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30 May 2004 | 08:36 PM
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G-Force
Just like to say a big thanks to G-Force especially Chris and Stuart.
Top blokes, Top place, Top products and Top service.
It has been an eye opener in to the tuning world.
This is quite a tail but all very worth a read.
I purchased my UK300 little over two years ago. It came with a Magnex 6 x 4 back box and a PPP in this state it was a interesting drive.
Started looking around and things that could be done to make thing a bit more exciting so her we go.
1st fitted a Scooby sports up pipe and down pipe to total de cat the system. Had an ITG panel filter fitted? I was running 17psi of boost on Power Engineering roller the car was making 259Bhp and 249Lbs/ft of torque (please remember these numbers)
Things where looking up.
2nd Did a trip to TSL had some Eibach spring kit fitted and a laser alignment. (I would recommend to any body, as the difference in handling is astonishing). Then a had fitted an uprated fuel pump and an Ecutek remap by TSL. The car was now beginning to go how I wanted it 275Bhp and 260Lbs/ft of torque running 1.3bar boost (as I said before remember numbers)
I then went to a rolling road day at G-Force and got talking to Chris Davis who told me that the car had a lot more power and torque to be made and to call him during the week for a chat. To be honest (sorry Chris) I just thought that it was a good sales banter. So in for a penny in for a pond I made the call. Read on to see the outcome.
3rd On the advice of Chris and a bit of cash on the hip. I ditched all the above and did a leap of faith. At this point a big thank to Chris. I had a APS 3.5” turbo back exhaust system fitted, APS high flow air filter and a remap of the Ecutek ecu. The result was very very impressive 284Bhp and are you read for this 295Lbs/ft of torque. Now we are flying. The extra torque was stunning and pulled like a train. Not only that there was NO lag at all and I mean ZIP not a bit and to cap it I was running less boost 1.2bar.
4th Now I had the bug. I was going on holiday for 3 weeks and Chris did it again persuading me to tack the car back to G-Force for a bit of tweaking. So now I have a APS top mount intercooler and yet another remap. Are you all sitting down for this?.
285Bhp not that impressive a hear you say but 315Lbs/ft of torque. The car is now ballistic to drive. All on the standard TD04 turbo and injectors. Boost is instantaneous in all gears and all speed. I cant wait for the next stage Gems ecu and a new APS turbo. I think you would all agree that this is very impressive and show that can be achieved if the quality product are used and fitted by quality tuners.
As I said to start with BIG thanks to all at G-Force and cant wait for the next stage.
I would like to here you thought on this
Top blokes, Top place, Top products and Top service.
It has been an eye opener in to the tuning world.
This is quite a tail but all very worth a read.
I purchased my UK300 little over two years ago. It came with a Magnex 6 x 4 back box and a PPP in this state it was a interesting drive.
Started looking around and things that could be done to make thing a bit more exciting so her we go.
1st fitted a Scooby sports up pipe and down pipe to total de cat the system. Had an ITG panel filter fitted? I was running 17psi of boost on Power Engineering roller the car was making 259Bhp and 249Lbs/ft of torque (please remember these numbers)
Things where looking up.
2nd Did a trip to TSL had some Eibach spring kit fitted and a laser alignment. (I would recommend to any body, as the difference in handling is astonishing). Then a had fitted an uprated fuel pump and an Ecutek remap by TSL. The car was now beginning to go how I wanted it 275Bhp and 260Lbs/ft of torque running 1.3bar boost (as I said before remember numbers)
I then went to a rolling road day at G-Force and got talking to Chris Davis who told me that the car had a lot more power and torque to be made and to call him during the week for a chat. To be honest (sorry Chris) I just thought that it was a good sales banter. So in for a penny in for a pond I made the call. Read on to see the outcome.
3rd On the advice of Chris and a bit of cash on the hip. I ditched all the above and did a leap of faith. At this point a big thank to Chris. I had a APS 3.5” turbo back exhaust system fitted, APS high flow air filter and a remap of the Ecutek ecu. The result was very very impressive 284Bhp and are you read for this 295Lbs/ft of torque. Now we are flying. The extra torque was stunning and pulled like a train. Not only that there was NO lag at all and I mean ZIP not a bit and to cap it I was running less boost 1.2bar.
4th Now I had the bug. I was going on holiday for 3 weeks and Chris did it again persuading me to tack the car back to G-Force for a bit of tweaking. So now I have a APS top mount intercooler and yet another remap. Are you all sitting down for this?.
