread, I say we should link all the similar threads here and then we can all rest from typing
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Originally Posted by cookstar
What are they teaching their children? exactly what you think they are, to be cautious of an unknown danger which seems like fairly basic parenting to me.

Even if a dog is on a lead it can still and 99% of the time does lunch forward to sniff or whatever. This is usually followed by some d1ckhead owner saying "he's only saying hello, etc". Well sorry but I dont want it, and don't feel I should have to put up with it. Unfortunately there are too many idiots about now that think everyone loves there "babies" as much as they do.

So to summerise I have brought my children up to be be wary of certain dogs and their retarded owners, maybe right or maybe wrong but if it saves one of them having their face ripped off then so be it.
The exact point I was trying to make!
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Originally Posted by cookstar
What are they teaching their children? exactly what you think they are, to be cautious of an unknown danger which seems like fairly basic parenting to me.

Even if a dog is on a lead it can still and 99% of the time does lunch forward to sniff or whatever. This is usually followed by some d1ckhead owner saying "he's only saying hello, etc". Well sorry but I dont want it, and don't feel I should have to put up with it. Unfortunately there are too many idiots about now that think everyone loves there "babies" as much as they do.

So to summerise I have brought my children up to be be wary of certain dogs and their retarded owners, maybe right or maybe wrong but if it saves one of them having their face ripped off then so be it.
Not really - they are "teaching" them to be fearful of certain breeds (rather than respectful which is far better parenting) and that apparently some are ok.

I've often said on here that people need to be educated when it comes to dogs, as do children. The post you are quoting is raising the issue of selectively crossing the road. It sends out the wrong signal.

What exactly have you tought your kids? How do you know that you child is at less risk from "certain" (your word) dogs than others? What constitutes a "retarded" owner?

I've seen some amazingly biddable and well trained [insert stereotypical child eating devil breed here] owned by "benefit scounging pond scum" that look like they would kill you as soon as look at you, and some horrifically behaved and aggressive [insert generally accepted cute fluffy breed here] owned by apparently well to do, well dressed and educated individuals in productive full time middle class employment.

I just hope that in crossing the road to avoid a nuzzle from the soft as butter rottie and his tattoo'd owner your kids dont get savaged by some "cute" but psycologically disturbed fluffball being walked by Tristain and Camilla.

I've had the road crossing, and still get it. I'm completely accepting that not everyone will like my dog just as parents should aware that not everyone will like their children. If someone has a fear, then I'd rather they told me than not. Then I'll happily have him sit quietly while they pass. Worst of all is those who are fearful, but pretend not to be.

What I won't stand for is some illeducated daily mail/daily express reader or just some generally illeducated **** shouting abuse at me, my dog, or my partner because of their prejudices - and believe me it does happen.

By all means cross the road. Keeps your manky germ infested kids away from me and my dog

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Originally Posted by cookstar
What are they teaching their children? exactly what you think they are, to be cautious of an unknown danger which seems like fairly basic parenting to me.

Even if a dog is on a lead it can still and 99% of the time does lunch forward to sniff or whatever. This is usually followed by some d1ckhead owner saying "he's only saying hello, etc". Well sorry but I dont want it, and don't feel I should have to put up with it. Unfortunately there are too many idiots about now that think everyone loves there "babies" as much as they do.

So to summerise I have brought my children up to be be wary of certain dogs and their retarded owners, maybe right or maybe wrong but if it saves one of them having their face ripped off then so be it.
i agree with this, just to add if you keep a do your house will stink thats a fact so your probably abit of a tramp for keeping a dog
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Originally Posted by angel1368
i agree with this, just to add if you keep a do your house will stink thats a fact so your probably abit of a tramp for keeping a dog
Lol!! That's going to go down like the Titanic that one!
Old 19 February 2014, 05:09 PM
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[QUOTE=RA Dunk;11358117]Lol!! That's going to go down like the Titanic that one! [/QUOTE

Yep, we have a rather large Doberman who is as daft as a brush and does make people jump when he suddenly appears in the lounge after a while. So no my house doesn't smell like dog.

I trust my dog but would never ever leave him alone anywhere near a child, dogs can be mental like just Fred West, having said that, when anybody came to our house when we had our baby (whose now 23), our first Doberman Katy would always plonk herself between the baby and the visitor and give them the stare
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Originally Posted by Shaid
How do you treat a dog like a human?

Serious question that is.

