The Zohan

So this is the state this country is now in; Convicted Heroin dealing and multiple robber and house burglar Brendan Fearon has won the right to sue Tony Martin

TM should have finished him off and done us all a favour!

I am so sick of this countries so called justice system. The criminals have more rights than the victims, and have the right to sue them. I cannot believe this.

Fearon chose to commit crimes, no one made him. He should live and die by his decision.,

This man is a curse on society and now they have opened the floodgates to the rest of our low life scum to do what they want!

FFS why does the system not work for and protect the law abiding decent people of this country.

I am seriously thinking about emmigtating!

Things in the UK just seem to go from bad to worse and i have no control or say!

fatherpierre

You're surprised, in the times we live in?

He'll probably win and get a good payout too

Old_Fart

Didn't Tony shoot this guy in the back, or from behind? That's just not cricket.
C

Andy Porter

No, he shot him in the leg....
Absolute joke our legal system

PS Bit piccy getting moved to hear by the mods ??

RB5320

I hadnt heard this but it doesnt surprise me in the slightest. I am constantly amazed at the ridiculous decisions made by those at the top of our legal "proffession". There seems to be no application of common sense. Taking this case as an example, all they appear to consider is that Tony Martin unlawfully shot Fearon. But they do not take into consideration the circumstances or, more importantly, the views of the vast majority of law-abiding citizens in this country. I respect the law and understand that the law itself has to be black and white, right or wrong, no middle ground. However, the "application" of the law is a different matter and those people who have been appointed to administer justice should do exactly that - administer justice. They should weigh up the merits of the case, consult the law books, but then act in the best interest of the society which put them in the position they are in. Instead they just think "oh he shot someone. That's naughty. Lock him up and pay the innocent burglar who was just going about his chosen profession lots of money. Next case please. Oh good, a speeding motorist - hang him". God this has really narked me!

Steve

The Zohan

Old Fart
Tony Martin is in prison serving a sentance for what he did. Tony Martin cannot sue Fearon for breaking into his property, scaring him half to death, attempting to rob him. so why should Fearon be able to sue Tony Martin. Martin is paying for his so crime. This is what i have a big problem with this is wrong and a misuse of the legal system IMHO.

Andy - I asked for it to be moved as i meant to post it in CWE but got it wrong


RB5320 - Well said sir!


[Edited by Paul Habgood - 6/13/2003 1:19:51 PM]

David Lock

Logically if the guy was injured by an unlawful act then logically he has a right to sue. Whether Martin should have been convicted is another matter. Hopefully the law might still have the last laugh when they award the guy 1p in damages 'cos he was asking for it. Don't take this the wrong way - I think the whole business stinks and I don't think Martin should have gone down in the first place although I suspect his actions were a bit OTT and he should have had some sort of reprimand short of a jail sentence. D

The Zohan

I believe Fearon is getting Legal Aid for this, surely this money could be better spent on people who deserve it, how the hell does this person warrant it. Have the powers that be gone completely mad.
How about some victims of crime getting some help for a change!!

BOB.T

what a fookin p1ss take[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] As I've said before, the only thing Fearon did wrong was to not finish the **** off when he had chance[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

RB(I've forgotten the numbers) Well put mate!

NACRO

There is a moral for all of us in this story- if you happen to shoot two burglars doing your house over make sure you finish the job and then bury them in the garden. No one will ever be any the wiser.

Sith

TM should have blown his head off.

turboman786

Disgraceful.

Leslie

I believe that if someone goes to burgle someone, then they have knowingly decided to break the law,both natural and the law of the land, in which case they should automatically lose their much trumpeted human rights.

When a law abiding person finds he is under attack from burglars,especially in modern times when the burglar is most likely to be prepared to use criminal violence even up to murder to get his way, then the victim should not be held to account for whatever he does to protect himself and his property.

These Roman sandal wearers who defend the rights of criminals to more or less do what they like without fear of effective penalty and even the right to sue for injury suffered during their attack on an innocent victim should be left in no doubt how normal members of society feel about their very strange ideals and preferably be given a boot up the a5se out of the control of our justice system.

Les [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

Suresh

Another deserving case for a bullet in the head.

