Missing Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 - question?
27 March 2014, 02:58 PM
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For this last week or so their have been various reports of debris being spotted in the ocean, various sizes and various amounts but as yet their hasn't been any confirmation of what the debris is.
Why is it taking so long to either confirm or rule out the debris as being from flight MH370 given how many ships and planes they have had in these areas ?
Why is it taking so long to either confirm or rule out the debris as being from flight MH370 given how many ships and planes they have had in these areas ?
27 March 2014, 04:35 PM
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For this last week or so their have been various reports of debris being spotted in the ocean, various sizes and various amounts but as yet their hasn't been any confirmation of what the debris is.
Why is it taking so long to either confirm or rule out the debris as being from flight MH370 given how many ships and planes they have had in these areas ?
Why is it taking so long to either confirm or rule out the debris as being from flight MH370 given how many ships and planes they have had in these areas ?
27 March 2014, 05:48 PM
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Amazing that thousands of folks have been searching for the plane for the last two weeks and an American chap finds it without having to leave his bedroom.
27 March 2014, 05:55 PM
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27 March 2014, 06:15 PM
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Has it occurred to him that the aircraft may have been purchased or is over there to get re-fitted etc..
27 March 2014, 06:19 PM
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i still find it difficult to comprehend that they havent found a single body yet despite all these 'debris' rumours which would indicate the plane broke up on contact with the water.I can't believe all 239 people on board are at the bottom of the sea
27 March 2014, 06:51 PM
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they are searching an area the size of central Europe - not the serpentine
27 March 2014, 08:27 PM
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I heard a discussion last night and a chap was saying that after the Air France sea crash a report was prepared which recommended that the black boxes should be designed so that they sent a message to earth via satellite giving key information as a stream. Chap said this was all possible but he thought it would take another few crashes for airlines to wake up and do it. Imagine the hassle, and cost, this would have saved on the Malaysian tragedy.
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28 March 2014, 10:30 AM
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Well it seems they really have no idea where it is. They now moved the search area 600 ish miles NE. That's great but the just spent a week searching the wrong area.
I guess there is not a lot more they can do because without much info they can hardly search the entire s. Pacific. Fingers crossed this new area gives some better results.
I guess there is not a lot more they can do because without much info they can hardly search the entire s. Pacific. Fingers crossed this new area gives some better results.
28 March 2014, 11:16 AM
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so the search area has been widened to an area the size of central and western Europe combined
in a part of the world so remote - some of it will have NEVER been set eyes on by a human before
yet we have people who can't comprehend why no "body" has been spotted
for reference it took the Americans a year to find the missing body and plane wreckage of Steve Fossett
(in fact the search teams never found it - it was stumbled on by a hitch hiker)
where was he flying when he crashed - the north pole, antarctica, outer Mongolia, the moon
no Nevada -- wow where the fvck is that?
in a part of the world so remote - some of it will have NEVER been set eyes on by a human before
yet we have people who can't comprehend why no "body" has been spotted
for reference it took the Americans a year to find the missing body and plane wreckage of Steve Fossett
(in fact the search teams never found it - it was stumbled on by a hitch hiker)
where was he flying when he crashed - the north pole, antarctica, outer Mongolia, the moon
no Nevada -- wow where the fvck is that?
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28 March 2014, 11:23 AM
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SAR is much easier at sea due to the lack of clutter and terrain though.
The problem here could well be if its been ditched in a controlled way there might be very little left on the surface.
The problem here could well be if its been ditched in a controlled way there might be very little left on the surface.
28 March 2014, 11:59 AM
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where waves can - and regularly do hit 60, 70, 80 feet
28 March 2014, 12:05 PM
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and this
Simply put they wont know where it is till they find it, anything spotted floating in the sea is just that, floating in the sea. It's no comfort to the families but they need to realise there is no information to give because they simply dont have any.
Simply put they wont know where it is till they find it, anything spotted floating in the sea is just that, floating in the sea. It's no comfort to the families but they need to realise there is no information to give because they simply dont have any.
28 March 2014, 12:20 PM
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and this
Losing Cargo in rough sea - YouTube
Simply put they wont know where it is till they find it, anything spotted floating in the sea is just that, floating in the sea. It's no comfort to the families but they need to realise there is no information to give because they simply dont have any.
Losing Cargo in rough sea - YouTube
Simply put they wont know where it is till they find it, anything spotted floating in the sea is just that, floating in the sea. It's no comfort to the families but they need to realise there is no information to give because they simply dont have any.
28 March 2014, 01:04 PM
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What i'm surprised by with all this is that we are lead to believe in this day and age everything that is up in the sky is tracked end to end of it's journey. However this aircraft has gone off route and nobody knew about it, no radar picked it up, civilian or military and that it was free to fly wherever it liked unchallenged.
If it has gone down the West of Australia how come Malaysian/Indonesian/Australian military radar didn't pick up an identified aircraft travelling through it's airspace once it had left it's designated flight path North of Malaysia when it then headed West?
