What do i do.....?
29 September 2004, 11:23 PM
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What do i do.....?
Any help would be great
I have just fitted a De-Cat system to MY01
Downpipe short centre and backbox from a very reputable dealer so this post NOT AT ALL IS POINTING THE FINGER.
I am to understand from this mod i should gain around 20-25 bhp improvement but i have had no increse in power at all.The CEL light has not come on which i thought would to indicate the turbo coming in a little sooner but has not.
Which direction do i go in?
Do i need a re-map?
Can i just reset my ECU?
I have just fitted a De-Cat system to MY01
Downpipe short centre and backbox from a very reputable dealer so this post NOT AT ALL IS POINTING THE FINGER.
I am to understand from this mod i should gain around 20-25 bhp improvement but i have had no increse in power at all.The CEL light has not come on which i thought would to indicate the turbo coming in a little sooner but has not.
Which direction do i go in?
Do i need a re-map?
Can i just reset my ECU?
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CEL light should not come on, you can re-set or wait for the ECU to "adjust" itself. How do you mean " no increase in power" you should hear and feel the difference instantly, then after a full tank (I think) all hell breaks loose, did with my MY99
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the cel will probably come on after a long motor way trip, or steady speed after the cars had a hammering ( did on mine )
you need a psi3 secs unit to reset the ecu OR take it to a garage with the tools, some change £30
sometime's I can't see how some drivers notice the difference between things such as air filters etc, when I pushed my bugeye to 270 ish bhp the car just feels lighter, I found the handeling mods far more rewarding... still im still looking at getting another 50 bhp
you need a psi3 secs unit to reset the ecu OR take it to a garage with the tools, some change £30
sometime's I can't see how some drivers notice the difference between things such as air filters etc, when I pushed my bugeye to 270 ish bhp the car just feels lighter, I found the handeling mods far more rewarding... still im still looking at getting another 50 bhp
01 October 2004, 12:08 AM
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I de-catted my MY02 bugeye (Haywood and Scott) and didn't notice any difference in Power. The noise was different
Bugeye Scoobies can loose that difference in BHP on a warm day, particularly as the bugeye's were mapped to reduce the "kick" to make them more saleable...
I decatted mine in readiness for an EcuTeK re-map and then you DO start to notice the diffrence
The ECU will detect (in the end) the missing cats and throw up a CEL code P0420 witha solid red CEL light. There are various ways around this.... ignore it, get a CEL fix like I did originally, reset the ECU from a SECS or a dealer or get the ECU mapped to take account of the de-cat which will "map out" the P0420 code
Personally I'd think about an EcuTek re-map to take advantage of the de-cat, your TD04 can spool up pretty early and run about 260 BHP
Midlife.....
Bugeye Scoobies can loose that difference in BHP on a warm day, particularly as the bugeye's were mapped to reduce the "kick" to make them more saleable...
I decatted mine in readiness for an EcuTeK re-map and then you DO start to notice the diffrence
The ECU will detect (in the end) the missing cats and throw up a CEL code P0420 witha solid red CEL light. There are various ways around this.... ignore it, get a CEL fix like I did originally, reset the ECU from a SECS or a dealer or get the ECU mapped to take account of the de-cat which will "map out" the P0420 code
Personally I'd think about an EcuTek re-map to take advantage of the de-cat, your TD04 can spool up pretty early and run about 260 BHP
Midlife.....
01 October 2004, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Midlife......
I de-catted my MY02 bugeye (Haywood and Scott) and didn't notice any difference in Power. The noise was different
Bugeye Scoobies can loose that difference in BHP on a warm day, particularly as the bugeye's were mapped to reduce the "kick" to make them more saleable...
I decatted mine in readiness for an EcuTeK re-map and then you DO start to notice the diffrence
The ECU will detect (in the end) the missing cats and throw up a CEL code P0420 witha solid red CEL light. There are various ways around this.... ignore it, get a CEL fix like I did originally, reset the ECU from a SECS or a dealer or get the ECU mapped to take account of the de-cat which will "map out" the P0420 code
Personally I'd think about an EcuTek re-map to take advantage of the de-cat, your TD04 can spool up pretty early and run about 260 BHP
Midlife.....
