angel1368

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could black boxes not use cloud technology rather than physically having to find it

Turbohot

She said she and her friend stayed in the cockpit for the entire one-hour flight from Phuket, Thailand, to Kuala Lumpur in December 2011.

Phuket, cockpit and then Kuala Lumpet. All three build a dodgy picture, I agree.

I'm only joking, really. I'm sure most of you have given a ride to strange wimmins in your Scooby sometimes, and those two cockpilots simply let those girls stay with them in their cockpit, like, two whole years ago. Says nothing. Not much, anyway. There's no way they would have let those two expired passport holder ugly fcckwits into their cockpit to p4ss about with their joystick, come on.

angel1368

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i think what they are getting at is this dude didnt follow riles, say he opened the door to let a couple of tarts in and once door unlocked some terrorists burts in

f1_fan

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It's not though hodgy that's the point that p1sses me off.

Every time I transit or fly to/from KL I have to take my laptop out, shoes off, belt off, be scanned, questioned etc. etc.

Now we find that there is absolutely no f**king point as I may not have a bomb but have no idea if the guy sitting next to me is who it says it is on his passport or a psycho martyr terrorist type or something in between.

Interpol were speaking today how the information about lost and stolen passorts is available to every airline and airport free of charge yet many (incluidng many in Europe) do not use it as the infrastructure to connect to it is expensive and slows down check in times...FFS!!!!

It's like 9/11 never happened!

Turbohot

That's simply a wild guess right now on the basis of what he did; two years ago. Let's wait a bit. If other ladies come forward with similar stories to grass him up, then it should become more of a possibility imo.

angel1368

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oh yes i agree everything is a guess right now

hodgy0_2

There was a russian flight that went down a few years ago, and the subsequent investigation found that the pilot was talking to passengers at the back of the plane and he had left some children In the cockpit

When the plane went into an uncontrollable dive apparently the pilot tried desperately to get back into the cockpit


Here it is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_593

Turbohot

Human error might haver been responsible for this ML plane disappearance. We can start putting 2 and 2 together, but we just don't know where those 2 and 2 are at the moment.

I still keep thinking that the plane is now resting somewhere inside the sea. Then again, it can't be, as there's no evidence none whatsoever coming up to even fraction-support this thinking. Something should have, by now, if that was the possibility.

Reflecting back, MA pilot's irresponsible behaviour incident anecdote credits at least .005% of the 2 (of 2 and 2) atm than the sea crash theory with a 0%, as the former seemed to have happened in past. So, yes, angel1368. Good find.

boomer

Weren't the 9/11 flights all internal (i.e no passport required)?

mb

f1_fan

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The point I am making is that 9/11 altered the way we have to think about terrorism. The 9/11 atrocities were carried out with no bombs or real weapons... the hijackers simply use the planes as weapons.

That is why I think it would be a very good idea to know who we are letting board flights, you know, maybe check their passsport and/or id is valid and not stolen!!!!

daviee

Nothing like cashing in on someone misery.

http://www.ft.lk/2014/03/12/ebay-auc...www-mh370-com/

hodgy0_2

But that is my point, they seem to be simply going through the motions

The "scanning" machine is probably made from some Kellogg's cornflakes boxes a few flashing lights all covered in sticky back plastic (with a bloke going "beeb" under his breath)

f1_fan

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You may well be right! Fetch me the machine that goes ping

hodgy0_2

My father in law once stood outside a post office and spent 10 mins painstakingly sorting his letters and parcels into 2nd,1st and foreign post

So that he could put the letters and parcels into the correct slots in the wall - like it instructed him to do

Imagine his amazement when a posty roared up in his van, screeched to a halt, opened all the post boxes and shoved all the letters and parcels into the SAME bag

Then roared off

Leslie

How long do you think it would take to hit the water from 30K feet up?

The person who moved the controls would have to keep the nose pushed down continuously since the airframe trim would keep pushing the nose back up as the speed increased.

It would have to be a deliberate and continuous act by the person causing the problem.

I am sure that crash debris would have been discovered by now anyway.

It could even be a hijacking to a private airfield somwhere, it is very difficult to hide a stolen aircraft in other circumstances.

Quite a mystery I must say.

Not impossible of course that one of the suspect people is able to fly an aircraft and land it reasonably safely.