I like what TM's local MP said on the subject, which was something like that the criminal chooses to leave his rights behind when he enters your house. Sometimes the law is indeed an ***.

Popeye P1

Paul Hapgood I am with u 100%. Common sense will prevail.

Billbill

I don't know who the "Roman Sandle Wearers" are in your society.
Sound like the "Super Liberal Pukes" we have over here that take everything to court. Especially if it is something that will be paid for out of the public pocket.

I hope there will be a few folks with the presense of mind to picket outside the court when it is in session.

wos 69

This another court case we will end up paying for?? [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

Leslie

Billbill,

The Roman sandal wearers are those in most walks of life these days who are ultra "PC". They are the ones who say that children may no longer say the nursery rhyme"Baa Baa black sheep" in case it offends or play musical chairs because it is competitive. They say that there is good in all criminals regardless of what they have done and therefore should not be punished so much as educated. However should you injure or frighten a criminal because he is trying to rob you or defend your property then you should be slung into jail!

I could go on but you will have got my message by now, and it will tie in with the ones you mention.

Les

scooby_jim

Feckin ridiculous!

[Edited by scooby_jim - 6/14/2003 12:58:54 PM]

[Edited by scooby_jim - 6/14/2003 12:59:31 PM]

Billbill

Thanks Leslie, figured about as much.
We have a bunch of those PC do gooders over here.
They are also the revisionistic history writers.
You guys have my sympathies.

TurboBoost

I hope its affected his sex life to the extent that he can't breed any more pikeys.

sharkspeed007

hi,

just thought i'd say a little something and put a bit of a legal point across, as, god help me, im a first yr law student at the mo.

Firstly, what if this happened? Your own son, in need of a bit of cash but also on the wrong side of a local gang and is told by one of the gang leader (a convicted crimianl) that he has to do a burglary similar to the one in this case. He's reluctant but goes along with it. He and the gang leader break in and manage to steal some a picture which it turns out isnt worth much. However its of great sentimental value to the farmer. The farmer wakes up and like Tony Martin shoots and hits your son in the leg. Both are later caught by the police.

Ok it seems pretty likely that both will be convicted of robbery
but thats not the key point.

After being shot doctors say that your son will never be able to walk properly and will no longer be able to work in the job that he currently has and has been trained for.

You could definitly argue that the farmer over reacted and used excessive force. But the question is should your son, because he got into this crime, albeit reluctantly, not be able to sue the farmer for the leg injury? Should he have to suffer physical pain for the rest of his life and have to find a different job?
Was his criminal conviction and time perhaps spent in jail not enough?

If the judge in the Martin case had said that Fearon would not be able to sue Martin here, then your son would have little chance. If he had been shot in the head and suffered brain damage and needed intensive care for the rest of his life such a ruling would make a successful claim unlikely. How would he afford that? Is it right that someone can use excessive force, indeed shooting, and have the defence that 'i was just protecting my property' and walk away freely after committing serious GBH?

The Law, while maybe seeming wrong in some cases, has to balance justice and public opinion against other factors, like protecting the public and the rights of defendants. What if while out walking you accidently trespassed onto a farmer's land, which was being used for GP crop production. Thinking you were trying to sabbotage his crops he shoots and hits you. He was mistaken but should you pay such a big price for your mistake?

Not allowing the defendant here the right to sue Martin would also be contrary to the European Convention of Human Rights, which shows what a serious right it is and that it should only be withdrawn as the absolutly last resort. Judges could do it but such is the appeal process that it could well be fianlly overturned in the European Court - such appeals are also very expensive.

Perhaps one of the best answers is to instead focus on improving the coverage and numbers of the police force, so that people don't feel they have to take things into their own hands, and suffer later for doing so. But money for the police is just one competing area in gov spending. Are better hospitals and schools more important?

andy

The Zohan

Shark

Increasing the Police numbers may well help and gets my vote, part of the problem is that scum like Fearon make a consoius decision to go out and commit a crime. No one forces them, it is their choice. They then commint a crime against someone who they put in a difficult situation.

