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Old 24 July 2007, 10:35 PM
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Default whats needed for bullit proof transmission on STI

As title for 700 horsepower car...
STI8
what will break first if driven hard?


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Old 24 July 2007, 10:53 PM
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your dreaming 700bhp
Old 24 July 2007, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 34srm
your dreaming 700bhp

why do you say that?
Old 24 July 2007, 11:03 PM
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why 700bhp would be unusable on roads its a fantasy mate
Old 24 July 2007, 11:07 PM
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Im not looking for any smart answers or arguments just some people with experience to try and help

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Old 24 July 2007, 11:16 PM
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your not andy f , the road your trying to go down is loaded with big $$$$$$$$$$$$ and plenty ov pants pulling down but its up to you just remember this reply when your 20k in , dont wanna stick a needle in the works but you'd be better with a evo with 450-480 just my opinion
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thanks for your input.
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Originally Posted by 34srm
why 700bhp would be unusable on roads its a fantasy mate
If 700BHP is unusable on roads then how does Andy get anywhere in his car?

Originally Posted by 34srm
you'd be better with a evo with 450-480
Is a 450BHP Evo Faster than a 700BHP Scoob?
Old 25 July 2007, 11:59 AM
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helpfull buggers on here

Straight cut PPG gear set will do the trick...speak to Mark at Lateral or Paul at Zen Performance, iirc they are circa £3k.

ian

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Originally Posted by trails
helpfull buggers on here

Straight cut PPG gear set will do the trick...speak to Mark at Lateral Performance, iirc they are circa £3k.

ian
At last someone with a sensible reply think the six speed PPG kits are a bit more expensive than that but i could be wrong
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Originally Posted by Granby
At last someone with a sensible reply think the six speed PPG kits are a bit more expensive than that but i could be wrong
lol dunno Ian, iirc there are NASOIC guys running over 500bhp on OE six speeds...
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Originally Posted by trails
lol dunno Ian, iirc there are NASOIC guys running over 500bhp on OE six speeds...
Think some of the British guys as well
Old 25 July 2007, 01:03 PM
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The drive shafts will be on the limit, especially if you are using really sticky tyres on large rims.
Old 25 July 2007, 01:20 PM
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I'm running on the 500 mark and must admit I'd be dubious of adding more on UK 6 speed...heard they'll do 600 bhp maybe but I've already had syncro problems.

You're really looking at a custom build everything motor for a "reliable" 700bhp daily motor.

I'm about to uprate my engine and gearbox mounts again as they dont like 500 ft/lb torque....you'll need mounts made from rock to hold everything in line with that power figure...

Didn't RCM have a 700+ scoob? Is that one reliable?
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Originally Posted by Granby
At last someone with a sensible reply think the six speed PPG kits are a bit more expensive than that but i could be wrong
At 700bhp are the PPG rated at that much? I know Steven Darley has been breaking them at around 550bhp IIRC, but he does seem to be more brutal than others with the transmission
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Originally Posted by SPEN555
At 700bhp are the PPG rated at that much? I know Steven Darley has been breaking them at around 550bhp IIRC, but he does seem to be more brutal than others with the transmission
aren't both Mark (lateral) and Paul (Zen) both running more than Steven on PPG sets?

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Old 25 July 2007, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by trails
aren't both Mark (lateral) and Paul (Zen) both running more than Steven on PPG sets?
Yes IIRC they are running more but does not change the fact Steven has had gearbox failures at lower power levels. Having said that I could be wrong, I think there is also PAR? It maybe that gearbox Steven has had problems with.

Someone else can maybe confirm which Gearbox/Gearset Steven has been running?
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thanks for the replys guys...

the car will do the odd track day but mostly its a road car with NO full bore launches so it might last a while on standard stuff.

Just looking to see whats avail for when it does break.
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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As if we believe 'NO full bore launches'
Surely nobody can resist the temptation?
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I find it hard to believe that anyone would want a 700bhp scooby for the road. 450/450 ish is surely the useable limit. Anything above that gets really really expensive and stops the car from being 'just driveable' IMO.

Albeit they are road useable:
I am sure AndyF doesnt just nip down the shops in his, he would take the Spec C.
I am sure Zen dont drive everywhere in the Zen Impreza, they take the 4WD (or whatever it is - sorry Paul/Liz)
and I am sure that the Gobstopper gets partially stripped between events and wrapped in cotton wool rather than parked down the local Asda.

and you're right Graham - full bore launch has to be tried once
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Originally Posted by 911
As if we believe 'NO full bore launches'
Surely nobody can resist the temptation?
you would have to try it...see how far you can squish your eye ***** back in your head

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Originally Posted by trails
you would have to try it...see how far you can squish your eye ***** back in yur head
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Originally Posted by dynamix
700bhp has gotta push them in a fair way...maybe we could ask Andy F\Paulo\RCM to add a 'driver-cam' and base a whole new series on eyeball displacement
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so what engine spec are you going for?
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[QUOTE=dynamix;7138430]I find it hard to believe that anyone would want a 700bhp scooby for the road. 450/450 ish is surely the useable limit. Anything above that gets really really expensive and stops the car from being 'just driveable' IMO.

I have to agree, mine at 500 mark is just not an every day car...the petrol (plus the fuel additive at each fill up) plus £150 tyres (each), plus the water tanks etc, takes longer to get my car out of the garage than the journey - although it is fun making up lost time

I have a little eco car to try and prevent fuel pumps in the UK going dry...
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We run a stock (JDM) 6 speed at ~700bhp.

We have also been to Sainsburys in it too
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Originally Posted by Scooby Mania
We run a stock (JDM) 6 speed at ~700bhp.

We have also been to Sainsburys in it too
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no such thing as bullet proof at that level

I wouldn't expect my PPG to hold up under that power

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