285Bhp not that impressive a hear you say but 315Lbs/ft of torque. The car is now ballistic to drive. All on the standard TD04 turbo and injectors. Boost is instantaneous in all gears and all speed. I cant wait for the next stage Gems ecu and a new APS turbo. I think you would all agree that this is very impressive and show that can be achieved if the quality product are used and fitted by quality tuners.
As I said to start with BIG thanks to all at G-Force and cant wait for the next stage.
I would like to here you thought on this
31 May 2004 | 08:42 AM
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good luck to you mate sounds awesome
ive just had gems fitted and its made massive difference to mine.
im running tdo4 and top mount but turbos on its last legs so...:]
btw the guy who mapped mine works closely with g-force i believe
all the best m8[start saving for a clutch...lol]
ive just had gems fitted and its made massive difference to mine.
im running tdo4 and top mount but turbos on its last legs so...:]
btw the guy who mapped mine works closely with g-force i believe
all the best m8[start saving for a clutch...lol]
02 June 2004 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by urbanmyth
Just like to say a big thanks to G-Force especially Chris and Stuart.
Top blokes, Top place, Top products and Top service.
It has been an eye opener in to the tuning world.
This is quite a tail but all very worth a read.
I purchased my UK300 little over two years ago. It came with a Magnex 6 x 4 back box and a PPP in this state it was a interesting drive.
Started looking around and things that could be done to make thing a bit more exciting so her we go.
1st fitted a Scooby sports up pipe and down pipe to total de cat the system. Had an ITG panel filter fitted? I was running 17psi of boost on Power Engineering roller the car was making 259Bhp and 249Lbs/ft of torque (please remember these numbers)
Things where looking up.
2nd Did a trip to TSL had some Eibach spring kit fitted and a laser alignment. (I would recommend to any body, as the difference in handling is astonishing). Then a had fitted an uprated fuel pump and an Ecutek remap by TSL. The car was now beginning to go how I wanted it 275Bhp and 260Lbs/ft of torque running 1.3bar boost (as I said before remember numbers)
I then went to a rolling road day at G-Force and got talking to Chris Davis who told me that the car had a lot more power and torque to be made and to call him during the week for a chat. To be honest (sorry Chris) I just thought that it was a good sales banter. So in for a penny in for a pond I made the call. Read on to see the outcome.
3rd On the advice of Chris and a bit of cash on the hip. I ditched all the above and did a leap of faith. At this point a big thank to Chris. I had a APS 3.5” turbo back exhaust system fitted, APS high flow air filter and a remap of the Ecutek ecu. The result was very very impressive 284Bhp and are you read for this 295Lbs/ft of torque. Now we are flying. The extra torque was stunning and pulled like a train. Not only that there was NO lag at all and I mean ZIP not a bit and to cap it I was running less boost 1.2bar.
4th Now I had the bug. I was going on holiday for 3 weeks and Chris did it again persuading me to tack the car back to G-Force for a bit of tweaking. So now I have a APS top mount intercooler and yet another remap. Are you all sitting down for this?.
285Bhp not that impressive a hear you say but 315Lbs/ft of torque. The car is now ballistic to drive. All on the standard TD04 turbo and injectors. Boost is instantaneous in all gears and all speed. I cant wait for the next stage Gems ecu and a new APS turbo. I think you would all agree that this is very impressive and show that can be achieved if the quality product are used and fitted by quality tuners.
As I said to start with BIG thanks to all at G-Force and cant wait for the next stage.
I would like to here you thought on this
Top blokes, Top place, Top products and Top service.
It has been an eye opener in to the tuning world.
This is quite a tail but all very worth a read.
I purchased my UK300 little over two years ago. It came with a Magnex 6 x 4 back box and a PPP in this state it was a interesting drive.
Started looking around and things that could be done to make thing a bit more exciting so her we go.
1st fitted a Scooby sports up pipe and down pipe to total de cat the system. Had an ITG panel filter fitted? I was running 17psi of boost on Power Engineering roller the car was making 259Bhp and 249Lbs/ft of torque (please remember these numbers)
Things where looking up.
2nd Did a trip to TSL had some Eibach spring kit fitted and a laser alignment. (I would recommend to any body, as the difference in handling is astonishing). Then a had fitted an uprated fuel pump and an Ecutek remap by TSL. The car was now beginning to go how I wanted it 275Bhp and 260Lbs/ft of torque running 1.3bar boost (as I said before remember numbers)
I then went to a rolling road day at G-Force and got talking to Chris Davis who told me that the car had a lot more power and torque to be made and to call him during the week for a chat. To be honest (sorry Chris) I just thought that it was a good sales banter. So in for a penny in for a pond I made the call. Read on to see the outcome.