In any decent sensible society the criminal leaves thier rights at the point they choose (and the important bit isd choose) to commit a crime. The sooner the law changes to protect the innocent and prececute the criminals the sooner crime levels will drop.

This is an open invitation to all criminals to do what they like while their victims stand by due to fear of being procecuted.


The law is an ***.
People deserve better. Ask the victims of crime how they feel. Tony Martin has already paid for his crime, perhaps the 40 or so victims of this git Fearon should sue him for PTSD due to his robberies. Fearon is inside at the moment serving time for Heroin dealing so it appears that Tony Maritn has mnot prevented Freaon from working.

[Edited by Paul Habgood - 6/16/2003 8:25:33 PM]

Billbill

quote
European Convention of Human Rights
end quote

I thought you guys turned down the Euro business???

Sharkspeed007 ? You set a ridiculous scenario!
I have heard your kind give the "What Ifs" in court!
Bunch of extreamist cr@p to get at the emotions of a jury!
Get off your "Liberal High Horse" and look at the reality of these situations.
The criminal was IN THE HOME of the victim! not crossing the corner of a planted field.
The criminal was there to COMMIT A CRIME! not have a conversation about "where's the petrol station?"
This was a career criminal whose career was not ended on the spot!
For this alone, the farmer should have been chastised!!!!!

CarpetCleaner

1st year law student. Mate you are still wet behind the ears you haven't got enough real world experience under your belt to understand

Don't read the fecking Guardian do you?

Popeye P1

'1st year law student. Mate you are still wet behind the ears you haven't got enough real world experience under your belt to understand

Don't read the fecking Guardian do you? '

I 2nd that. Alot of these 1st year lawyers are public school types with their heads stuck up their rearends most of the time. Just reading you're reply sharkspeed makes me want to go to the toilet and SPEW- no offence intended. You'd make an ideal defence lawyer for Pikeys.

'But money for the police is just one competing area in gov spending.'

Less of the legal aid too for you're lot too. See how you'd like that. LOL


[Edited by Popeye P1 - 6/17/2003 10:44:23 AM]

turboman786

Slightly off topic, but just out of interest, which papers do Carpet Cleaner and Popeye read?

CarpetCleaner

I read the Sun, Mirror, News of the World in the week and at weekends I get the Guardian (yes I know) the Times and Mail on Sunday (for the Financial Mail) the rest of the paper along with all the royalist crap goes in the bin

I am of the opinion that the days of softly softly should be over. The people who spout off all their pc liberal sh1te clearly live in areas where there is low crime or is an exception

They wanna try living in a poorer area or council estate where the old folk are **** scared to go out of a night or even the day for fear of getting mugged. Wince at the slightest noise at the door thinking they are gonna get done over cause people they know have been kicked around in their own home

The people who can't get house contents insurance for stuff that has cost them months in wages that may end up down the local pub being palmed off for peanuts by people who think and know they can get away with it

People like shark wanna take off their little satchel bag and open their eyes

Yes Shark you are feucking clueless mate. I hope it never happens to you but if your bird gets attacked and defiled by some sicko maybe even in your own place you might re think your attitudes

People like you talk sh1te cause you think crime will no affect you. You wanna wake up man, it's people like you who give the impression to all the low life we have given up

The Zohan

Chaps can we cut the personal attacks on each other.

Carpet you put forward some great points and make them well

Shark is entitled to his opinion (even if he is wrong)

Personal attacks just devalves the good stuff we put.

OK i Put 'piece of cr@p' in the title of this and i stand by it but Fearon is a convicted Heroin dealer and robber with 40 offences to his 'credit' He is a piece of cr@p.


Thanks

Paul

Popeye P1

'Slightly off topic, but just out of interest, which papers do Carpet Cleaner and Popeye read?'

I read the Daily Express. Is that good enough? LOL. Really makes me laugh how people seem to judge you on what paper u read. What paper do u read Turboman-i'm that bothered!

'it's people like you who give the impression to all the low life we have given up'

The law makes the low-life think its their god given right to commit crime. Burn the law books and start again. For a start we could get rid of that stupid out of touch Lord Chancellor.





[Edited by Popeye P1 - 6/17/2003 12:57:45 PM]