Riots in the Ukraine
23 February 2014, 08:44 AM
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23 February 2014, 01:17 PM
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My extended family are still over there. There had been no contact since 1945 until two years ago, as my grandparents were take from Ukraine to a German PoW camp. They lost contact with the rest of the family and we only git back in touch through the worst possible source - facebook. We get bits of news passed down the grapevine and it seems to be different to what the press and media portay.
23 February 2014, 02:28 PM
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Why would the EU want Ukraine to join the European project at all?
My limited knowledge tells me that the place is broke with few natural resources. It will be in an even worse financial state if Russia withdraws its support. It would be a huge drain on EC funds, a political nightmare and take decades to straighten out.
Or have I got my assumptions wrong?
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My limited knowledge tells me that the place is broke with few natural resources. It will be in an even worse financial state if Russia withdraws its support. It would be a huge drain on EC funds, a political nightmare and take decades to straighten out.
Or have I got my assumptions wrong?
dl
23 February 2014, 03:03 PM
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Why would the EU want Ukraine to join the European project at all?
My limited knowledge tells me that the place is broke with few natural resources. It will be in an even worse financial state if Russia withdraws its support. It would be a huge drain on EC funds, a political nightmare and take decades to straighten out.
Or have I got my assumptions wrong?
dl
My limited knowledge tells me that the place is broke with few natural resources. It will be in an even worse financial state if Russia withdraws its support. It would be a huge drain on EC funds, a political nightmare and take decades to straighten out.
Or have I got my assumptions wrong?
dl
23 February 2014, 04:54 PM
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28 February 2014, 11:21 PM
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Looks like Russia will Annex Crimea and the East of Ukraine IMHO..
I'm too old for all this but 40 years ago we learnt words like Lebensraum, Sudetenland......
Shaun
I'm too old for all this but 40 years ago we learnt words like Lebensraum, Sudetenland......
Shaun
01 March 2014, 01:48 PM
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Russia ' s motives are like those employed in Georgia. They are trying to provoke the pro western Ukrainians to fight whilst encouraging Russian sympathists in the south and eastern regions.
Russia can't stand the thought of losing another state to the west. Very serious situation. Hopefully the Ukraine's will not be bluffed into a fight and Russia lose interest with international outcry.
Russia can't stand the thought of losing another state to the west. Very serious situation. Hopefully the Ukraine's will not be bluffed into a fight and Russia lose interest with international outcry.
01 March 2014, 03:04 PM
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Historically there has always been a lot of distrust between the two ethnic groups
Not helped by the western Ukrainians "support" for the *****, as they rampaged through the region in 1941/2
Old wounds are slow to heal
Not helped by the western Ukrainians "support" for the *****, as they rampaged through the region in 1941/2
Old wounds are slow to heal
02 March 2014, 01:37 AM
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If it wasn't for the ***** imprisoning my west Ukrainian grandparents in a PoW camp, I wouldn't be able to type this message.
02 March 2014, 07:45 PM
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The only reason half of the Ukraine became Russian was because Stalin wiped out millions of Ukrainians in a genocide-famine, they were then replaced with Russians.
09 March 2014, 11:47 AM
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Just watching Hague pompously saying that Russia have made a big miscalculation over Crimea/Ukraine and they are going to regret it. He followed it up with the usual guff about sanctions but ruled out military action.
So basically he is saying the West are very 'cross' with Russia.
The bloke is an imbecile!
So basically he is saying the West are very 'cross' with Russia.
The bloke is an imbecile!
09 March 2014, 12:22 PM
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Just watching Hague pompously saying that Russia have made a big miscalculation over Crimea/Ukraine and they are going to regret it. He followed it up with the usual guff about sanctions but ruled out military action.
So basically he is saying the West are very 'cross' with Russia.
The bloke is an imbecile!
So basically he is saying the West are very 'cross' with Russia.
The bloke is an imbecile!
dl
09 March 2014, 12:58 PM
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If one looks to the future then it's on the cards that Crimea will be a Russian annexe and the rest of Ukraine will become part of the EC.
So it is likely that living standards in Ukraine itself will inexorably rise as EC money pours in and Crimean citizens will default to a miserable Russian existence?
So they may come to regret voting YES to a Russian state. Again, a bit like Scotland
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So it is likely that living standards in Ukraine itself will inexorably rise as EC money pours in and Crimean citizens will default to a miserable Russian existence?
So they may come to regret voting YES to a Russian state. Again, a bit like Scotland
dl
09 March 2014, 01:27 PM
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If one looks to the future then it's on the cards that Crimea will be a Russian annexe and the rest of Ukraine will become part of the EC.
So it is likely that living standards in Ukraine itself will inexorably rise as EC money pours in and Crimean citizens will default to a miserable Russian existence?
So they may come to regret voting YES to a Russian state. Again, a bit like Scotland
dl
So it is likely that living standards in Ukraine itself will inexorably rise as EC money pours in and Crimean citizens will default to a miserable Russian existence?
So they may come to regret voting YES to a Russian state. Again, a bit like Scotland
dl
What I don't understand is the USA et al and its diatribe of carefully-spoken-yet-malign statements that say this referendum is illegal and will not be internationaly recognised; This is all from countries that purports democracy.
Meanwhile in Scotland they are having a referendum and apparently thats all OK.
In my eyes they are both unified states having a referendum to be come a separatist state. What's the difference?
I also somewhat understand Putin's statments and his actions - the current acting president of the Ukraine is only there through forcing the president to flee under duress. Why are democratic principled countries suporting a forced regime change without an election?
09 March 2014, 02:35 PM
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Just watching Hague pompously saying that Russia have made a big miscalculation over Crimea/Ukraine and they are going to regret it. He followed it up with the usual guff about sanctions but ruled out military action.
So basically he is saying the West are very 'cross' with Russia.
The bloke is an imbecile!
So basically he is saying the West are very 'cross' with Russia.
The bloke is an imbecile!
09 March 2014, 02:40 PM
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What I don't understand is the USA et al and its diatribe of carefully-spoken-yet-malign statements that say this referendum is illegal and will not be internationaly recognised; This is all from countries that purports democracy.
Meanwhile in Scotland they are having a referendum and apparently thats all OK.
In my eyes they are both unified states having a referendum to be come a separatist state. What's the difference?
I also somewhat understand Putin's statments and his actions - the current acting president of the Ukraine is only there through forcing the president to flee under duress. Why are democratic principled countries suporting a forced regime change without an election?
Meanwhile in Scotland they are having a referendum and apparently thats all OK.
In my eyes they are both unified states having a referendum to be come a separatist state. What's the difference?
I also somewhat understand Putin's statments and his actions - the current acting president of the Ukraine is only there through forcing the president to flee under duress. Why are democratic principled countries suporting a forced regime change without an election?
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09 March 2014, 04:23 PM
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All Hague needs to say is the UK government doesn't approve of Russia's actions, all the 'bad miscalculation' and 'they will regret it' rhetoric is pompous nonsense unless it's backed up with something substantial... Putin must be laughing his **** off at the West as there is nothing we are prepared to do that will make them do anything other than what they want. FFS the Ukrainians even refused to boycott the Paralympics LOL!
09 March 2014, 10:17 PM
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