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Old 10 July 2002, 09:36 AM
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We debated this very topic this week on a mailing list.

Somebody offered that full duplex turned off the CSMA/CD hardware which causes problem when running peer-to-peer and not via a switch.

Going to half duplex speeded up copying (ask MarkO - he was doing it).

[Edited by ChrisB - 10/7/2002 9:37:25 AM]
Old 10 July 2002, 09:43 AM
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So long as both NIC implement FDX properly there is absolutely no technical reason it cant work. Some cheap nics don't.

There was a bug in NT4 which meant FDX was implemented incorrectly at the layer between NIC Driver and OS. FDX (via a switch or peer-to-peer) was therefore slower than HDX.

Spent a long time testing NIC performance a few years back for a high street bank. All the server techies kept setting the NICs to FDX then whining when performance was sh*te. More recently I saw a case where a team were testing disasetr recovery with NT4 servers restoring over a network. Again performance was cr*p with FDX. Theres a knowledge base article somewhere.

Bizarrely I've often founf that the more expensive the kit the worse auto-negotiate is. Point a £30K compaq server at a £30K cisco
switch and it will more than likey screw up. Point a £10 B&Q Nic at a netgear hub and chances are it will be fine. Go figure.

Deano

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Old 06 October 2002, 06:50 PM
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I have connected my PC and Laptop via a cross over cable. It has been set-up as 100mbps.

A 30mb file from the laptop takes 40 minutes to transfer. Is this normal?
Old 06 October 2002, 06:57 PM
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I assume you have checked that both machines are connected at 100mbit (full duplex also)

Only other thing is that windows copy is dreadful

Try copying the file using DOS copy and see if it is faster..
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Not sure about the duplex. I think it is set as hardware default.

The laptop is running Win2k Server and PC running Win2k.
Old 06 October 2002, 07:03 PM
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Turn the duplexing off on both network cards but keep at 100Mbps.
Old 06 October 2002, 07:30 PM
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Auto-negotiate on some cards is utter sh*te. Set both to 100,Full-Duplex manually.
Old 06 October 2002, 07:37 PM
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Turn the duplexing off on both network cards but keep at 100Mbps.
Duplex off? Is that full or half duplex?
Old 06 October 2002, 08:11 PM
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Picky, set it to 100Mbps, half duplex
Old 06 October 2002, 09:20 PM
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Dont care if its half or full - just set it manually to eliminate auto-negotiate interoperability cr*p.

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Switch off the full duplex! Full duplex, 100M, is designed for connections back to switches.
Old 06 October 2002, 10:33 PM
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Switch off the full duplex! Full duplex, 100M, is designed for connections back to switches.
Old 06 October 2002, 11:54 PM
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See!
Old 07 October 2002, 02:02 AM
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What software are you using to transfer the files ? I often find that peer to peer FTP session is the quickest for large files

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Old 07 October 2002, 07:34 AM
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Full-Duplex is designed for any Connection between two devices on non-shared media. Could be PC-Switch or PC-PC via X-over or switch-switch.

So long as both ends are set there wouldnt be a problem.
Old 07 October 2002, 09:42 AM
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Interestingly (or not) my sister had this problem when I was over in Ireland the other day.

She had the added complication of having a 10mbs card & a 10/100mbs card. Pi$$ing about for ages downloading drivers etc

In the end, found an old ISA BNC card & lobbed that in as the 10mbs card was a combo - luckily she still had some BNC cable & terminators
Old 07 October 2002, 09:50 AM
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Let's blame Mark's shonky kit than shall we?

Very true on the auto-neg crap. Lee know's all about that - set it all manually
Old 07 October 2002, 09:57 AM
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More than likely its dodgy home-grown software screwing the drivers up

All our SUNs talking to Cat65K always **** it up unless hard-set. Cisco Routers talking to Cats cant manage it either. I really wonder where the R&D budgets go sometimes.

Deano
Old 07 October 2002, 10:09 AM
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