Missing Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 - question?
18 March 2014, 10:25 PM
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I guess that the trouble is you need to know the IMEI (or IMSI) of the phones for the passengers.
Luckily (despite the current situation) this is not a requirement for booking flight tickets (yet) - but you can bet that Merka are working on it!
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Luckily (despite the current situation) this is not a requirement for booking flight tickets (yet) - but you can bet that Merka are working on it!
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18 March 2014, 10:37 PM
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the fact is when that ping was last reported the singapore air line would have been there approx that time the fact that this has not been looked into is a mystery as i have said
19 March 2014, 03:01 PM
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Is it possible that it could have been hit by a ground to air missile by either terrorists or a military accident ? It would explain why some of the reports are sketchy and that information seems to be being witheld by certain countries. Just something else to throw into the theories ring.
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20 March 2014, 08:37 AM
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Aussie PM has announced two items one of which is 24m long and appears to be wreckage has been spotted 1500 miles west of Oz. Planes are already there so we should get some news shortly although it's night there now.
They sound pretty confident in their claims.
They sound pretty confident in their claims.
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20 March 2014, 09:47 AM
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That's a hideous sized detour for those traveling to bejing.
Lets hope it's not just a container
Lets hope it's not just a container
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20 March 2014, 10:38 AM
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It's not sounding good.... 
It is exactly on the edge of its range of fuel, fitting in with various hypotheses.
And they'd been concentrating on the farthest southern track for a few days.
Apparently they found the pics 4 days ago....
It is exactly on the edge of its range of fuel, fitting in with various hypotheses.And they'd been concentrating on the farthest southern track for a few days.
Apparently they found the pics 4 days ago....
20 March 2014, 10:56 AM
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Still no new news on the suspected wreckage but they have a plane on scene and a ship on the way, however, the press conference is very "it's crashed" they're not discussing anything relating to it having possibly landed anywhere, just the recovery process.
20 March 2014, 11:44 PM
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Still no further news. Apparently very bad weather didn't help the search today, which to be continued tomorrow.
I find this appalling>
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26671421
I find this appalling>
……. a British satellite firm has told the BBC there were very strong indications 10 days ago that the 777 Boeing would be found either in the southern part of the Indian Ocean or in Central Asia - and not in the South China Sea or the Malacca Straits where Malaysia had continued to search.
London-based Inmarsat said its engineers realised at an early stage that the aircraft had probably flown for several hours on a northern or southern track, and it was very unlikely that the plane could have headed north over countries with sophisticated air defence systems.
The company further said that it had informed the Malaysian authorities of the information, through an intermediary company, on 12 March, but this was not publicly acknowledged until 15 March.
Furthermore, the authorities continued to search in the South China Sea and Malacca Straits during that time, despite the information suggesting that the plane had flown on much further.
The BBC's Andrew Moore says the Malaysian authorities have already come in for criticism from the relatives' families and that these revelations may fuel that anger.
London-based Inmarsat said its engineers realised at an early stage that the aircraft had probably flown for several hours on a northern or southern track, and it was very unlikely that the plane could have headed north over countries with sophisticated air defence systems.
The company further said that it had informed the Malaysian authorities of the information, through an intermediary company, on 12 March, but this was not publicly acknowledged until 15 March.
Furthermore, the authorities continued to search in the South China Sea and Malacca Straits during that time, despite the information suggesting that the plane had flown on much further.
The BBC's Andrew Moore says the Malaysian authorities have already come in for criticism from the relatives' families and that these revelations may fuel that anger.
22 March 2014, 01:20 AM
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There seem to be so many theories but the fact they lost contact on changeover between air traffic controllers, what are the chances the plane suffered a real malfunction right at that point?
Seems to me the weight of evidence points towards some kind of deliberate act and I still don't understand if it is true why the person flying the plane would fly south heading into the ocean and certain death, that makes no sense whatsoever. If you were wanting to make a statement, surely you would fly it somewhere more public?
I wouldn't be surprised if we never find out what really happened and officially nothing is ever found.......
Seems to me the weight of evidence points towards some kind of deliberate act and I still don't understand if it is true why the person flying the plane would fly south heading into the ocean and certain death, that makes no sense whatsoever. If you were wanting to make a statement, surely you would fly it somewhere more public?
I wouldn't be surprised if we never find out what really happened and officially nothing is ever found.......
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22 March 2014, 04:57 AM
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Looking.entirely possible you're correct.
You'd kind of hope against hope that this is wrong and that it's been hijacked taken inland.
Still amazes me you can shut down all communication from the plane.Surely this will be righted in future
You'd kind of hope against hope that this is wrong and that it's been hijacked taken inland.
Still amazes me you can shut down all communication from the plane.Surely this will be righted in future
22 March 2014, 08:02 AM
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I was saying the exact same thing to the mrs last night.
I can't see why it would be possible or necessary for a commercial airliner to turn off tracking communications.
I can't see why it would be possible or necessary for a commercial airliner to turn off tracking communications.
22 March 2014, 11:30 PM
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So,
China checks new 'debris' image
Malaysia's Acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein broke off the question-and-answer segment of his briefing in Kuala Lumpur to say: "The news that I just received is that the Chinese ambassador received satellite image of floating objects in the southern corridor and they will be sending ships to verify."