Bugeye Scoobies can loose that difference in BHP on a warm day, particularly as the bugeye's were mapped to reduce the "kick" to make them more saleable...
I decatted mine in readiness for an EcuTeK re-map and then you DO start to notice the diffrence
The ECU will detect (in the end) the missing cats and throw up a CEL code P0420 witha solid red CEL light. There are various ways around this.... ignore it, get a CEL fix like I did originally, reset the ECU from a SECS or a dealer or get the ECU mapped to take account of the de-cat which will "map out" the P0420 code
Personally I'd think about an EcuTek re-map to take advantage of the de-cat, your TD04 can spool up pretty early and run about 260 BHP
Midlife.....
How long did it take your scoob to detect the de-cats?
I thought it would of been an instant thing with the ecu but nps....
Just not got enough cah at the mo for a re-map ):
But the car sounds awsome....lol
01 October 2004, 11:05 PM
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It took quite a while for the Bugeye ECU to realise I had de-catted the scooby
I potter around quite a lot but it threw up P0420 (cat below efficiency ) after a blast on the A69. Luckily the SECS could tell me and I wasn't bothered.
The really annoying thing was that at the time I fitted a Scoobysport CEL Fix (The old Pete Croney Scoobysport) which should have stopped this happening. I phoned Scoobysport who admitted that the CEL fix would reduce CEL's but not eliminate them
Begs the question why they sold them ??
I'd enjoy the great sound of the de-cat , post on scoobynet for a second hand CEL fix and see if anyone has a cheap "example map" for a bugeye de-cat..
Hang on.......................
I bought a "TeK 2" map for my Bugeye for £500 quid plus VAT and on top of that the de-cat tweak cost about £150 !!!!
I then went for the "TeK 3" map which cost £700 odd quid !! Total cost for the re-maps near £1.2k
Somewhere there should be a licence for the De-cat "TeK 2" which cost me 600 quid !!!!.....
If you can shake a few trees at EcuTek you can have the £600 licence fee I originaly paid for
Go on..........................I dare you !!!
Shaun
It took quite a while for the Bugeye ECU to realise I had de-catted the scooby
I potter around quite a lot but it threw up P0420 (cat below efficiency ) after a blast on the A69. Luckily the SECS could tell me and I wasn't bothered.
The really annoying thing was that at the time I fitted a Scoobysport CEL Fix (The old Pete Croney Scoobysport) which should have stopped this happening. I phoned Scoobysport who admitted that the CEL fix would reduce CEL's but not eliminate them
Begs the question why they sold them ??
I'd enjoy the great sound of the de-cat
, post on scoobynet for a second hand CEL fix and see if anyone has a cheap "example map" for a bugeye de-cat..Hang on.......................
I bought a "TeK 2" map for my Bugeye for £500 quid plus VAT and on top of that the de-cat tweak cost about £150 !!!!
I then went for the "TeK 3" map which cost £700 odd quid !! Total cost for the re-maps near £1.2k
Somewhere there should be a licence for the De-cat "TeK 2" which cost me 600 quid !!!!.....
If you can shake a few trees at EcuTek you can have the £600 licence fee I originaly paid for
Go on..........................I dare you !!!
Shaun
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02 October 2004, 06:01 PM
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"I bought a "TeK 2" map for my Bugeye for £500 quid plus VAT and on top of that the de-cat tweak cost about £150 !!!!
I then went for the "TeK 3" map which cost £700 odd quid !! Total cost for the re-maps near £1.2k
Somewhere there should be a licence for the De-cat "TeK 2" which cost me 600 quid !!!!.....
If you can shake a few trees at EcuTek you can have the £600 licence fee I originaly paid for
Go on..........................I dare you !!!"
Sorry mate but i don't understand....
Licence fee for what i thought you just took your scoob in for a re-map..
So there not the same but individual for each scoob to gain max performance..
The re-map seems costly when done is it a permanent chance to your ecu will ever revert back to standard.
Thanks again Mid....