Either it was tracked and there is more to this, it flew below radar (don't believe this for a second) or the technology they say is keeping the skies safe simply isn't and aircraft can go off course unchallenged in large swathes of the World, seemingly anywhere that isn't the US or Europe.
If it has gone down the West of Australia how come Malaysian/Indonesian/Australian military radar didn't pick up an identified aircraft travelling through it's airspace once it had left it's designated flight path North of Malaysia when it then headed West?
Either it was tracked and there is more to this, it flew below radar (don't believe this for a second) or the technology they say is keeping the skies safe simply isn't and aircraft can go off course unchallenged in large swathes of the World, seemingly anywhere that isn't the US or Europe.
28 March 2014, 02:03 PM
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What i'm surprised by with all this is that we are lead to believe in this day and age everything that is up in the sky is tracked end to end of it's journey. However this aircraft has gone off route and nobody knew about it, no radar picked it up, civilian or military and that it was free to fly wherever it liked unchallenged.
If it has gone down the West of Australia how come Malaysian/Indonesian/Australian military radar didn't pick up an identified aircraft travelling through it's airspace once it had left it's designated flight path North of Malaysia when it then headed West?
Either it was tracked and there is more to this, it flew below radar (don't believe this for a second) or the technology they say is keeping the skies safe simply isn't and aircraft can go off course unchallenged in large swathes of the World, seemingly anywhere that isn't the US or Europe.
If it has gone down the West of Australia how come Malaysian/Indonesian/Australian military radar didn't pick up an identified aircraft travelling through it's airspace once it had left it's designated flight path North of Malaysia when it then headed West?
Either it was tracked and there is more to this, it flew below radar (don't believe this for a second) or the technology they say is keeping the skies safe simply isn't and aircraft can go off course unchallenged in large swathes of the World, seemingly anywhere that isn't the US or Europe.
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28 March 2014, 02:20 PM
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The latest conspiracy theory
The American is withdrawing from the Afghanistan, one of their command and control system (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Talebans when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Talebans ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.
What the Talebans want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russian or the Chinese. The Russian is too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.
Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the American has engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.
The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American will not hijack or harm the civilian. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.
There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.
When MH370 is about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.
How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeing could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.
The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.
The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.
The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead person will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.
The American has put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The Australian is the co-actor.
The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that the China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.
What the Talebans want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russian or the Chinese. The Russian is too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.
Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the American has engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.
The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American will not hijack or harm the civilian. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.
There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.
When MH370 is about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.
How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeing could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.
The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.
The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.
The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead person will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.
The American has put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The Australian is the co-actor.
The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that the China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.
28 March 2014, 02:34 PM
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The American is withdrawing from the Afghanistan, one of their command and control system (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Talebans when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Talebans ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.
What the Talebans want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russian or the Chinese. The Russian is too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.
Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the American has engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.
The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American will not hijack or harm the civilian. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.
What the Talebans want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russian or the Chinese. The Russian is too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.
Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the American has engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.
The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American will not hijack or harm the civilian. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.
28 March 2014, 03:19 PM
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I think they are moving the search to the suspected area where its supposedly crashed to increase chances of getting a signal from the black box before the battery dies. Get the debris later.
No word on what the deleted info on the pilots simulator was though?
No word on what the deleted info on the pilots simulator was though?
28 March 2014, 03:25 PM
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somewhere in the southern Indian ocean - where the are looking#
it was tracked by radar over Malaysia
what is the distance of land based radar - do you know? - who would/could track it over the Indian ocean by radar (when the transponders where turned off)
is the middle of the Indian ocean regularly tracked
satellites tracked it (that's why the know where it is roughly) - but that is different technology
it was tracked by radar over Malaysia
what is the distance of land based radar - do you know? - who would/could track it over the Indian ocean by radar (when the transponders where turned off)
is the middle of the Indian ocean regularly tracked
satellites tracked it (that's why the know where it is roughly) - but that is different technology
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28 March 2014, 03:51 PM
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So why wasn't this unidentified aircraft challenged if it was tracked by radar? It was 'tracked' by satellite pings by the sounds of it which aren't monitored but merely recorded hence taking the time to work out where it went.
If it had been tracked by radar they would know exactly where it was the entire length of it's detoured journey and where that finally finished.
As for the latest conspiracy theory
They should make it into a novel.
Again if it was tracked by radar over Malaysia Hodgy why did it go unchallenged? An aircraft flying over a country with no transponders responding, no communication with the pilots, surely more than enough alarms bells to have been triggered to have intercepted the aircraft with military jets to escort it down to the ground and deal with it. Not just let it fly over and away and do nothing.
If it had been tracked by radar they would know exactly where it was the entire length of it's detoured journey and where that finally finished.
As for the latest conspiracy theory
They should make it into a novel.Again if it was tracked by radar over Malaysia Hodgy why did it go unchallenged? An aircraft flying over a country with no transponders responding, no communication with the pilots, surely more than enough alarms bells to have been triggered to have intercepted the aircraft with military jets to escort it down to the ground and deal with it. Not just let it fly over and away and do nothing.
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