He added: "Beijing is expected to make an announcement in a few hours."
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26697048
I mean, right from the beginning, anyone would think of the crash as the most credible theory. Hijack was the ‘belief’ that the Malaysian Govt. highlighted during early days; with a reasonable amount of conviction to it. If it definitely turns out be a crash with all that debri and its analysis (looks more like it; day by day), Chinese and other relatives of the victims will be so angry with Malaysian Govt. More than what they already are. Malaysian Govt gave them that unbelievable hope they have been holding on to. And now it is diminishing with all this new evidence/s emerging, and everything still taking its toll. Must be so hard for the relatives.
<sighs>
China checks new 'debris' image
Malaysia's Acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein broke off the question-and-answer segment of his briefing in Kuala Lumpur to say: "The news that I just received is that the Chinese ambassador received satellite image of floating objects in the southern corridor and they will be sending ships to verify."
He added: "Beijing is expected to make an announcement in a few hours."
I mean, right from the beginning, anyone would think of the crash as the most credible theory. Hijack was the ‘belief’ that the Malaysian Govt. highlighted during early days; with a reasonable amount of conviction to it. If it definitely turns out be a crash with all that debri and its analysis (looks more like it; day by day), Chinese and other relatives of the victims will be so angry with Malaysian Govt. More than what they already are. Malaysian Govt gave them that unbelievable hope they have been holding on to. And now it is diminishing with all this new evidence/s emerging, and everything still taking its toll. Must be so hard for the relatives.
<sighs>
23 March 2014, 01:40 AM
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I saw on Sky news two days ago when an ex marine was saying that the likes of him encounter unbelievable amount of garbage floating about in the ocean. The point that somewhat supported the plane crash theory was that the floating pieces were too big to be anything else but more like some aeroplane bits. But then those bits floated off somewhere else, or went down towards the deep; not to be seen again.
The other bloke with him (he was some avionics expert) said that they don't rule out other possibilities, but that was a very strong and credible lead. He actually demo-ed with a model plane how it would have done 180 degree manoeuvre to face the other side, and then kept flying into that debri's direction by itself whether someone alive controlled it or not.
So, as for now, we hardly know what really happened. But when you look at past plane disappearances, you do find that all disappeared planes did actually crash. That's why that seems to be the most believable guess to the most.
23 March 2014, 01:51 AM
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Yes, we just don't know. Hope they get to those bits asap and work it out.
I saw on Sky news two days ago when an ex marine was saying that the likes of him encounter unbelievable amount of garbage floating about in the ocean. The point that somewhat supported the plane crash theory was that the floating pieces were too big to be anything else but more like some aeroplane bits. But then those bits floated off somewhere else, or went down towards the deep; not to be seen again.
The other bloke with him (he was some avionics expert) said that they don't rule out other possibilities, but that was a very strong and credible lead. He actually demo-ed with a model plane how it would have done 180 degree manoeuvre to face the other side, and then kept flying into that debri's direction by itself whether someone alive controlled it or not.
So, as for now, we hardly know what really happened. But when you look at past plane disappearances, you do find that all disappeared planes did actually crash. That's why that seems to be the most believable guess to the most.
I saw on Sky news two days ago when an ex marine was saying that the likes of him encounter unbelievable amount of garbage floating about in the ocean. The point that somewhat supported the plane crash theory was that the floating pieces were too big to be anything else but more like some aeroplane bits. But then those bits floated off somewhere else, or went down towards the deep; not to be seen again.
The other bloke with him (he was some avionics expert) said that they don't rule out other possibilities, but that was a very strong and credible lead. He actually demo-ed with a model plane how it would have done 180 degree manoeuvre to face the other side, and then kept flying into that debri's direction by itself whether someone alive controlled it or not.
So, as for now, we hardly know what really happened. But when you look at past plane disappearances, you do find that all disappeared planes did actually crash. That's why that seems to be the most believable guess to the most.
24 March 2014, 01:33 PM
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would modern technology allow the "black box" to download its contents to the ground every 10 mins or so? And could it provide location as it does so?
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24 March 2014, 03:26 PM
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Missing plane lost, Malaysia says:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26716572
It seems the statement was made based on data from Inmarsat.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26716572
It seems the statement was made based on data from Inmarsat.
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24 March 2014, 03:30 PM
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Too many data streams tbh. Millions of flights with hundreds of data feeds - it would not be possible with reasonable budget given the small % chance of an accident.
Some airlines do pay for data uplink/downlink - but it often does not give detailed info like flight surface positions etc. So you will see systems fail but no idea what else was going on. This is what happened with AF447.
The PM of Malaysia has just had a press conference reporting the airliner is "lost" and is in the sea S/W of Oz.
Some airlines do pay for data uplink/downlink - but it often does not give detailed info like flight surface positions etc. So you will see systems fail but no idea what else was going on. This is what happened with AF447.
The PM of Malaysia has just had a press conference reporting the airliner is "lost" and is in the sea S/W of Oz.
24 March 2014, 04:16 PM
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