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Old 12 January 2004, 01:28 PM
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I have an MY00 Turbo

What size injectors will it have in as standard?

What Phase engine will it have?

What phase fuel rails will it have?

What are headers?

will swapping engine parts from an STi6 be better than what I already have as standard.

ie Cams, pistons,, con rods, crankshaft, valves etc.

I have heard of adding a 5th injector, what benefit will this be and what parts do you need in order to do it?.

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Old 12 January 2004, 01:50 PM
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440's
Phase 2
Phase 2

Headers = Exhaust headers.

Additional injectors are required for engines running silly amounts of boost, something a stock MY00 UK [Euro] won't take.

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Old 12 January 2004, 02:22 PM
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I have an MY00 Turbo
What size injectors will it have in as standard?
What Phase engine will it have?
What phase fuel rails will it have?
440's, phase 2, phase 2.

What are headers?
This usually means the exhaust manifold components between the heads and the up-pipe, although some people refer to the entire manifold between the block and turbo as the "headers".

will swapping engine parts from an STi6 be better than what I already have as standard.
Not if you p*ss about and do bits in isolation. If you drop an entire STi powertrain (including short ratio gearbox) in, then yes, there will be an advantage, and some of the bits are better than standard. Others though only work properly when combined as a whole.

STi pistons are stronger and slightly lighter than the standard ones, so they'd be useful if you were modifying, but STi cams on their own would likely make the performance of your car worse, as they're wilder than the standard ones and are designed for an 8000rpm rev limit, which your standard engine, turbo and ECU aren't capable of.

I have heard of adding a 5th injector, what benefit will this be
There's no real benefit in adding a 5th injector to a roadcar. Some of the RA's came with one in the inlet manifold, but it was there only as a motorsport homologation requirement and wasn't actually connected to anything on the roadcar.

If you're still running on the standard TD04L turbo, there's no point even thinking about changing your injectors as the 440's are good for around 350bhp, figures that are well beyond the small turbo. If you're modifying around the existing turbo, changing the fuel pump and pressure reg is the first step before thinking about changing/adding injectors.

...and what parts do you need in order to do it?
If you were hell-bent on going this route, you'd need an injector, and a boss machined into the inlet manifold to accept it, together with fuel lines, wiring loom and an ECU capable of controlling five. All this is theoretical though, as mentioned earlier, the best way to increase the fuel flow is by replacing all four injectors, and/or increasing fuel pressure.

[Edited by greasemonkey - 1/12/2004 2:27:45 PM]
Old 12 January 2004, 02:32 PM
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Cheers both of you.

I have no where near 350bhp and probably won't get there either.

I have just got a tek 2 ecu which hopefully will be the start of things.

I am presuming when you refer to header you actually mean the gaskets that go between the up pipe and the head.!!!

now I can concentrate on other stuff.

the problem is what to do.

I already have a decat downpipe and a T75 backbox
Samco intercooler hoses
ITG Panel filter
Lightened Perrin Crank Pulley
Tek 2 ECU (in the post)

what should I do next?

decat centre pipe is not an option, I must keep the middle cat.

lightened flywheel, Fuel pump, Fuel regulator, bigger turbo?????

any and all help will be appreciated.

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Old 12 January 2004, 05:43 PM
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I am presuming when you refer to header you actually mean the gaskets that go between the up pipe and the head.!!!
Nono, the "headers" are the various bits of pipework, not the gaskets!
I already have....

ITG Panel filter
With an MY99/00, you need to keep a very close eye on the health of the MAF sensor with these filters, due to the danger of contamination. If it was my car I'd get rid of this and put a safer one in.

It might also be a good precautionary step to fit a new sensor if there's any doubt about the health of your current one. The TeK2 runs leaner than the standard ECU so if the MAF is misreading to any degree, you'll get less safety margin before it starts detting.

what should I do next?
A lot depends on what you want from the car. If your aim is out and out power, maybe for quarter miling, you'd go a different way than you would if good road driveability is your first option.

lightened flywheel, Fuel pump, Fuel regulator, bigger turbo?????
If you want to get over 280bhp or so, a bigger turbo is going to come into the equation sooner or later, although of course you're going to need a remap (TeK3 or similar) to get it working properly.

You'll get a handy performance boost from the TeK2, and going for a lighter flywheel will give you a really nice improvement in throttle response and driveability. Personally that's what I'd do first. Then when you next get the bug, I'd probably go for an uprated intercooler, which will make your current setup even better, as well as laying the ground for a future turbo upgrade.
Old 12 January 2004, 06:22 PM
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Source and fit a larger turbo and uprated fuel pump, then come and see me for a remap

Is it a generic tek2 from EcuTek, or something you've bought 2nd hand. If 2nd hand, did the car have different headers on it - if so, be careful...just in case it was a tek3 not 2

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Richard where about are you?

I looked at the ecutek website for companies that can map tek ecus and there are 3 site in Switzerland one is jsut an email address and the other 2 are in French not German so I can not read them.

Koch Fahrzeug teknic in Germany has no mention of TEK on their website either.

How much do you charge for a remap then.

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Aarau - about an hour inland from Basel. Email me offline for more information.

Koch are on the border in Germany near Basel, and are also EcuTek dealers.

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Already mailed you.

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