which classic is the quickest in stock?
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depends what you mean as fastest.A typeR will out accelerate any other from 0-60,0-100 and probably quarter mile iirc the tests for the V4 typeR were 4.3-60 10.9-100 and 12.9 for the 1/4 but a P1 will pull away at higher speeds due to gearbox ratios
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What about the V5 type R?
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28 July 2007, 01:04 PM
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everybody is going to have an oppinion here (depending on what they drive 
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so you need to look impartally at specs,
if your talking about accelaration, and quarter mile times, then i would say the type R STI as its the car that subaru claim themselfs to be the fastest 0-60
and the type R STI was chosen to superseed the type RA for WRC, and dont forget the 22B is a "type R 22B".
the type RA STI would be very close behind, some say the RA is lighter, but not true, the 2 door shell of the STI version of the type R is lighter than the RA, and the V3 model had all the homoligation stuff on it to pass the car for WRC in 1996/7
such as group n rear, including diff and brake set ups, (totally different from all other type R cars) try and get parts
but they all share the same liniage.
from one car to the next they are all different.
but i am biased as i have a type R STI WRC 555. V3
Type R cars are double slow in standard trim at top speed 140ish. and nearly 8,000 rpm , but boy do they get there quickly.
but what do i know
)so you need to look impartally at specs,
if your talking about accelaration, and quarter mile times, then i would say the type R STI as its the car that subaru claim themselfs to be the fastest 0-60
and the type R STI was chosen to superseed the type RA for WRC, and dont forget the 22B is a "type R 22B".
the type RA STI would be very close behind, some say the RA is lighter, but not true, the 2 door shell of the STI version of the type R is lighter than the RA, and the V3 model had all the homoligation stuff on it to pass the car for WRC in 1996/7
such as group n rear, including diff and brake set ups, (totally different from all other type R cars) try and get parts
but they all share the same liniage.
from one car to the next they are all different.
but i am biased as i have a type R STI WRC 555. V3
Type R cars are double slow in standard trim at top speed
140ish. and nearly 8,000 rpm , but boy do they get there quickly.but what do i know
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everybody is going to have an oppinion here (depending on what they drive )
so you need to look impartally at specs,
if your talking about accelaration, and quarter mile times, then i would say the type R STI as its the car that subaru claim themselfs to be the fastest 0-60
and the type R STI was chosen to superseed the type RA for WRC, and dont forget the 22B is a "type R 22B".
the type RA STI would be very close behind, some say the RA is lighter, but not true, the 2 door shell of the STI version of the type R is lighter than the RA, and the V3 model had all the homoligation stuff on it to pass the car for WRC in 1996/7
such as group n rear, including diff and brake set ups, (totally different from all other type R cars) try and get parts
but they all share the same liniage.
from one car to the next they are all different.
but i am biased as i have a type R STI WRC 555. V3
Type R cars are double slow in standard trim at top speed 140ish. and nearly 8,000 rpm , but boy do they get there quickly.
but what do i know
)so you need to look impartally at specs,
if your talking about accelaration, and quarter mile times, then i would say the type R STI as its the car that subaru claim themselfs to be the fastest 0-60
and the type R STI was chosen to superseed the type RA for WRC, and dont forget the 22B is a "type R 22B".
the type RA STI would be very close behind, some say the RA is lighter, but not true, the 2 door shell of the STI version of the type R is lighter than the RA, and the V3 model had all the homoligation stuff on it to pass the car for WRC in 1996/7
such as group n rear, including diff and brake set ups, (totally different from all other type R cars) try and get parts
but they all share the same liniage.
from one car to the next they are all different.
but i am biased as i have a type R STI WRC 555. V3
Type R cars are double slow in standard trim at top speed
140ish. and nearly 8,000 rpm , but boy do they get there quickly.but what do i know
Type RA weighs 1180 kgs of the same year. Earlier type RA of 1994 weighed 1170kgs. Later models of 1999 1210kgs.
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I have never owned a type R or RA, but my first scoob had a RA gearbox and for motorway driving it was just a nightmare. I know this isn't strictly along with 'which is the quickest' but just saying for folks that have never used one of those gearboxes, they aren't ideal for prolonged fast motoray driving etc in my opinion. I was over the moon when I got a normal box fitted!
