scoobmeister

Hi, Has Anyone Had Experience With front Mounted Intercoolers,
Especially Interested To Know How they Effect Turbo lag,
Thinking Of Fitting A Pace System (Don't Have To Hack Front Bumper)
Any Feedback Would Be Apprieciated
Cheers
Scoobmeister

coulty

all you need to know is that pace are crap and you should either buy a Hybrid (very good) or spend a fortune on an HKS like me

wah

Lol speak to harvey he can get Hybrid at very good prices

harvey

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Thanks guys.
Complete kit. Next day delivery. £565 delivered, UK mainland. Can arrange fitting if necessary.

69WRX

can someone elaborate on " pace are crap".
try and be a little more technical as to why.

I have been offered one of these very cheap,but wont bother if they are indeed "crap"

thanks

Bob Rawle

They don't cool well (inefficient) and restrict airflow into the engine bay causing coolant temps to run very much higher which pushes oil temps up. The supplied rad is nothing like as good as the oem item to boot.

Defo to be avoided imho.

bob

harvey

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Crap as in like they are on a par with a top mount.

69WRX

Thanks for that guys, saved me wasting a bit of money.

Would love one of yours Harvey but can't afford one at the mo.

Bob.
Im upgrading my sti2 to approx 340 BHP
mods include.. 255lph fuel pump and 550 injectors.
Will my standard FPR be able to cope with this as the FSE seems to be unreliable and the SX too expensive.

Thanks
Andy

Fuzz

how about one from Lateral performance.
Rad and intercooler combo, works very well, so they say.
No bumper cutting for that one.
Ask Adam M, he has one, I believe his car was used as test bench for it.

he also tested benched the pace, he will tell you it's poor too.


Andy

coulty

Andy

I have an sti2 also that i have upgraded to hopefully 330bhp when i run on the rollers next month.

You WILL need a new intercooler and the choices are very restrictive as far as new tmic's go because of the space behind the early inlet manifold. I went for an HKS fmic which is to say the least BIG.

I have an FSE with no troubles atm but i will change to an SX at some point.

One thing is that it is not easy to upgrade to this bhp because the extra power requires you to have loads of other things done like the clutch as this can't handle the extra torque. One other thing is the gearbox will probably go to as the early boxes are not known for their strength especially 3rd gear. In the end i had to change for a late sti6 5 speed...again not easy because the sti2 has 4.1 diffs and the sti6 has 4.4 diffs so a rear 4.4 diff was needed too.

Just think about how to get there and you should be fine but don't be surprised if things go a little wrong.

Stuart

69WRX

Thanks Stuart.

My mods are..
Henko Racing 255lph fuel pump
Denso 550 injectors
Apexi full induction tract
one piece tubular headers and up-pipe
de-cat magnex twindump down pipe
de-cat blitz nur spec R mid and back
standard TD05
Apexi power fc
FMIC
AP Organic clutch
VTA Dump Valve
Manual Boost Controller
Oil breather catch bottle
PFR7B plugs

Not sure what to do about the FPR, Think I will leave std one on.
Also might get a 3 port solenoid, or might just use the manual controller.

Some advise on these two by people in the know would be helpfull.....

I know the gear box is not going to last very long, but I shall sort that out when it goes bang!

Andy

69WRX

And brakes....

4pot subaru calipers
40 Groove tarox discs
Braided hoses
5.1 fluid
EBC greens

coulty

Hi Andy

My spec is as follows:

Walbro 255lph fuel pump
Denso 550 injectors
Currently FSE PFR (will change to SX at some point)
Apexi Power Intake Induction kit
Currently OBX equal-length tubular headers and up-pipe (changing to gruppe-s headers and helix up-pipe)
de-cat tsl open-neck down pipe
de-cat afterburner mid and ninja backbox
ported and rebuilt TD05
Will be a Apexi power fc (currently running Microtech ECU)
HKS FMIC
Exedy Racing Organic clutch
Standard Dump Valve
Apexi AVCR Boost Controller (running 1.4 bar)
Oil breather hoses VTA
PFR7B plugs (gapped to 0.6mm)
4pot subaru calipers
Braided hoses
5.1 fluid
Ferodo DS2500 pads

If i were you i would get a SX reg as they are really good quality for not a lot more than the FSE.
I would also if i were you get an Apexi AVCR boost controller as you can make the turbo come in stronger in the lower gears and it also helps with making some midrange torque.

Stuart

harvey

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Andy: The first thing you need to do is to know if your AFRs are under control. For that I suggest an Autometer AFR guage for around £50 from Scoobymania or various other suppliers. A Knock Link would also be advisable. BRD, Jap Innovations or whoever.
Make sure your Lambda sensor is in good order.
Running with an unreliable fuel pump or FPR could result in considerable engine damage, piston picked up in the bore etc. For the expense of an AFR guage you can determine if your AFRs are under control and if the FPR you are using is functioning satisfactorily. After 12 months service from my FSE FPR on the WRX Wagon I took it off and replaced it with an SX from Alyn Stockton at A S Performance 0191 4103770. For approximately £50 over the cost of an FSE it is a fraction of the cost of a rebuild. That cured the erratic results I was getting.
It is possible that your O/E regulator will perform satisfactorily but you will not know until you check out your AFRs.

