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20 February 2014, 02:54 PM
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I doubt very much in the instance as posted by the OP if the Malamute attacked the child as it thought it was weak and needed culling - more likely the dog was not used to being around young children and lack of supervision by the owner/parents led to a tragic situation.
20 February 2014, 03:29 PM
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I think in the context of the original post that you're mixing illnesses/weaknesses with babies - most animals can perceive if something is not-mature and react accordingly. How many times have you seen kittens playing with mature dogs, grown cats allowing chicks to climb over them even the folklore tales of wolves rearing human babies are part based on fact. As part of their natural defences newly born/young of most breeds give off a certain smell and tell tale signs and this includes babies. Dogs/cats and horses (of which I have a fair amount of experience) react very differently to babies and are much more tolerant of them.
I doubt very much in the instance as posted by the OP if the Malamute attacked the child as it thought it was weak and needed culling - more likely the dog was not used to being around young children and lack of supervision by the owner/parents led to a tragic situation.
I doubt very much in the instance as posted by the OP if the Malamute attacked the child as it thought it was weak and needed culling - more likely the dog was not used to being around young children and lack of supervision by the owner/parents led to a tragic situation.
20 February 2014, 04:05 PM
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I place my kids less at risk by smaller dogs, that don't have the capability to fit their faces in their jaws. And of they tried attacking they would be far easier to deal with with a heavy foot.
And by your own point about different types of dogs acting how you wouldn't expect, that just tells me that you can never be sure how any type of dog is going to behave, which confirms that it's probably best to just not trust any of them!
We've discussed this a couple of times before in the past, I'm not going to change your mind, and you not mine. I don't like dogs, you do, all I ask of dog owners is to not assume everyone likes them and wants to be subjected to them.
And by your own point about different types of dogs acting how you wouldn't expect, that just tells me that you can never be sure how any type of dog is going to behave, which confirms that it's probably best to just not trust any of them!
We've discussed this a couple of times before in the past, I'm not going to change your mind, and you not mine. I don't like dogs, you do, all I ask of dog owners is to not assume everyone likes them and wants to be subjected to them.
A healthy respect for all dogs is something kids should be taught. Fear is a different thing though.
20 February 2014, 04:20 PM
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Maybe I've come across as a dog hater here and I'm certainly not , let me explain my point further
A dog is an animal that CAN at anytime in a split second (for any number of unknown reasons ) act in a unpredictable aggressive manor
The only 100% guaranteed safe way to keep a dog with small children is to have them completely separated of ANY contact 100% of the time
No amount of "being careful" or "acting responsible" will give you that 100% guarantee that you child will come to no harm
The fact of matter is that you are taking a risk to your child's safety , many people are happy to take that risk , and that's there choice to make but IMO it's unnecessary
We had dogs growing up , i rolled around the house playing with our German shepherd from a puppy for 4 years , it slept in my bed , soft as **** , wouldn't hurt a fly , loved kids , we had a neighbour who got one from the same litter , we used to go round and play at there house/garden pretty much every day , again around the dogs , one day the neighbours dog grabbed me by the face and dragged me round the garden , very nearly lost my sight , my parents kicked the dog to get it off me and I was rushed to hospital
In those days things like that were never even reported a lot of the time , they had that dog for years and years and there's actually 4 kids that have been born and bought up around that dog since and as far as I know it's never gone for any of them , that's the point , there unpredictable
If you want 100% guarantee that no harm will come to your child you need to do more than get rid of the dog.
You'll need to place it in a locked padded cell. Better not buy it any toys, or a bycicle when its older. Or let it outside to play. I could go on.
I get it - you're not comfortable with having a dog and a child in the same place - fair enough. That's your perogative.
Personally I've got no problem with the concept provided the situation is supervised. We've got friends with small children and babies. They're quite happy for the dog to be around them. Would I ever leave them unsupervised? No. Would I let them be together supervised? Absolutely.
Any animal and any human can act in an unpredictable manner. Not just dogs. If you adopt your attitude you might as well never get out of bed.
20 February 2014, 04:52 PM
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As F1 said, they are all "old softies" and "wouldn't hurt a fly" until they lash out one day.
The amount of times I've been out at the park with my son and a dog's come running up to him is crazy. I always make sure I'm there between him and the dog before it gets there. Then you usually get the "don't worry, he loves kids" from the irresponsible owner. I'd like to think all the dogs I've had over the years wouldn't hurt someone elses child but I would never let my dog run up to a child, makes me very angry. If you have a dog and walk it out of control in areas where children are, you are out of order.
All these fashionable dogs are just ridiculous too. Years ago it was Staffies, now it's these Alaskan Malamutes, Japanese Akitas and the top chav choice.. The Husky.
See it all the time when I'm driving to work through rough areas, some dole scronging, work shy ****** looking like a model from JD sports being dragged along by a Husky trying to keep the 'elbows out, total prat' swagger while trying to keep a can of Stella upright and update facebook on his iphone. The dog's must really love the run of the 2 bed semi and 15ft rear garden. What makes me laugh is these dogs are expensive to buy and keep in decent food and the state is funding most of them.