I then went for the "TeK 3" map which cost £700 odd quid !! Total cost for the re-maps near £1.2k
Somewhere there should be a licence for the De-cat "TeK 2" which cost me 600 quid !!!!.....
If you can shake a few trees at EcuTek you can have the £600 licence fee I originaly paid for
Go on..........................I dare you !!!"
Sorry mate but i don't understand....
Licence fee for what i thought you just took your scoob in for a re-map..
So there not the same but individual for each scoob to gain max performance..
The re-map seems costly when done is it a permanent chance to your ecu will ever revert back to standard.
Thanks again Mid....
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02 October 2004, 10:25 PM
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Trickie.. It's easy
I bought an off the shelf TeK2 total £600 odd quid for my decat.
I them modded the car again and went for a Tek3. The original mapper AFAIK "locked" the ECU so I had to pay the £700 odd quid again. OK
I'm not complaining at the result (325 BHP ) It's just that I have legal title over a product (the £600 TeK2 ) which I can't see, touch or sell !!
Midlife....
I bought an off the shelf TeK2 total £600 odd quid for my decat.
I them modded the car again and went for a Tek3. The original mapper AFAIK "locked" the ECU so I had to pay the £700 odd quid again. OK
I'm not complaining at the result (325 BHP
) It's just that I have legal title over a product (the £600 TeK2 ) which I can't see, touch or sell !!Midlife....
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Originally Posted by Midlife......
Trickie.. It's easy
I bought an off the shelf TeK2 total £600 odd quid for my decat.
I them modded the car again and went for a Tek3. The original mapper AFAIK "locked" the ECU so I had to pay the £700 odd quid again. OK
I'm not complaining at the result (325 BHP ) It's just that I have legal title over a product (the £600 TeK2 ) which I can't see, touch or sell !!
Midlife....
I bought an off the shelf TeK2 total £600 odd quid for my decat.
I them modded the car again and went for a Tek3. The original mapper AFAIK "locked" the ECU so I had to pay the £700 odd quid again. OK
I'm not complaining at the result (325 BHP
) It's just that I have legal title over a product (the £600 TeK2 ) which I can't see, touch or sell !!Midlife....
Phill
I was under the assumption that I payed John Banks for the TEK 2 and if I wanted the TEK 3 as long as I used him, i wouldn't have to pay ECUTEK again?
02 October 2004, 10:42 PM
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All my ECUs had the license left open, so the only costs to another mapper is their time and equipment/overheads.
There was a phase of Bugeye ECUs that locked the ECU to the tuner that originally mapped them. I don't think that is the case now.
There was a phase of Bugeye ECUs that locked the ECU to the tuner that originally mapped them. I don't think that is the case now.
02 October 2004, 10:48 PM
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I got the example map (Tek2) and the bespoke map (TeK3) from different people.....
I would have expected John to have left the licence open
John commands great respect on SN (as does Bob Rawle who looks after my scooby and many of my friends )
Shaun
I got the example map (Tek2) and the bespoke map (TeK3) from different people.....
I would have expected John to have left the licence open
John commands great respect on SN (as does Bob Rawle who looks after my scooby and many of my friends
)Shaun
02 October 2004, 10:55 PM
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Hi John
I think our posts may have crossed.... I apologise for any comments mentioning your name which may have been innapropriate in my post to phill above ..sorry.
Can't fault your advice near on 2 years ago to get a FE TD05 for my bugeye with all the mods you suggested.........
Shaun
I think our posts may have crossed.... I apologise for any comments mentioning your name which may have been innapropriate in my post to phill above ..sorry.
Can't fault your advice near on 2 years ago to get a FE TD05 for my bugeye with all the mods you suggested.........
Shaun
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Originally Posted by Midlife......
Phill
I got the example map (Tek2) and the bespoke map (TeK3) from different people.....
I would have expected John to have left the licence open
John commands great respect on SN (as does Bob Rawle who looks after my scooby and many of my friends )
Shaun
I got the example map (Tek2) and the bespoke map (TeK3) from different people.....