3rd On the advice of Chris and a bit of cash on the hip. I ditched all the above and did a leap of faith. At this point a big thank to Chris. I had a APS 3.5” turbo back exhaust system fitted, APS high flow air filter and a remap of the Ecutek ecu. The result was very very impressive 284Bhp and are you read for this 295Lbs/ft of torque. Now we are flying. The extra torque was stunning and pulled like a train. Not only that there was NO lag at all and I mean ZIP not a bit and to cap it I was running less boost 1.2bar.
4th Now I had the bug. I was going on holiday for 3 weeks and Chris did it again persuading me to tack the car back to G-Force for a bit of tweaking. So now I have a APS top mount intercooler and yet another remap. Are you all sitting down for this?.
285Bhp not that impressive a hear you say but 315Lbs/ft of torque. The car is now ballistic to drive. All on the standard TD04 turbo and injectors. Boost is instantaneous in all gears and all speed. I cant wait for the next stage Gems ecu and a new APS turbo. I think you would all agree that this is very impressive and show that can be achieved if the quality product are used and fitted by quality tuners.
As I said to start with BIG thanks to all at G-Force and cant wait for the next stage.
I would like to here you thought on this
Let me get this right..... you ditched all your existing stuff and you went from 275HP/260 ft/lb torque @1.3 bar (after TSL remap) to 285HP/315 ft/lb torque for a massive cash outlay on.....
APS 3.5" Exhaust £1000 +
APS High Flow Air Filter £xxx
ECUTEK remap £xxx
followed by;
APS TMIC £xxx
Another remap £xxxx
10 HP & 55ft/lb's for how many thousand?????
PMSL
Chris Davies, one hell of a salesman..... and he's even talked you into buying an APS turbo and GEMS
As mentioned above...
Nice facillity, rolling road, £60 / hour labour rate stinks (Subaru's are not Porsche's) there a good outfit if you have the APS/GEMS/Steve Simpson blinkers on......
Ask about anything other than an APS product and you'll get the
look One last thing, make sure you get all your standard parts back (voice of experience)
All IMHO of course......
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02 June 2004 | 03:12 PM
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Let me just put some things in to prospective
1st who mention money. If money was the issue then you should not be a Impreza owner end of story.
2no Chris is not one hell of a salesman he is just a tuner who know what works and what dose not and going by what my car is now running I think that he dose. There was no talking me into anything just cold hard facts backed up by a what I consider to be a good company.
3rd All I have done is to replace the parts I put on the car with APS products. If you have ever driven a car with a extra 55ft/lb,s the you will know that it is a huge difference and there is scope for even more to come.
4th It is recognised that a GEMS ecu and Steve Simpson is one of the best on the market so this was on the card from day one.
5th Subaru are not Porsche’s well correct but the basics are all the same no mater what make car. So what has that get to do with any thing. If G-Force is packed with Porsche’s witch it is then is that not telling you some thing.
6Th Each tuner has its favoured supplier of parts. So why not have one of the best like APS who have spent millions on development. If a product work as well as the APS kit has on my car why would you want to supply or use anything else .
7th As for getting all the parts back they have always been packed up and put in the boots without me asking.
8th As for ditching all my old bit the no I sold them to a new owner who is now thinking of using APS & G-Force as he has driven my car and was astounded by it
G-Force, Chris and team have been a professional and class company to work with. Chris himself has open the garage on Saturday and Sundays even light night for me as I live a 4hrs round trip away. I have always been keep informed of what is going on with my car and have always been impressed with the results.
1st who mention money. If money was the issue then you should not be a Impreza owner end of story.
2no Chris is not one hell of a salesman he is just a tuner who know what works and what dose not and going by what my car is now running I think that he dose. There was no talking me into anything just cold hard facts backed up by a what I consider to be a good company.
3rd All I have done is to replace the parts I put on the car with APS products. If you have ever driven a car with a extra 55ft/lb,s the you will know that it is a huge difference and there is scope for even more to come.
4th It is recognised that a GEMS ecu and Steve Simpson is one of the best on the market so this was on the card from day one.
5th Subaru are not Porsche’s well correct but the basics are all the same no mater what make car. So what has that get to do with any thing. If G-Force is packed with Porsche’s witch it is then is that not telling you some thing.
6Th Each tuner has its favoured supplier of parts. So why not have one of the best like APS who have spent millions on development. If a product work as well as the APS kit has on my car why would you want to supply or use anything else .