I've been thinking about a dog for nearly a year now. Still haven't decided whether i can commit or not. It is a long term commitment so therefore a thoroughly thought out decision needs to be made. The last thing i'd want to do is take on a dog and then let go of it later. That's pretty much like abandoning a kid.
You bestow it with human emotions like love, respect, fear, hate, regret,

The technical term for this is anthropomorphism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropomorphism


It has no human emotions because it is not a human it is a dog

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Old 19 February 2014, 06:31 PM
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[QUOTE=Devildog;11357857]^^^ Bollox

Quite frankly, bollox. And thats fact.

There are thousands if not millions of households with dogs and kids around the world. With zero issues.

Whilst utterly tragic, the number of children killed or seriously injured by the family dog is significantly less than those that are killed or seriously injured by accidents or incidents in and around the home.


I appreciate that some of you feel strongly about this but whilst it makes headlines in all of these cases some simple common sense approaches by the parents would have prevented the tragic outcome.

And for those not blaiming the parents/owners:

"The dog reputedly named Killer"
"Brought home from the pub a few weeks ago"
"Left alone unsupervised"

Just what part of any of those points does not make the parents "responsible" ?

Are some of you seriously suggesting on this (and other similar threads) that we ban dogs or breeds because of the crass stupidity of certain human beings? Its time people becaume fully accountable for their actions and stopped blaiming everything but themselves.[/


Maybe I've come across as a dog hater here and I'm certainly not , let me explain my point further

A dog is an animal that CAN at anytime in a split second (for any number of unknown reasons ) act in a unpredictable aggressive manor

The only 100% guaranteed safe way to keep a dog with small children is to have them completely separated of ANY contact 100% of the time

No amount of "being careful" or "acting responsible" will give you that 100% guarantee that you child will come to no harm

The fact of matter is that you are taking a risk to your child's safety , many people are happy to take that risk , and that's there choice to make but IMO it's unnecessary

We had dogs growing up , i rolled around the house playing with our German shepherd from a puppy for 4 years , it slept in my bed , soft as **** , wouldn't hurt a fly , loved kids , we had a neighbour who got one from the same litter , we used to go round and play at there house/garden pretty much every day , again around the dogs , one day the neighbours dog grabbed me by the face and dragged me round the garden , very nearly lost my sight , my parents kicked the dog to get it off me and I was rushed to hospital

In those days things like that were never even reported a lot of the time , they had that dog for years and years and there's actually 4 kids that have been born and bought up around that dog since and as far as I know it's never gone for any of them , that's the point , there unpredictable
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Originally Posted by cster
Well F***-me!
That's a bit left field.
A lot of responsibility on the dog though.
Not as far left field as you may think, dogs are being used to detect various illness because of their sense of smell, saw a program about it a few years ago, it is also as I mentioned something that happens throughout the animal kingdom, cats do it too.

Not saying that's the case in this instance as it seems to me like crass stupidity was to blame, real shame as everyone is a loser, I don't see it as the fault of the dog, as mentioned you can't place human values on any animal as to do so is suggesting they share the same thought process, which they don't.
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sorry but its true, if your a non smoker and go into a smokers house you will smell smoke, if you dont have a dog but go to someones house who has a dog then it will stink of dog thats the way it is
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Originally Posted by angel1368
sorry but its true, if your a non smoker and go into a smokers house you will smell smoke, if you dont have a dog but go to someones house who has a dog then it will stink of dog thats the way it is
Nope - I'm an estate agent and spend my life visiting other peoples houses, some smell (dogs, babies, cigarettes, owners BO, etc. etc.) and some don't. You can't generalise and assume that dog = house that stinks of dogs.

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Originally Posted by angel1368
sorry but its true, if your a non smoker and go into a smokers house you will smell smoke, if you dont have a dog but go to someones house who has a dog then it will stink of dog thats the way it is

Not always true - we have a dog and I assure you there is a big difference between how "some" dog owners (and cars) smell. Much like cat owner's houses, and house rabit owners etc.

But then my cleanliness is a little more OCD compared to many people (due to my allergies) -Hence my knowledge (and collection) of vacuum cleaners and knowing that cylinder vacuums (the lazy woman's favourite) without motorised brushheads are useless at cleaning carpets.
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^^^^
I'm a non smoker, my sister smokes and has a dog and I've not smelt either when visiting her house.

