r32

Should Tiny Blurr have gone to Libya? Or more importantly should he come back?

RichWalk

I hear the weathers nice at this time of year....... arnt Shell Oils having their anual Directors jolly over their now??

andrew6321

nothing new about Blair dealing with terrorists....he speaks to George W all the time...

MJW

^^^ so true ..

Despite Gadaffi's *ahem* 'chequered' past, keeping him on-side will be a great PR coup. Firstly and of course most importantly, are the oil deals and all the associated palm-greasing.
Secondly it can show that 'rogue states' (ie. countries who don't like the US and the UK) need not just be flattened with cluster bombs if they agree to denounce international terrorist organisations. I'm sure that a very tempting package of international aid and trade deals (and possibly a supply of tasteful shirts for the man himself) has been arranged and that the Coalition is seeking to show other nations how nice they can be if they just toe the line.
I'm also quite sure that the Coalition will have inserted a 'we reserve the right to bomb you and change your regime' clause should things go pear-shaped.

moses

lol @ andrew if he can meet the worlds biggest terrorist george w bush and sharon im sure he can have a meal with osama too

Buzzer

Interesting to hear that a delegate of Special Branch and Murder Investigators are travelling to Libya next week futhering the investigation into the murder of the lady PC shot outside the Libyian Embassy 10 years ago.


......................................linked maybe ?

foz01

Same day as shell top dogs are negotiating prospecting rights!


Whole thing stinks imo!

brickboy

I can't believe that people are so cynical as to believe this is all about oil.

After all, a poll 4 years ago of the leading oil exploration companies voted Libya as the area most likely to yield major reserves in the next decade. Pure coincidence.

akshay67

So Mr Gaddafi, who himself was militarily trained by the Brits, now enjoys the rest of his army being trained by them. Cool. We can really ramp up the Libiyan military machine - just like it was done with Iraq.

moses

yeah akshay thats what i was thinking, west dont learn do they

Alan C

Quite frightening how narrow viewed and cynical all these posts are.

No wonder the world's so screwed with such pessimism and doubt..

It would be a completely pointless excercise to debate the wider issues with any of you, as they wouldn't even get off the ground..

Jye

Good.

akshay67

A fine example of an intellectually honest attitude; not to mention the art of debating and non-judgemental open-mindedness

akshay67

Just picked up on that one now...LOL!

andrew6321

What 'wider' issues would those be Alan...??? Let's hear 'em...

Alan C

On this particular issue, you all set the scene, which WAS narrowly focussed and devoid of alternatives.

My open mindedness about the issues raised meant that I could see the futility in raising any points on the subject, where they would no doubt be shot down without a second thought.

It is this second thought that distinguishes the openminded, from the closed.
Of course, I may not have given you the chance to prove how open minded you are (as we are talking about one subject), but the responses below told me everything I needed to know.

andrew6321

Alan - I haven't got a clue what you're talking about. Try using plain english.

brickboy

Alan, if you're looking to debate the issues, why not post rather than just dismissing the idea?

There will always be those that are quick to shoot down ideas, and there are many others that will enter into a debate. It's Scoobynet

moses

andrew , alan needs our support, he aint getting quality time
edited to add

not our hand support i mean moral support

Alan C

Moses, you're too kind! I must put you on my Christmas card list..

Brickboy, you miss my point. I'm not dismissing this at all. I wish this had all started from an 'Open' persepective, not a closed one.

Put simply guys I get the feeling that, from your posts below, you are all too narrwow minded and too quick to cynically dismiss a visit with obviously more issues than just Oil and personal greed.

And as this is Scoobynet, I feel that this is another subject that is far too big to be debated over a few posts. Plus, there's no beer involved!

I'm questioning the WAY you went about answering the question, not having a go at WHAT you have to say.. yet..

andrew6321

maybe you should show us how its done then...??

lead us, oh great one

Alan C

Ok. Last on the subject. Listen and learn

We have very little information to go on. Us meer mortals have so very little information to go on. I'd rather base my postings on a little more substance than 24 hour old Chip paper and TV reports.

The guy's not even stepped off the plane and people are dismissing the trip for all sorts of reasons.

Can't we just wait to make an informed judgement after we get more infomation, or see the positives, or negatives from this trip? Why do we have to constantly run on heresay, rumour and baseless facts? Then post like we know everything?

It might turn out to be one of the greatest breakthroughs in the middle east. That's good isn't it?

It might turn out to be one of biggest blunders (remember Clement Attlee and that paper from Hitler?). That's pretty crappy isn't it?

See, two sides of the story. But each as true as the other.

Ok Andrew? Are you with the progrramme now?

Jye

Hmm, nothing new there then

MJW

After it starts snowing in Hell ?

moses

lol your welcome alan i will send u the xmas cards and eid cards too

andrew6321

er, I think so.

So your view is: "it could be good - it could be bad"

Heaven help you if you ever had to make a decision

For clarity I'll repeat my views: Blair is nothing more than an illuminati poodle. Gadaffi presides over one of the biggest oil reserves on the planet. They've been thrown together. Blair doesn't like it (you could see it in his face) and neither does the mad dog Colonel. But they're both stuck with it.

The USA guaranteed its medium term oil supply by bombing the crap out of the Iraqis. We've ensured ours by pretending that a deranged autocrat is actually a reformed character.

dij

LOL

Im trying to take this seriously
and I realise that this Blair whitch project may have a hidden motive (or perhaps not so hidden),but guys look at the thread starter....its hilarious..hahaha...

Oh yeh,I think Gadaffi is doing the right thing with all the disarming of WOMD etc.
If Sadam had welcomed the US in to take what they want as they please then he may have had a little something left for his retirement.
I know its a sad remark but lets face it,if the US want to go any where at this moment they only have to say words like terrorism or Al quaeeda and it becomes a legit pass to enter and destroy as they please.
Who can stop them?
Maybe president Blair?
Dont think so ,hes the one carrying the luggage on.

I must give credit to T Blair for ignoring everyone in the country he runs (and following the leader from a different country),and just doing what he wanted to do .And to word it in such a way that it almost sounds like its worth wile.

One thing I learned in school is,When the bully hits you and tells you to stay away from his girl ,screem like a girl and tell him you wont ever look at her again ,so that he stops,later on you can meet his girl behind the bike sheds where no one can see ,and everyones happy.

If some of the others could just start playing ball by the so called rules then at least there wouldnt be so many red cards (talking about bombings).

He HeHe Wa ha HA .....Tiny Blurr oh a classic

moses

yeah lil muslim moses's would stop the great pharoah america if pharoah dont stop fecking about

read moses story, yes it took yrs of oppression and slaughter of the innocent hebrews and God sent them moses who was brought up in pharoahs own home and wow, brought him to his knee;s


so pharoah stop messing around or moses gonna get u

Ted Maul

good sabbeth to you Moses.

moses

salamun alaikum and shalom alaikum and good sabath to u too mate



have a nice one , and i do luv matzo's myself kashrut style