7th As for getting all the parts back they have always been packed up and put in the boots without me asking.
8th As for ditching all my old bit the no I sold them to a new owner who is now thinking of using APS & G-Force as he has driven my car and was astounded by it
G-Force, Chris and team have been a professional and class company to work with. Chris himself has open the garage on Saturday and Sundays even light night for me as I live a 4hrs round trip away. I have always been keep informed of what is going on with my car and have always been impressed with the results.
02 June 2004 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by urbanmyth
Let me just put some things in to prospective
1st who mention money. If money was the issue then you should not be a Impreza owner end of story.
2no Chris is not one hell of a salesman he is just a tuner who know what works and what dose not and going by what my car is now running I think that he dose. There was no talking me into anything just cold hard facts backed up by a what I consider to be a good company.
3rd All I have done is to replace the parts I put on the car with APS products. If you have ever driven a car with a extra 55ft/lb,s the you will know that it is a huge difference and there is scope for even more to come.
4th It is recognised that a GEMS ecu and Steve Simpson is one of the best on the market so this was on the card from day one.
5th Subaru are not Porsche’s well correct but the basics are all the same no mater what make car. So what has that get to do with any thing. If G-Force is packed with Porsche’s witch it is then is that not telling you some thing.
6Th Each tuner has its favoured supplier of parts. So why not have one of the best like APS who have spent millions on development. If a product work as well as the APS kit has on my car why would you want to supply or use anything else .
7th As for getting all the parts back they have always been packed up and put in the boots without me asking.
8th As for ditching all my old bit the no I sold them to a new owner who is now thinking of using APS & G-Force as he has driven my car and was astounded by it
G-Force, Chris and team have been a professional and class company to work with. Chris himself has open the garage on Saturday and Sundays even light night for me as I live a 4hrs round trip away. I have always been keep informed of what is going on with my car and have always been impressed with the results.
1st who mention money. If money was the issue then you should not be a Impreza owner end of story.
2no Chris is not one hell of a salesman he is just a tuner who know what works and what dose not and going by what my car is now running I think that he dose. There was no talking me into anything just cold hard facts backed up by a what I consider to be a good company.
3rd All I have done is to replace the parts I put on the car with APS products. If you have ever driven a car with a extra 55ft/lb,s the you will know that it is a huge difference and there is scope for even more to come.
4th It is recognised that a GEMS ecu and Steve Simpson is one of the best on the market so this was on the card from day one.
5th Subaru are not Porsche’s well correct but the basics are all the same no mater what make car. So what has that get to do with any thing. If G-Force is packed with Porsche’s witch it is then is that not telling you some thing.
6Th Each tuner has its favoured supplier of parts. So why not have one of the best like APS who have spent millions on development. If a product work as well as the APS kit has on my car why would you want to supply or use anything else .
7th As for getting all the parts back they have always been packed up and put in the boots without me asking.
8th As for ditching all my old bit the no I sold them to a new owner who is now thinking of using APS & G-Force as he has driven my car and was astounded by it
G-Force, Chris and team have been a professional and class company to work with. Chris himself has open the garage on Saturday and Sundays even light night for me as I live a 4hrs round trip away. I have always been keep informed of what is going on with my car and have always been impressed with the results.
1st - If you read the post properly I mentioned money, merely quantifying the amount you had to spend to make the small gains stated. Seemed alot of cash to me.....Typical of G-Force, ditch everything non APS! Who are you to deem people whether they should or shouldnt be Impreza owners based on money?
2nd - Chris is a tuner???? Didnt realise he ported cylinder heads and built engines for a living
No, he knows APS products and there capabillities very well, that makes him a very good salesman. To those new to scooby tuning he will sound very knowledgeable. Tuner no, parts bolt onner yes. PS. APS did all the work in case you hadnt realised 3rd - Errrr actually I have driven a car with more than 55 ft/lbs of torque extra......Oh that will be my STi 8 that G-Force converted which made 362 hp and similar torque
4th -
GEMS created a niche for Steve Simpson, they wont sell the mapping software to any scooby owners with new age cars therefore Steve is the only man allowed to map them. The top mappers like Bob Rawle & Pat cant get near 5th - you got it right, Subaru's arent Porsches, so why charge labour rates as though your working on Porsches? Why, because WE are all stupid enough to pay em!
Oh and If G-Force is packed with Porsches that tells me they are Porsche specialists.....I think. LOL6th - Dont walk round with your eyes shut, APS have won what in the Auz and the USA. The front runners in Subaru development are clearly Rigoli in both countries....Not APS
7th - I'm glad you got all your parts back, when mine was done I thought I had until I came to put it back to standard then i realised things were missing.