Nik.
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Yep it's all about personal hygiene, that said my Cane Corso doesn't come in the house, he's a guard dog, early warning system and deterrent which he can't do if he's sat at my feet listening to the TV, any one or thing steps to within 500 metres of my house day or night will know he is around.
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Originally Posted by Dan wrx
Your missing the point mate, is there really any need to cross th fu**ing road if they see a dog coming towards them? I'm not saying they shouldn't protect their children and in all fairness if someone's dog is viscous they should be wearing a muzzle, but for people to cross the road is just disgusting, my dog is allways on the lead and walks beside me at all times.
When I was a kid (about 6 or 7), I was walking down the street near my parents house and I was "attacked" by a German shepherd that was on a lead and beside its fu*kwit of an owner. Totally unprovoked on my part, simply walking past. I was left laying on a front lawn with cuts all over my arms and legs with a fair bit of blood coming out of my arms. The owner eventually pulled the psycho pet off of me and just walked on and left me there. Didn't even ask if I was ok.

Nothing was done about the dog or it's owner. Didn't know where they lived and didn't see them again, but then it was the 80's, things were different back then I suppose. My parents were understandably not happy and I don't know what would have become of the dog or its owner had my dad got a hold of them
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Originally Posted by SirFozzalot
When I was a kid (about 6 or 7), I was walking down the street near my parents house and I was "attacked" by a German shepherd that was on a lead and beside its fu*kwit of an owner. Totally unprovoked on my part, simply walking past. I was left laying on a front lawn with cuts all over my arms and legs with a fair bit of blood coming out of my arms. The owner eventually pulled the psycho pet off of me and just walked on and left me there. Didn't even ask if I was ok.

Nothing was done about the dog or it's owner. Didn't know where they lived and didn't see them again, but then it was the 80's, things were different back then I suppose. My parents were understandably not happy and I don't know what would have become of the dog or its owner had my dad got a hold of them
Jesus, if that had happened nowadays there would be streets cordoned off helicopters the lot.
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Originally Posted by Devildog
Not really - they are "teaching" them to be fearful of certain breeds (rather than respectful which is far better parenting) and that apparently some are ok.

I've often said on here that people need to be educated when it comes to dogs, as do children. The post you are quoting is raising the issue of selectively crossing the road. It sends out the wrong signal.

What exactly have you tought your kids? How do you know that you child is at less risk from "certain" (your word) dogs than others? What constitutes a "retarded" owner?

I've seen some amazingly biddable and well trained [insert stereotypical child eating devil breed here] owned by "benefit scounging pond scum" that look like they would kill you as soon as look at you, and some horrifically behaved and aggressive [insert generally accepted cute fluffy breed here] owned by apparently well to do, well dressed and educated individuals in productive full time middle class employment.


I just hope that in crossing the road to avoid a nuzzle from the soft as butter rottie and his tattoo'd owner your kids dont get savaged by some "cute" but psycologically disturbed fluffball being walked by Tristain and Camilla.

I've had the road crossing, and still get it. I'm completely accepting that not everyone will like my dog just as parents should aware that not everyone will like their children. If someone has a fear, then I'd rather they told me than not. Then I'll happily have him sit quietly while they pass. Worst of all is those who are fearful, but pretend not to be.

What I won't stand for is some illeducated daily mail/daily express reader or just some generally illeducated **** shouting abuse at me, my dog, or my partner because of their prejudices - and believe me it does happen.

By all means cross the road. Keeps your manky germ infested kids away from me and my dog

I place my kids less at risk by smaller dogs, that don't have the capability to fit their faces in their jaws. And of they tried attacking they would be far easier to deal with with a heavy foot.

And by your own point about different types of dogs acting how you wouldn't expect, that just tells me that you can never be sure how any type of dog is going to behave, which confirms that it's probably best to just not trust any of them!

We've discussed this a couple of times before in the past, I'm not going to change your mind, and you not mine. I don't like dogs, you do, all I ask of dog owners is to not assume everyone likes them and wants to be subjected to them.
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Bring on legislation for dog ownership. Compulsory micro chipping, compulsory registration, compulsory neutering for non KC registered dogs and compulsory DNA records. Outlawing puppy farmers and back street breeders would be a good place to start. In Sweden they have done all this and they don't have any dog wardens apparently. Can someone confirm?
At the moment there's more legislation attached to owning a mobile phone than there is for dog ownership. As a dog owner and rescue volunteer Ive seen the worse and best of dog ownership.

Both dog lovers and haters might learn something from this article.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...4IDRY.facebook

Rant over

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Originally Posted by edsel
Bring on legislation for dog ownership. Compulsory micro chipping, compulsory registration, compulsory neutering for non KC registered dogs and compulsory DNA records. Outlawing puppy farmers and back street breeders would be a good place to start. In Sweden they have done all this and they don't have any dog wardens apparently. Can someone confirm?
At the moment there's more legislation attached to owning a mobile phone than there is for dog ownership. As a dog owner and rescue volunteer Ive seen the worse and best of dog ownership.