You will not get a better performing, cost effective FMIC than the Hybrid.

By all means consider the Lateral product but it is a completely different kettle of fish as it consists of an intercooler and radiator and costs several times more than the Hybrid. There is a choice of two radiator thickness and the last one I saw being fitted had run into problems on the thicker radiator with clearance issues.

It would be better to do everything right, first time, in the correct order and enjoy the performance you will achieve reliably than rush it and end up needing to find the money for a new engine.

69WRX

Thanks for all the advice guys.

Most of the mods mentioned are not fitted yet. Was going to fit them just before getting the apexi ecu mapped.

I thought the ecu could be set to flash the engine check light on the dash if knock was detected, so a knocklink would be unnessasary.
I will put a AFR gauge on the list though.

Harvey, I know your Hybrid FMIC is one of the best around, but finances are a little short at the moment. I have my eye on a couple of second hand FMIC at the moment.

Did have an offer of a v-cheap pace fmic, but after the comments on here , have been put off that now.
Anybody know much about the BLITZ fmic ?

Andy

R19KET

Harvey,

Just for the record, there is only one rad' option, which is the thinner 32mm core. This has been used for nearly a year now. It allows more room, and works as well, if not better than the earlier, deeper core.

That aside, whilst I have no experience with the Hybrid, it seems like excellent VFM, compared to the comparative options.


Mark/Lateral Performance

Fuzz

Just in case you didn't know 69wrx,

R19KET IS Lateral Performance


Andy

R19KET

Andy,

Good point, and corrected. Bit "Catch 22", use a company name, and get told off for that, don't use it, and get told off for that too

Mark.

Fuzz

Well It's nice to know when you can rely on information given over the net, it's sometimes a bit "hit and miss."
Just letting the guy know the info came from "the horses mouth".

Andy

Bob Rawle

Andy re fpr, the std item would be more than adequate for your aspirations.

The early intercooler is "crap" unfortunately, 340 ish will be achievable but on a hot day probably det city, you do need to look at options, do not be tempted by a MY97 or 98 top mount which is just as bad. Most aftermarket top mounts don't hack it either.

For you, on a budget, the Hybrid is probably the best option at this time.

cheers

bob

69WRX

Thanks for all the help and advise guys.

Bob- good to know the std fpr will suffice for now. will look at getting a SX at a later date.
Whats my best option for boost controll.
(a) Connect my 2 port solenoid back up.
(b) buy a 3 port solenoid
(c) buy apexi AVCR
(d) use my manual boost controller

Remember im on a tight budget, I can allways improve at a later stage.

Thanks
Andy

Midlife......

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Hi Harvey

Sorry to hijack the thread but just looking for the the Autometer AFR mentioned a few posts up It's not on Scoobymania's website

Cheers

Shaun

Jay m A

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Midlife, it was the other day, Autometer Phantom electrical section

Bob,

Do you think the OE regulators on the <96 cars are OK to run with a Walbro 190 LPH pump? The car would be remapped with bigger injectors, looking for 340 BHP


Regards

Justin

Peanuts

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Andy,
if you can stretch to it the apexi avc-r boost controller is a fantastic bit of kit.
can be had for under £300 delivered and comes with its own manifold pressure sensor and boost solenoid in the box.]
it also displays up to four realtime graphs/gauges/values (with peak hold)
theres a reecording facility as well to let you replay a 30second (I think) blast.
V. good imho.

re: front mount...
the absolute king of the hill at the moment is Harvey's hybrid, its unbelievable that he can offer all that for the price, look in the projects section for a fitting guide, there is proof in the number of people who have recently purchased it.
I would go with the hybrtid but for two reasons....
I need to start spending my money on other things as mrs. Peanuts deserves to finally have the house finished.
I have sort of thrown down a gauntlet to the other scoobs in my area all running fmic's by sticking with my tmic.
save for those reasons I would have one like a shot.

(note to Harvey: if April's bonus is up to it then I will be ordering, did you get my emal response the other night, big thank you!)


Andy

AlanG

So, you've ditched the 42mm option now then...

R19KET

Alan,

I decided it would make fitting the kit easier, and there's no loss of cooling.

Mark.

scooby-si

bob you have pm m8

Davey P

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Harvey,

For one of your FMIC do you need to cut the bumper?

Also,

Do you have to remove your driving lights?

Bob Rawle

Andy the STi2 already has a three port solenoid, depending on ecu choice that will be fine, AVC-R would be the choice fit, Justin the std reg is similar to later ones and would be fine (imho) to that power level for sure.

bob

harvey

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You retain driving lights, fog lihts or PIAAs and also retain the air con.
The bumper is cut which for me is no big deal and for most people who have done it I think it was not the daunting task they were lead to believe.