I would have expected John to have left the licence open
John commands great respect on SN (as does Bob Rawle who looks after my scooby and many of my friends
)Shaun
Never met Bob, know loads of people that have used him.Phill
02 October 2004, 11:04 PM
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Thanks Phill
I just wondered what you have ?? Here's my Scooby stats with thanks to John Banks, Ninnybobs, Stan Palmers and Bob Rawle's fun dust
Engine
TD05 front entry conversion turbo
STi Intercooler
Samco Silicon hoses
Sti Pink Injectors
FSE fuel pump
FSE fuel pump regulator
3 port boost solenoid
EcuTeK 3 Custom re-map by BRD (Bob Rawle) 1.38 bar max
Ported and wrapped headers
NGK PR7 plugs
Haywood and Scott full de-cat
TSL centre section
Magnex oval 6X4 back box
K & N filter
325 BHP and 282 torque
Shaun
I just wondered what you have ?? Here's my Scooby stats with thanks to John Banks, Ninnybobs, Stan Palmers and Bob Rawle's fun dust
Engine
TD05 front entry conversion turbo
STi Intercooler
Samco Silicon hoses
Sti Pink Injectors
FSE fuel pump
FSE fuel pump regulator
3 port boost solenoid
EcuTeK 3 Custom re-map by BRD (Bob Rawle) 1.38 bar max
Ported and wrapped headers
NGK PR7 plugs
Haywood and Scott full de-cat
TSL centre section
Magnex oval 6X4 back box
K & N filter
325 BHP and 282 torque
Shaun
02 October 2004, 11:18 PM
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Shaun,
RB5 WR (without the PPP) :-
JB TEK 2 (.75) postal map
Dawes MBC (1.2 bar as per Defis)
H and S Exhaust
K and N filter
Water Spray from STi
PPP Intercooler piping
HKS SSQV D/V
And loads of other suspension mods and ICE
Planned:-
2.5 STI short engine
FMIC
F/E TDO5 or whatever
Closed deck heads
Injectors
Fuel pump and reg
5/6 Speed box with DCCD
Clutch and lightened flywheel
Most importantly a TEK remap (hopefully Bob or John) and anu other **** I'll need!
Phill
RB5 WR (without the PPP) :-
JB TEK 2 (.75) postal map
Dawes MBC (1.2 bar as per Defis)
H and S Exhaust
K and N filter
Water Spray from STi
PPP Intercooler piping
HKS SSQV D/V
And loads of other suspension mods and ICE
Planned:-
2.5 STI short engine
FMIC
F/E TDO5 or whatever
Closed deck heads
Injectors
Fuel pump and reg
5/6 Speed box with DCCD
Clutch and lightened flywheel
Most importantly a TEK remap (hopefully Bob or John) and anu other **** I'll need!
Phill
02 October 2004, 11:41 PM
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I'd stick with the 2 litre and find a nice FETD05 or 18G conversion ( Look on deadbolt.com ) for Bob Rawle to map. along with better IC, pump, reg and injectors.
Get Harvey to port the headers as well
The 2.5 seems a whole new ball game but there are a few threads in Projects to look at !!
Shaun
I'd stick with the 2 litre and find a nice FETD05 or 18G conversion ( Look on deadbolt.com ) for Bob Rawle to map.
along with better IC, pump, reg and injectors.Get Harvey to port the headers as well
The 2.5 seems a whole new ball game but there are a few threads in Projects to look at !!
Shaun
02 October 2004, 11:46 PM
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shaun hi m8 just a couple of questions if its ok m8.
MY02 WRX
TSL full decat firestorm BB
Tek3 remap by TSL
uprated fuel pump
K&N induction kit
with this set up i got 276bhp on the rollers now i've also got
VF35 turbo
STI8 intercooler
STI injectors
boosting 19/20 psi
lightend fly wheel
pipercross hose kit
been told by Pat who mapped it that its in the 320/30bhp
would that be about right...
cheers chrissy
MY02 WRX
TSL full decat firestorm BB
Tek3 remap by TSL
uprated fuel pump
K&N induction kit
with this set up i got 276bhp on the rollers now i've also got
VF35 turbo
STI8 intercooler
STI injectors
boosting 19/20 psi
lightend fly wheel
pipercross hose kit
been told by Pat who mapped it that its in the 320/30bhp
would that be about right...
cheers chrissy
02 October 2004, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Midlife......
Phill
I'd stick with the 2 litre and find a nice FETD05 or 18G conversion ( Look on deadbolt.com ) for Bob Rawle to map. along with better IC, pump, reg and injectors.