I've nothing against specific dogs but I'd love to see a proper licence system for odd ball breeds.
The amount of times I've been out at the park with my son and a dog's come running up to him is crazy. I always make sure I'm there between him and the dog before it gets there. Then you usually get the "don't worry, he loves kids" from the irresponsible owner. I'd like to think all the dogs I've had over the years wouldn't hurt someone elses child but I would never let my dog run up to a child, makes me very angry. If you have a dog and walk it out of control in areas where children are, you are out of order.
All these fashionable dogs are just ridiculous too. Years ago it was Staffies, now it's these Alaskan Malamutes, Japanese Akitas and the top chav choice.. The Husky.
See it all the time when I'm driving to work through rough areas, some dole scronging, work shy ****** looking like a model from JD sports being dragged along by a Husky trying to keep the 'elbows out, total prat' swagger while trying to keep a can of Stella upright and update facebook on his iphone. The dog's must really love the run of the 2 bed semi and 15ft rear garden. What makes me laugh is these dogs are expensive to buy and keep in decent food and the state is funding most of them.
I've nothing against specific dogs but I'd love to see a proper licence system for odd ball breeds.
20 February 2014, 05:14 PM
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P.S I'm half black so I get to use the 'N' word for free.
20 February 2014, 06:41 PM
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It always surprises me how stupid some people are. I mean what are they thinking?
20 February 2014, 07:09 PM
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This is "more likely" based upon your years of working in the African plains or the Amazonian rain forest as back here in the so-called civilised world I'm not aware of many occasions where domesticated animals eat their off-spring or those of other species ????
20 February 2014, 07:52 PM
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What a lovely image - maybe the lawyer for the couple in the OPs original post could use that as a defence.
This is "more likely" based upon your years of working in the African plains or the Amazonian rain forest as back here in the so-called civilised world I'm not aware of many occasions where domesticated animals eat their off-spring or those of other species ????
This is "more likely" based upon your years of working in the African plains or the Amazonian rain forest as back here in the so-called civilised world I'm not aware of many occasions where domesticated animals eat their off-spring or those of other species ????
20 February 2014, 07:56 PM
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Crikey I need to get out more ... in that case my apologies never seen it nor heard of it before today for "domestic animals" 
Maybe we could teach a few of the benefit claimers to do the same could provide nourishment for them as well as reducing the number of future benefit seekers - see I knew cannibalism was good for something
Maybe we could teach a few of the benefit claimers to do the same could provide nourishment for them as well as reducing the number of future benefit seekers - see I knew cannibalism was good for something
20 February 2014, 08:07 PM
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What a lovely image - maybe the lawyer for the couple in the OPs original post could use that as a defence.
This is "more likely" based upon your years of working in the African plains or the Amazonian rain forest as back here in the so-called civilised world I'm not aware of many occasions where domesticated animals eat their off-spring or those of other species ????
This is "more likely" based upon your years of working in the African plains or the Amazonian rain forest as back here in the so-called civilised world I'm not aware of many occasions where domesticated animals eat their off-spring or those of other species ????
The reason for this thread clearly has gone right over your head! A domesticated dog killed a baby, it's not the first time and it won't be the last. 
20 February 2014, 08:41 PM
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However I really don't believe for one single second that the reason that this Malamute killed this poor child was linked to your aforementioned "theory".
Just how many years experience have you actually got in owning, training and living with large powerful dogs or are your expert insights based solely upon things you've read?
20 February 2014, 08:55 PM
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If you take the time to read, before jumping on your keyboard, you will find that I apologised at my lack of knowledge of events involving certain animals killing (eating, microwaving or boiling) the off-spring of other species and/or their own as it was not something I'd ever come across in the domestic animal world.
However I really don't believe for one single second that the reason that this Malamute killed this poor child was linked to your aforementioned "theory".
Just how many years experience have you actually got in owning, training and living with large powerful dogs or are your expert insights based solely upon things you've read?
However I really don't believe for one single second that the reason that this Malamute killed this poor child was linked to your aforementioned "theory".
Just how many years experience have you actually got in owning, training and living with large powerful dogs or are your expert insights based solely upon things you've read?
20 February 2014, 09:00 PM
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So in short you've no personal experience whatsoever - yet you feel that this thread is over my head, lol
20 February 2014, 09:11 PM
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Well evidence says yes, Did you not just say you lacked knowledge of events of certain animals killing the offspring of other animals and was something you've not come across in the domestic world? Is this thread not about a domesticated dog killing a baby?
20 February 2014, 09:20 PM
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This thread is about a large powerful domestic dog killing a baby but as you have neither experience of large powerful domestic dogs nor babies being killed by one and your input seems to be solely based upon things other people have experienced or you have read, forgive me for not finding the relevance or credence to your posts regarding the subject.