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i am quoting from the prodrive DVD , where they state that the type R STI WRC V3 is a lighter shell than the type RA , hence using it for the WRC cars?
and that its the quickist car to 60 mph??
also it says the type R has a much stronger chassis and shell,than the RA including a fixed rear bulkhead
and it covers up to 2001.
and of course im biased.....i said that in the post
good luck.
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I have never owned a type R or RA, but my first scoob had a RA gearbox and for motorway driving it was just a nightmare. I know this isn't strictly along with 'which is the quickest' but just saying for folks that have never used one of those gearboxes, they aren't ideal for prolonged fast motoray driving etc in my opinion. I was over the moon when I got a normal box fitted!
your so right mate. its a right pain, at 70mph, im doing 4,500 rpm, i have a "custom gear set"
but the red line isnt untill 8,000 (my car is 2.2)
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hi mate, where did you get those figures from?
i am quoting from the prodrive DVD , where they state that the type R STI WRC V3 is a lighter shell than the type RA , hence using it for the WRC cars?
and that its the quickist car to 60 mph??
also it says the type R has a much stronger chassis and shell,than the RA including a fixed rear bulkhead
and it covers up to 2001.
and of course im biased.....i said that in the post
good luck.
i am quoting from the prodrive DVD , where they state that the type R STI WRC V3 is a lighter shell than the type RA , hence using it for the WRC cars?
and that its the quickist car to 60 mph??
also it says the type R has a much stronger chassis and shell,than the RA including a fixed rear bulkhead
and it covers up to 2001.
and of course im biased.....i said that in the post
good luck.
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My Version 6 STi Type R was a ltd WRC. I had the longer top gear which peaked at 162mph at 8000rpm. You wouldn't want to hold that speed for long though...
Also, it out-paced a P1 in big figures so the best of both worlds in terms of 0-60 and top end.
Nick
Also, it out-paced a P1 in big figures so the best of both worlds in terms of 0-60 and top end.
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28 July 2007, 04:05 PM
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When my mate took me to pick my Sti Type Ra up (1998 totally standard with 28,000 miles on the clock we raced them back to where we live ( he in his 1998 type R 32,000 miles on the clock) over 200 miles of off the line sprints, flat out, through the gears, and we both came to the conclusion that mine was quicker in ALL aspects that was real life driving not looking at fiqures on bits of paper sorry to dissapoint R owners but the upshot is who keeps thiers standard there will be nothing in it once you have fitted ecu, exhaust fmic etc etc
your not dissapointing type R owners mate
that was one test against a driver who might or might not have been as good as you, or one car could have been better than the other. (common sence)
and the poster was asking "in stock form"
but i bow to your type R eating car.
also i wouldnt buy your car from you, after you say you picked your car up then "raced it 200 miles flat out through the gears" that would have done it the world of good.
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your not dissapointing type R owners mate
that was one test against a driver who might or might not have been as good as you, or one car could have been better than the other. (common sence)
and the poster was asking "in stock form"
but i bow to your type R eating car. also i wouldnt buy your car from you, after you say you picked your car up then "raced it 200 miles flat out through the gears" that would have done it the world of good.
that was one test against a driver who might or might not have been as good as you, or one car could have been better than the other. (common sence)
and the poster was asking "in stock form"
but i bow to your type R eating car.
also i wouldnt buy your car from you, after you say you picked your car up then "raced it 200 miles flat out through the gears" that would have done it the world of good.
