Strange motorway behaviour
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Strange motorway behaviour
My car is a UK MY99-turbo with Tek3 custom remap,full decat,panel filter,uprated fuel pump and Forge recirc dump valave. While cruising at a steady 80 mph(2900 rpm) for a few minutes any slight increase/decrease of speed brings about severe lurching of the car. If you ease off the throttle or indeed put your foot down it seems to sort itself out! It maybe lurches back and forth 3-4 times.
My thinking is the dump-valve as it didn't do this with the standard item and i'm thinking of returning to this but i'd like to understand what's happening.I've dismantled the dump-valve and regreased it and checked the o-ring condition is ok.I've also done the check they suggest on the Forge website,ie push plunger and hold finger over hole to see if it stays which it does.My current thought is the strength of spring is too high and the valve slams shut with any small easing of the throttle but why would it do it if you depress the throttle as well? Also why does it do it only after holding a steady speed for a little while? It's almost as if it gets itself stuck but as i've said i've regreased it and the o-ring looks ok.
Hope someone can help
PeteS
My thinking is the dump-valve as it didn't do this with the standard item and i'm thinking of returning to this but i'd like to understand what's happening.I've dismantled the dump-valve and regreased it and checked the o-ring condition is ok.I've also done the check they suggest on the Forge website,ie push plunger and hold finger over hole to see if it stays which it does.My current thought is the strength of spring is too high and the valve slams shut with any small easing of the throttle but why would it do it if you depress the throttle as well? Also why does it do it only after holding a steady speed for a little while? It's almost as if it gets itself stuck but as i've said i've regreased it and the o-ring looks ok.
Hope someone can help
PeteS
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From: DBM MY99 UK -New Forest
Originally Posted by theotherphil
I am running a Forge recirc on a modded motor with no problems. I have seen reference to the symptoms you've described on this forum but can't remember the outcome, sorry.
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The Forge recirc is running a gold spring but I wasn't aware that these needed tuning. I also have a Forge VTA that I use depending on how I feel and that is using a blue spring. Both have been great.
Spec:
UK MY95 Turbo
TD05 @ 1.25bar
Apexi Power Fc and Apexi Boost Control kit
Revolution 3" Decat Downpipe and system
Walbro 255 pump and FSE reg
K&N Panel filter with cold air intake
MRT Inlet Plenum Pipe
AVOTurbo TMIC
And probably stuff I've forgotten.
Spec:
UK MY95 Turbo
TD05 @ 1.25bar
Apexi Power Fc and Apexi Boost Control kit
Revolution 3" Decat Downpipe and system
Walbro 255 pump and FSE reg
K&N Panel filter with cold air intake
MRT Inlet Plenum Pipe
AVOTurbo TMIC
And probably stuff I've forgotten.
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Hi I've got a similar spec car, had the same problem maybe not so severe though. Car seemed to pulse when putting foot down at motorway speeds - I cleaned the boost solenoid with brake cleaner and it runs alot better now.
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You could try a weaker spring, but it could well be MAF related. Does it have any hiccups at light load and low engine speed? I would say the red spring can be quite harsh.
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This is quite a useful thread, even though Paul (Zen Performance) told me
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http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...highlight=FMIC
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From: DBM MY99 UK -New Forest
Originally Posted by Zen Performance
You could try a weaker spring, but it could well be MAF related. Does it have any hiccups at light load and low engine speed? I would say the red spring can be quite harsh.
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Thanks for the replies so far!
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I believe the order of the springs are
green (weakest)
yellow
blue
red (strongest)
You can also get shims to tune them further.
green (weakest)
yellow
blue
red (strongest)
You can also get shims to tune them further.
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Right had it apart today and it's got a yellow spring.Also cleaned it out and used a different high-temp grease in it.
Was able to rig it up to a pressure/test type tool and it seemed to slowly open as you increased the pressure and then would suddenly fully-open. After cleaning and regreasing it seems to open more progressively.
Does any of this make sense as haven't been on a long motorway type trip to test it.
PeteS
Was able to rig it up to a pressure/test type tool and it seemed to slowly open as you increased the pressure and then would suddenly fully-open. After cleaning and regreasing it seems to open more progressively.
Does any of this make sense as haven't been on a long motorway type trip to test it.
PeteS
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Was there a reason for replacing the std item?
If not, and assuming you still have it, put it back on. I'm running a MY00 with similar figures and have had no issues whatsoever with mine.
I tried a Forge VTA once but the jerk coming off throttle/boost was just plain annoying.
If not, and assuming you still have it, put it back on. I'm running a MY00 with similar figures and have had no issues whatsoever with mine.
I tried a Forge VTA once but the jerk coming off throttle/boost was just plain annoying.
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Originally Posted by 7 Foot
Was there a reason for replacing the std item?
If not, and assuming you still have it, put it back on. I'm running a MY00 with similar figures and have had no issues whatsoever with mine.
I tried a Forge VTA once but the jerk coming off throttle/boost was just plain annoying.
If not, and assuming you still have it, put it back on. I'm running a MY00 with similar figures and have had no issues whatsoever with mine.
I tried a Forge VTA once but the jerk coming off throttle/boost was just plain annoying.
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