20 February 2014, 09:33 PM
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Yes I did indeed say that I was not aware of this event which by definition clarifies that it is not a "well known fact!"
This thread is about a large powerful domestic dog killing a baby but as you have neither experience of large powerful domestic dogs nor babies being killed by one and your input seems to be solely based upon things other people have experienced or you have read, forgive me for not finding the relevance or credence to your posts regarding the subject.
This thread is about a large powerful domestic dog killing a baby but as you have neither experience of large powerful domestic dogs nor babies being killed by one and your input seems to be solely based upon things other people have experienced or you have read, forgive me for not finding the relevance or credence to your posts regarding the subject.
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20 February 2014, 09:42 PM
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I have many years experience of training and living with large powerful dogs and am extremely pleased to say that I have no experience of any of my dogs harming anyone other than when they were commanded to do so.
So my posts will have half relevance whereas yours will have none whatsoever
21 February 2014, 06:08 AM
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If you take the time to read, before jumping on your keyboard, you will find that I apologised at my lack of knowledge of events involving certain animals killing (eating, microwaving or boiling) the off-spring of other species and/or their own as it was not something I'd ever come across in the domestic animal world.
However I really don't believe for one single second that the reason that this Malamute killed this poor child was linked to your aforementioned "theory".
Just how many years experience have you actually got in owning, training and living with large powerful dogs or are your expert insights based solely upon things you've read?
However I really don't believe for one single second that the reason that this Malamute killed this poor child was linked to your aforementioned "theory".
Just how many years experience have you actually got in owning, training and living with large powerful dogs or are your expert insights based solely upon things you've read?
well not too much I think it is linked via anthromurphythingymajig (sp) 
humanising animals is the problem here and it would appear a distinct lack of intelligence ( ohtheirony ) and understanding which always seems to be present in such cases.The fact remains whether it be a Malamute, Pit bull or a Jack Russell they are all capable of killing a human and indeed have done so, so why on earth people still continue to leave their offspring in vulnerable situations with dogs is beyond me, you wouldn't leave your child with your pet Lion so why do it with your pet Wolf.
Then they blame the Wolf for acting like a Wolf.
21 February 2014, 08:11 AM
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So let me get this right.
So dogs are great and lovable until they sense weakness at which point they will try to kill you as it's their natural instinct. WTF!
WMi - I told you Rabbits make better pets than dogs. Nobody has ever been hurt by a rabbit.
So dogs are great and lovable until they sense weakness at which point they will try to kill you as it's their natural instinct. WTF!
WMi - I told you Rabbits make better pets than dogs. Nobody has ever been hurt by a rabbit.
21 February 2014, 09:27 AM
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So to summarise:
Everyone is entitled to have a dog, some people dislike dogs and it's the responsibility of the dog owner to assume everyone dislikes them, unless told other wise.
It is also the assumption that no matter how friendly a dog, that they are a risk to a child and should never be left alone with one.
I'd also say that it's the responsibility of a parent to make sure their child has a respect for all animals and is aware of the risks, any parent bringing their child up to be fearful of dogs isn't doing a very good job.
It's also apparent that certain breeds of dog are associated with violence, which is down to the type of owners they have and have had through the years.
Everyone is entitled to have a dog, some people dislike dogs and it's the responsibility of the dog owner to assume everyone dislikes them, unless told other wise.
It is also the assumption that no matter how friendly a dog, that they are a risk to a child and should never be left alone with one.
I'd also say that it's the responsibility of a parent to make sure their child has a respect for all animals and is aware of the risks, any parent bringing their child up to be fearful of dogs isn't doing a very good job.
It's also apparent that certain breeds of dog are associated with violence, which is down to the type of owners they have and have had through the years.
21 February 2014, 10:39 AM
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So to summarise:
Everyone is entitled to have a dog, some people dislike dogs and it's the responsibility of the dog owner to assume everyone dislikes them, unless told other wise.
It is also the assumption that no matter how friendly a dog, that they are a risk to a child and should never be left alone with one.
I'd also say that it's the responsibility of a parent to make sure their child has a respect for all animals and is aware of the risks, any parent bringing their child up to be fearful of dogs isn't doing a very good job.
It's also apparent that certain breeds of dog are associated with violence, which is down to the type of owners they have and have had through the years.
Everyone is entitled to have a dog, some people dislike dogs and it's the responsibility of the dog owner to assume everyone dislikes them, unless told other wise.
It is also the assumption that no matter how friendly a dog, that they are a risk to a child and should never be left alone with one.
I'd also say that it's the responsibility of a parent to make sure their child has a respect for all animals and is aware of the risks, any parent bringing their child up to be fearful of dogs isn't doing a very good job.
It's also apparent that certain breeds of dog are associated with violence, which is down to the type of owners they have and have had through the years.
21 February 2014, 10:51 AM
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They also do a cracking job at keeping weeds and grass in the garden at bay. Their poop fertilizes the soil.
21 February 2014, 10:51 AM
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