8th - Again the point was, if its non APS ditch it, see a pattern developing here......OH YOU DONT WANT THAT, YOU WANT THIS......
Harry Enfield Style.I'm glad your happy with your outcome, one persons good experience will always be tarred by anothers bad one.
Good Luck with your APS turbo and GEMS, watch that Gearbox!
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02 June 2004 | 05:12 PM
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From: Leeds - It was 562.4bhp@28psi on Optimax, How much closer to 600 with race fuel and a bigger turbo?
good luck..
Just dont disagree with gforce or aps as you support goes out of the window..
I spoke to them not so long ago.. and wouldnt let steve simpson map my car, they hung up on me.. they had my number as I had called earlier they never called back..
the car stayed std for a while after so it wasnt an issue..
Ive heard they are very capable rolling road operators and porsche tuners, I just havent heard much in the way of subarus.. but that could be the no advertising on scoobynet thing.
However If you were my customer I wouldnt give you remaps on an ecu that wasnt up to what your end result was.
Steve simpson doesnt have many good reviews I can find. other than on rally cars..
a friend of mine had steve map is rally car, he now swears by richard bulmer.
Each to their own, but if your happy with that recommended solution then good luck to you.. it simply just ISNT the best solution available..
but if you want to spend your money how you want then fine..
But I could recommend better
without naming suppliers.
ps I suggest you read up on nasioc, 22b, scoobynet on aps turbo's.
David
Just dont disagree with gforce or aps as you support goes out of the window..
I spoke to them not so long ago.. and wouldnt let steve simpson map my car, they hung up on me.. they had my number as I had called earlier they never called back..
the car stayed std for a while after so it wasnt an issue..
Ive heard they are very capable rolling road operators and porsche tuners, I just havent heard much in the way of subarus.. but that could be the no advertising on scoobynet thing.
However If you were my customer I wouldnt give you remaps on an ecu that wasnt up to what your end result was.
Steve simpson doesnt have many good reviews I can find. other than on rally cars..
a friend of mine had steve map is rally car, he now swears by richard bulmer.
Each to their own, but if your happy with that recommended solution then good luck to you.. it simply just ISNT the best solution available..
but if you want to spend your money how you want then fine..
But I could recommend better
without naming suppliers.ps I suggest you read up on nasioc, 22b, scoobynet on aps turbo's.
David
02 June 2004 | 09:52 PM
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you guys crack me up{i can feel a flame war starting lol]
nah i mean why slag people off ??
so long as the customer is happy then hey ho:]
as for gems and steve well they flew him out to the states to map ten cars i believe so he knows his stuff
and btw you can download gems software from the're web site:]
but i believe steves got the monopoly on the actual gems system.
no different to prodrives monopoly with alcon brakes
seems to me that scoob tuning is dear anyway compared to cossies for instance
anyway have fun:]
nah i mean why slag people off ??
so long as the customer is happy then hey ho:]
as for gems and steve well they flew him out to the states to map ten cars i believe so he knows his stuff
and btw you can download gems software from the're web site:]
but i believe steves got the monopoly on the actual gems system.
no different to prodrives monopoly with alcon brakes
seems to me that scoob tuning is dear anyway compared to cossies for instance
anyway have fun:]
02 June 2004 | 10:50 PM
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Would just like to say that the reason I posted the thread in the first place was to say thanks to G-Force, Chris and the team. I think it was a job well done and I am over the moon with the car. There was never any intention to slag any one off . It is a pity that you cant post such a thread with out this happening.
Splitter:- I could not agree more thank you.
Once again thank you G-Force top job
Splitter:- I could not agree more thank you.
Once again thank you G-Force top job
03 June 2004 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by SPLITTER
and btw you can download gems software from the're web site:]
but i believe steves got the monopoly on the actual gems system.
but i believe steves got the monopoly on the actual gems system.
Splitter, you can have the software but what you cant have is the additional files required to map the later VVT cars
Monopoly, no anyone can purchase a GEMS system.
So long as URBANMYTH's happy to spend all that money to achieve an extra 10 HP and some extra torque then thats ok but like Dave Wallis pointed out( who's more experienced than most in scooby's) there are better cost alternatives with more favourable results
Its just unfortunate that some people get led down the wrong path, not neccessarily there fault but could be down to naivity but with the reading available on here and 22B the other options are all there for everyone to see. <RANT finished>
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