nothing to do with the drivers of the cars we actually swopped cars aswell to see the difference also these cars are just playthings meant, designed and engineered to go fast (thrashed) and i would buy a car from you it would be a bargain read the thread properly next time 
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OOOOOOOOOh it all makes sense now ive just seen your car for sale
the point i was trying to make and you so rightly pointed out is that no 2 cars are the same if the difference is that small then its not worth talking about you could get 2 more cars and the difference go in favour of the Type r, its that small a difference then its not worth picking the weebles out of buscuits for, i was not trying to make the point that my car was a Type R eater anyway good luck with selling your car ****
the point i was trying to make and you so rightly pointed out is that no 2 cars are the same if the difference is that small then its not worth talking about you could get 2 more cars and the difference go in favour of the Type r, its that small a difference then its not worth picking the weebles out of buscuits for, i was not trying to make the point that my car was a Type R eater anyway good luck with selling your car ****
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28 July 2007, 04:57 PM
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Lol @this thread.Its one of those questions that is impossible to answer as everybody has a different opinion and different evidence,yes i maybe biased towards the typeR as i have a V5 one but everybody (within reason) thinks their car is the best/fastest etc
28 July 2007, 05:44 PM
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If you read my post properly (common sense) you would have read that both cars WERE stock nothing to do with the drivers of the cars we actually swopped cars aswell to see the difference also these cars are just playthings meant, designed and engineered to go fast (thrashed) and i would buy a car from you it would be a bargain read the thread properly next time
nothing to do with the drivers of the cars we actually swopped cars aswell to see the difference also these cars are just playthings meant, designed and engineered to go fast (thrashed) and i would buy a car from you it would be a bargain read the thread properly next time these cars are most certanly not ment to be "thrashed", and "these cars" are most definatly not playthings.
when i said about being stock, i was replying to you, when you said "once you have fitted ecu / exhaust tmic etc etc" (and the OP was talking about stock cars)
just a footnote, you seem to have lost the advantage of "lightweight" on your RA by adding all those extras (view my/your scooby)
but it looks like a very nice clean car
well done.good luck
28 July 2007, 06:30 PM
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the RA was made up to 2000 as was the typeR,prodrive used the typeR to go racing when it was released so must mean something,they seem to know what they were doing
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28 July 2007, 07:02 PM
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i agree totally, that was my "mute" point.why did prodrive use the type R when it came out over the (still current) RA?
if the RA was "lighter/better faster" (for rallying agreed)
the DVD i have from prodrive themselves, says they chose the 1996/7 model type R STI as a base because it was the lightest/strongest car at the time, i just equated that myself to mean quickest also?
this is not a whoes better thread, it was originaly asked which classic is the quickest in stock form, i still beleive that to be the type R STI, with the RA a very close second, but im also quite hapy to have the RA as first, and the R a close second, i dont know, i dont rearly care (do a bit
)it was just my feelings on the thread.
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No Rally driver switches the aircon on (Type R) when it gets a little warm.
He will however open his Roof Vent ( Type-Ra ) when a little warm.
A Rally driver wont use his electric window's ( Type R ) again when warm or use his electric mirrors ( Type R ) to see what's behind him.
He will however have to wind down his window ( Type-Ra ) and adjust his mirrors by hand ( Type-Ra ) to see what's behind him.
A Rally driver wont have an airbag ( Type R ) go off in his face if he hit's a tree.
He will however go flying through the windscreen ( Type-Ra ) and taste the bark.
Type-Ra's rock in std form ..
Nothing comes close for the sole purpose of what Subaru built these cars for other than the 22b..
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The type R shell is lighter and stiffer but as for car weights. The RA car is lighter with no additional extras, the type R came with additional features over the type RA such as electric windows, air conditioning with climate control, central locking, electric mirrors, ABS brakes, air bags, extra sound proofing, rear spoiler, side skirts and rear spats. It's quite obvious that the type R car and not shell is the heavier of the two cars.
So with both cars running stock 280 bhp engines which one is quicker?.
A. 1180 kgs type RA
B. 1250 kgs type R
Er
So with both cars running stock 280 bhp engines which one is quicker?.
A. 1180 kgs type RA
B. 1250 kgs type R
Er
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The type R shell is lighter and stiffer but as for car weights. The RA car is lighter with no additional extras, the type R came with additional features over the type RA such as electric windows, air conditioning with climate control, central locking, electric mirrors, ABS brakes, air bags, extra sound proofing, rear spoiler, side skirts and rear spats. It's quite obvious that the type R car and not shell is the heavier of the two cars.
So with both cars running stock 280 bhp engines which one is quicker?.
A. 1180 kgs type RA
B. 1250 kgs type R
Er
So with both cars running stock 280 bhp engines which one is quicker?.
A. 1180 kgs type RA
B. 1250 kgs type R
Er
There quickest , Have the highest top speed , Lighter , Handle better , Have the strongest engine of all Impreza's
And Why . . . .
Because there a 2 door ..
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Ra means Rally Altered - Meaning lets go Rally..