Les

Turbohot

Yes, this is another thing we're guessing. But why would those two want to take on 200+ people?? Taking on one or two is a headache! 200+ is sheer madness. They would have run out of food by now. Also, exactly what they might do with them? Have they hidden the aircraft somewhere because one of a few out of those 200+ passengers are kidnap-worthy, and the other insignificant ones to the hijackers just happened to be unfortunately travelling with them?

Mystery for sure.

I've just heard that there was sighting of a burning object in the sky around the time that plane disappeared. I wonder whether something would come out of it.

angel1368

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The plane was hijacked by terrorists........ But the hijackers were either just 1 or both pilots, or the whole flight crew. they would have the ability to stop all communications with the ground, keep order on plane by not telling anyone on board your terrorists, informing the passengers the there is problem with the plane so they have to land somewhere else again keeping order. Land the plane somewhere remote, hide it and then in the near future you have a MODERN JUMBO JET ABLE TO AVOID RADAR.

bustaMOVEs

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Source?

angel1368

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my good self with my own opinion mate

neil-h

How on earth did you figure it would be able to avoid radar?

tony de wonderful

An eyewitness says he saw it on fire.

Strangely enough I've worked on the same rig, but when it was in Australia.

L.J.F

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A Yank aviation adviser was on sky news earlier and he Believes the most likely cause is either one of the pilots commiting suicide and taking everyone with him.

bustaMOVEs

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Could explain why some phones were still ringing a while after it went missing.

ALi-B

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Just where is there round there a "private" runway long enough to take a laden 777.


This isn't some poxy little 737 which can land on short runways, like Plymouth. This is one of the world's biggest twin engined passenger jet. Its engines are the biggest diameter turbofans fitted to a commercial aircraft. All prior aircraft of this size had to have at least three engines. Its not something you can simply land at any old flat piece of dirt track.

LSherratt

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Doesn't anyone remember GTA San Andreas? I picture in my head the massive commercial jumbo landing on that small dirt runway or landing it on top of Mt. Chiliad.

Or the dirt runway tracks in GTA 5 out in the desert.

jonc

And of course all the 200 or so passengers and their friends and families are all in on it. Best keep quiet as you might give STIPete ideas.

billythekid

Depends if you ever intend to use the airframe again. We know the 777 will take quite a pounding. If you are not bothered about taking off I reckon you could do it.

Also China and Korea (N and S) have been investing more in "highway airfields" where a section of road can be turned into a runway within minutes.

Skoobie Dhu

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This has been answered about 20 times on the PPRUNE thread - let me see if I can find it..

Here's a couple that explain why it happens

Short version - the ringing tone returned to the caller is bogus.

Why it happens -
Cellular phone systems first try to route a call to the last cell which was in contact with the phone. If this fails the system tries to locate the phone to other cells and then tries to divert to voicemail.
All of this searching takes time, during which a caller hearing silence would probably hang up before the call can be connected so the system returns a ringing tone to the caller. In most cases this is a successful strategy but it does mean that if the phone is not eventually found the caller is misled into believing that it is working OK but not being answered.

Quote:
Cellular phone systems first try to route a call to the last cell which was in contact with the phone. If this fails the system tries to locate the phone to other cells and then tries to divert to voicemail.


The system pages the mobile in EVERY cell of the Location Area at the outset. When not in a call, the system does NOT know which cell a mobile is in, it only knows the Location Area. Only when the mobile responds to the page should the ring tone be played to the caller (less networks which offer ringback tones). If the mobile does not respond to the page, the network can send the call to VM (if the subscriber has paid for it). When it hits the VM platform, there may be a second or two of ringing before the call is answered by the the system.

hodgy0_2

not to worry Skoobie Dhu -- i'll take this one

Bustmoves - it is "magic"

Skoobie Dhu

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The plane is being hidden by a.cloaking device...

http://beforeitsnews.com/events/2014...d-2432744.html

Most plausible to me (no tech knowledge in this area) is a major failure in the MEC (main electronic compartment) which is just behind the cockpit under the floor, maybe a fire or explosion, leading to loss of all electrics and maybe even leaving the flight crew dead or with no control of the aircraft at all. Draw a 2500 mile radius circle around KL and the plane could be anywhere in that area.