Get Harvey to port the headers as well
The 2.5 seems a whole new ball game but there are a few threads in Projects to look at !!
Shaun
I'd stick with the 2 litre and find a nice FETD05 or 18G conversion ( Look on deadbolt.com ) for Bob Rawle to map.
along with better IC, pump, reg and injectors.Get Harvey to port the headers as well
The 2.5 seems a whole new ball game but there are a few threads in Projects to look at !!
Shaun
I fancied the extra torque from the 2.5 engine, running less boost so not to **** the gearbox.
That link doesn't work??
Was going to get my spare TD05 moded and try that. How much are bigger injectors?
Phill
03 October 2004, 12:05 AM
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Chrissy
Thanks for the post.....
I have been modding my MY02 Scooby over the last couple of years by following in the footsteps of other Bugeye owners and their mappers ...so most of my knowlege is definately second hand but I have ended up with a daily driver bugeye circa 300 plus BHP
I would have no doubt that Pat could get 325 - 330 BHP out of the set up that you have The big problem is the jump to 400
Shaun
Thanks for the post.....
I have been modding my MY02 Scooby over the last couple of years by following in the footsteps of other Bugeye owners and their mappers ...so most of my knowlege is definately second hand but I have ended up with a daily driver bugeye circa 300 plus BHP
I would have no doubt that Pat could get 325 - 330 BHP out of the set up that you have
The big problem is the jump to 400 Shaun
03 October 2004, 12:12 AM
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Phill.. Lots of stuff on the American Boards on Deadbolt turbo's
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=548630
Chrissy......APS FMIC now at RCMS !! how about you ??
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=548630
Chrissy......APS FMIC now at RCMS !! how about you ??
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Originally Posted by Midlife......
Phill.. Lots of stuff on the American Boards on Deadbolt turbo's
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=548630
Chrissy......APS FMIC now at RCMS !! how about you ??
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=548630
Chrissy......APS FMIC now at RCMS !! how about you ??
ggrrrr you know that Im gonna want what ever you do next , can you not stay as u r for a bit untill I save some money
make sure you keep me upto date
Scoobchrissy
you have the mods I was planning to do next ( sti injectors/turbo and intercooler ) how did you find them to the std ecu tek and decat Im starting to think that the 50bhp won't be worth the extra and then I will want more.... but will the gear box take it ahhhh
not easy is it
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Originally Posted by WRX_Rich
Scoobchrissy
you have the mods I was planning to do next ( sti injectors/turbo and intercooler ) how did you find them to the std ecu tek and decat Im starting to think that the 50bhp won't be worth the extra and then I will want more.... but will the gear box take it ahhhh
not easy is it
03 October 2004, 10:45 PM
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I'm not at the head of the pack at the moment..... I'm chasing Ninnybobs from TTS at the moment
Hopefully Ninnybobs might post his mods, I have been in his bugeye and I WANT one just like it
Possibly the best "sorted" daily driver bugeye around my parts
Midlife.....
Hopefully Ninnybobs might post his mods, I have been in his bugeye and I WANT one just like it
Possibly the best "sorted" daily driver bugeye around my parts
Midlife.....
03 October 2004, 11:13 PM
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Trickie, there are lots of old threads on reaching 300 with a bug.
Your main decision is whether to accept 270-280 and save a wedge of cash and hassle from not changing the turbo, in which case a full exhaust with all 3 cats removed (including uppipe), a good panel filter, resonator removal and an Ecutek remap should do it for you.
I'm not commercial now, speak to one of the mappers about getting you sorted out.
Your main decision is whether to accept 270-280 and save a wedge of cash and hassle from not changing the turbo, in which case a full exhaust with all 3 cats removed (including uppipe), a good panel filter, resonator removal and an Ecutek remap should do it for you.
I'm not commercial now, speak to one of the mappers about getting you sorted out.