No Rally driver switches the aircon on (Type R) when it gets a little warm.
He will however open his Roof Vent ( Type-Ra ) when a little warm.
A Rally driver wont use his electric window's ( Type R ) again when warm or use his electric mirrors ( Type R ) to see what's behind him.
He will however have to wind down his window ( Type-Ra ) and adjust his mirrors by hand ( Type-Ra ) to see what's behind him.
A Rally driver wont have an airbag ( Type R ) go off in his face if he hit's a tree.
He will however go flying through the windscreen ( Type-Ra ) and taste the bark.
Type-Ra's rock in std form .. Nothing comes close for the sole purpose of what Subaru built these cars for other than the 22b..
No Rally driver switches the aircon on (Type R) when it gets a little warm.
He will however open his Roof Vent ( Type-Ra ) when a little warm.
A Rally driver wont use his electric window's ( Type R ) again when warm or use his electric mirrors ( Type R ) to see what's behind him.
He will however have to wind down his window ( Type-Ra ) and adjust his mirrors by hand ( Type-Ra ) to see what's behind him.
A Rally driver wont have an airbag ( Type R ) go off in his face if he hit's a tree.
He will however go flying through the windscreen ( Type-Ra ) and taste the bark.
Type-Ra's rock in std form ..
Nothing comes close for the sole purpose of what Subaru built these cars for other than the 22b..
RA does not mean rally altered
R does come with a roof vent (WRC model, i have one)
and it was not for opening when warm?? it was to reduce cabin pressure WRC type R does not have air bag
i could go on, but that will do for now.
parting shot....type R 22B
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The type R shell is lighter and stiffer but as for car weights. The RA car is lighter with no additional extras, the type R came with additional features over the type RA such as electric windows, air conditioning with climate control, central locking, electric mirrors, ABS brakes, air bags, extra sound proofing, rear spoiler, side skirts and rear spats. It's quite obvious that the type R car and not shell is the heavier of the two cars.
So with both cars running stock 280 bhp engines which one is quicker?.
A. 1180 kgs type RA
B. 1250 kgs type R
Er
So with both cars running stock 280 bhp engines which one is quicker?.
A. 1180 kgs type RA
B. 1250 kgs type R
Er
type R WRC 555 STI had a sand cast closed deck block (not die cast) and had a confirmed 300bhp and was blueprinted. so that negates the slight weight thingy.
check the homologation specs for the 1997 car.
oh, and white cars are the fastest.
i love this thread.
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Ra means Rally Altered - Meaning lets go Rally..
No Rally driver switches the aircon on (Type R) when it gets a little warm.
He will however open his Roof Vent ( Type-Ra ) when a little warm.
A Rally driver wont use his electric window's ( Type R ) again when warm or use his electric mirrors ( Type R ) to see what's behind him.
He will however have to wind down his window ( Type-Ra ) and adjust his mirrors by hand ( Type-Ra ) to see what's behind him.
A Rally driver wont have an airbag ( Type R ) go off in his face if he hit's a tree.
He will however go flying through the windscreen ( Type-Ra ) and taste the bark.
Type-Ra's rock in std form .. Nothing comes close for the sole purpose of what Subaru built these cars for other than the 22b..
No Rally driver switches the aircon on (Type R) when it gets a little warm.
He will however open his Roof Vent ( Type-Ra ) when a little warm.
A Rally driver wont use his electric window's ( Type R ) again when warm or use his electric mirrors ( Type R ) to see what's behind him.
He will however have to wind down his window ( Type-Ra ) and adjust his mirrors by hand ( Type-Ra ) to see what's behind him.
A Rally driver wont have an airbag ( Type R ) go off in his face if he hit's a tree.
He will however go flying through the windscreen ( Type-Ra ) and taste the bark.
Type-Ra's rock in std form ..
Nothing comes close for the sole purpose of what Subaru built these cars for other than the 22b.. I've got a RA version 6 and I have an airbag, leccy windows and mirrors plus AC and a roof vent.. I do not have much sound proofing and that is exactly what I wanted. oh, I think it's Race Altered, but who cares.
THe RA is a the lighter car and thus making it a bit quicker, the RA has a stiffer Chassis, thus making it the choice for rallying.