Both dog lovers and haters might learn something from this article.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...4IDRY.facebook

Rant over
You were doing OK until you posted a lnk to the Mirror
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Originally Posted by cookstar
I place my kids less at risk by smaller dogs, that don't have the capability to fit their faces in their jaws. And of they tried attacking they would be far easier to deal with with a heavy foot.

And by your own point about different types of dogs acting how you wouldn't expect, that just tells me that you can never be sure how any type of dog is going to behave, which confirms that it's probably best to just not trust any of them!

We've discussed this a couple of times before in the past, I'm not going to change your mind, and you not mine. I don't like dogs, you do, all I ask of dog owners is to not assume everyone likes them and wants to be subjected to them.
Exactly. As a passer-by, how would you know if a rotti is as 'soft as butter' or one that's aggressive? I've always taught my kids to be cautious of any dogs, especially ones that could easily overpower them. At the end of the day, no amount of dog training will detract from the fact that they're still instictively predatory animals and with sharp teeth set in powerful jaws designed for killing and without knowing the dog and it's owner, it always pays for your kids to cautious even if it's on a lead IMO.
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If it is not on a lead then it is not under control and the owners are responsible for it's actions..
Always carry a tin of BiteBack. I do when walking with my tiny toddler..and at work!
http://www.bite-back.net/product.php
I don't work for them I just love the product!

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Originally Posted by SirFozzalot
When I was a kid (about 6 or 7), I was walking down the street near my parents house and I was "attacked" by a German shepherd that was on a lead and beside its fu*kwit of an owner. Totally unprovoked on my part, simply walking past. I was left laying on a front lawn with cuts all over my arms and legs with a fair bit of blood coming out of my arms. The owner eventually pulled the psycho pet off of me and just walked on and left me there. Didn't even ask if I was ok.

Nothing was done about the dog or it's owner. Didn't know where they lived and didn't see them again, but then it was the 80's, things were different back then I suppose. My parents were understandably not happy and I don't know what would have become of the dog or its owner had my dad got a hold of them
Yeah, but you did the right thing as if you had crossed the road the owner might have felt insulted
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Yeah, but you did the right thing as if you had crossed the road the owner might have felt insulted

I don't know what is wrong with people anymore, everyone gets offended at the slightest of things nowadays, we are turning into an island of ******* women.
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Originally Posted by cookstar
We've discussed this a couple of times before in the past, I'm not going to change your mind, and you not mine. I don't like dogs, you do, all I ask of dog owners is to not assume everyone likes them and wants to be subjected to them.
Exactly - my 2 are restrained if we know guests are coming to the property until we establish whether the guests have any "issues" with dogs. If all OK then they are correctly introduced and then the dogs leave them alone.

Originally Posted by edsel
Bring on legislation for dog ownership. Compulsory micro chipping, compulsory registration, compulsory neutering for non KC registered dogs and compulsory DNA records. Outlawing puppy farmers and back street breeders would be a good place to start. In Sweden they have done all this and they don't have any dog wardens apparently. Can someone confirm?
At the moment there's more legislation attached to owning a mobile phone than there is for dog ownership. As a dog owner and rescue volunteer Ive seen the worse and best of dog ownership.

Both dog lovers and haters might learn something from this article.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...4IDRY.facebook

Rant over
Spot on and do something similar for producing kids as well then we might end up with a decent population that contribute to the well being of others rather than just over-breading of a bunch of social cases living off the state.

Originally Posted by RA Dunk

I don't know what is wrong with people anymore, everyone gets offended at the slightest of things nowadays, we are turning into an island of ******* women.
Too late IMHO

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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
Not as far left field as you may think, dogs are being used to detect various illness because of their sense of smell, saw a program about it a few years ago, it is also as I mentioned something that happens throughout the animal kingdom, cats do it too.

Not saying that's the case in this instance as it seems to me like crass stupidity was to blame, real shame as everyone is a loser, I don't see it as the fault of the dog, as mentioned you can't place human values on any animal as to do so is suggesting they share the same thought process, which they don't.
Indeed. In nature, animals are pretty ruthless at dealing with perceived weakness.
One sometimes reads of fatal attacks by dogs on their owners, when their owners gave succumbed to an epileptic fit.
Similar kind of thing I guess.


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