Notices
General Technical
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: CARiD

What sparkplugs are the 500bhp cars using on Scoobynet!!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 25 August 2008 | 06:53 PM
  #1  
dougwrx's Avatar
dougwrx
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 480
Likes: 0
From: Running gt3542 rotated and loving the POWER!!!!!!!
Default What sparkplugs are the 500bhp cars using on Scoobynet!!

My car has started to get a missfire at 1.8bar and its getting right on my **** I know that there are some high power scoobs on here in excess of 460bhp so any help would be appreciated, checked all the usual boost pipes, coil packs are no more than 2 years old running map sensor so defo not maf aaarrghhhh.


Cheers Dougie
Old 25 August 2008 | 08:40 PM
  #2  
ZEN Performance's Avatar
ZEN Performance
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,859
Likes: 0
From: Wellingborough, Northamptonshire
Default

you need ether uprated coilpacks or some NGK 7434-8 plugs. We run the coils on our TimeAttack car and have sold a number to people in your position. The plugs might be enough on their own, but maybe not.
Old 25 August 2008 | 09:05 PM
  #3  
frayz's Avatar
frayz
Essex Area Moderator
Essex Subaru Owners Club Badge
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 19,945
Likes: 2
From: "Engineering Perfection in Essex"
Default

NGK racing 8s i guess but as Paul said, uprated coils might be needed also.
Old 25 August 2008 | 09:11 PM
  #4  
dougwrx's Avatar
dougwrx
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 480
Likes: 0
From: Running gt3542 rotated and loving the POWER!!!!!!!
Default

Originally Posted by Zen Performance
you need ether uprated coilpacks or some NGK 7434-8 plugs. We run the coils on our TimeAttack car and have sold a number to people in your position. The plugs might be enough on their own, but maybe not.
Thanks for the reply Paul, I did a search on 22b and found a thread done by gazza1980sti with the same sort of problem as me and he sorted it with some of your TM coils, I think I will try the plugs then maybe coil packs from yourselfs.

Cheers Dougie
Old 25 August 2008 | 09:13 PM
  #5  
dougwrx's Avatar
dougwrx
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 480
Likes: 0
From: Running gt3542 rotated and loving the POWER!!!!!!!
Default

Originally Posted by frayz
NGK racing 8s i guess but as Paul said, uprated coils might be needed also.
Cheers Frayz gonna try the 8s and see how it goes, just want to get the missfire sorted before I fit the nitrous .


Cheers Dougie
Old 26 August 2008 | 04:44 PM
  #6  
Neil..'s Avatar
Neil..
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (35)
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,784
Likes: 0
Default

From what I remember Dougie, I had the same problem with mine...

8 plugs needed, then some coil packs..

I couldn't be ar$ed, so I sold the damn engine...
Old 26 August 2008 | 05:08 PM
  #7  
marklemac's Avatar
marklemac
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,986
Likes: 0
From: Southampton*** MY02 STi, Black/Blue Mica Prodrive Style, mildly modded :) :). ***
Default

I'm running NGK PFR7B's gapped to 0.6
Old 26 August 2008 | 05:25 PM
  #8  
banny sti's Avatar
banny sti
Scooby Senior
iTrader: (68)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 16,598
Likes: 22
From: Type R
Default

Racing 8's for me

Banny
Old 26 August 2008 | 06:45 PM
  #9  
Shaun's Avatar
Shaun
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 8,617
Likes: 23
From: 5 beats 4 - RS3 Rulez!!!
Default

Originally Posted by marklemac
I'm running NGK PFR7B's gapped to 0.6
I assume the ignition system on a Newage is better then as I believe I have 7's in as well. Plugs have been in for over 15k miles and I have never had any misfires.
Old 27 August 2008 | 09:52 AM
  #10  
Neil..'s Avatar
Neil..
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (35)
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,784
Likes: 0
Default

Ignition system on a newage is far better than the early classics.
Old 28 August 2008 | 07:26 AM
  #11  
dougwrx's Avatar
dougwrx
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 480
Likes: 0
From: Running gt3542 rotated and loving the POWER!!!!!!!
Default

Update!!! I changed the plugs for 8s and I thought it cured the missfire but after driving it hard for 25/30 mins it started again, it only seems to happen when getting really hot I rechecked all the pipe work as when just hitting full boost there was a hissing just as the missfire started, could it be a fualty dumpvalve loosing pressure at 2.0bar then altering manifold pressure causing a missfire????? any ideas


Cheers Guys in advance


Dougie
Old 28 August 2008 | 08:42 AM
  #12  
marklemac's Avatar
marklemac
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,986
Likes: 0
From: Southampton*** MY02 STi, Black/Blue Mica Prodrive Style, mildly modded :) :). ***
Default

Blank off the dump valve and go for another run.
Old 28 August 2008 | 03:59 PM
  #13  
Fai17's Avatar
Fai17
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,447
Likes: 0
From: MY 10s blobeye 10.87@132 2.35/TO4Z next
Default

Originally Posted by Zen Performance
you need ether uprated coilpacks or some NGK 7434-8 plugs. We run the coils on our TimeAttack car and have sold a number to people in your position. The plugs might be enough on their own, but maybe not.

Thats the plugs i use...
Old 29 August 2008 | 01:42 PM
  #14  
Fangoria's Avatar
Fangoria
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 1,841
Likes: 0
Default

I also used to use Racing 8's
Now use Iridium IK01's on advice from Bob

Used to have mis-fire issue but with some very aggresive runs it went away after a couple of weeks - Bizarre..........

Where can you buy something to blank off the Dump valve (APS) - can you buy them especially? - certainly should be cheap!
Old 29 August 2008 | 01:49 PM
  #15  
banny sti's Avatar
banny sti
Scooby Senior
iTrader: (68)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 16,598
Likes: 22
From: Type R
Default

Just a couple of silicone pipes bungs should do the trick, no need to buy something especially for them

Banny
Old 29 August 2008 | 02:18 PM
  #16  
Fangoria's Avatar
Fangoria
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 1,841
Likes: 0
Default

Where can I get them? - would be a reasonable sized bung in the APS pipe between the dump valve and the engine intake
Old 29 August 2008 | 02:25 PM
  #17  
banny sti's Avatar
banny sti
Scooby Senior
iTrader: (68)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 16,598
Likes: 22
From: Type R
Default

I bought the pipe from a local motor factors. I blocked either end off with the small silicone pipe and bung that comes with a vta dump valve kit.

If the intercooler pipe size is larger just buy a slightly larger silicone pipe and appropriate sized bung, also remeber to block the vac inlet off on the inlet manifold.

Banny
Old 29 August 2008 | 05:32 PM
  #18  
stevebt's Avatar
stevebt
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 16,732
Likes: 33
Default

If you look at this picture you can see how the dump valve part has been blocked off with blue samco hose

Old 29 August 2008 | 06:40 PM
  #19  
Fangoria's Avatar
Fangoria
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 1,841
Likes: 0
Default

So you've got a bung in the middle held by the 2 jubilee clips
I did this but the bung I was using blew out under pressure - need a better bung - just didnt know where to get from....
Nice engine

I have to deal with crap clutches, blowing gaskets and stupid engine support bracket at the moment, once done my car will be better.... live and learn with some garages
Old 29 August 2008 | 07:11 PM
  #20  
dazdavies's Avatar
dazdavies
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 7,061
Likes: 82
From: N/A
Default

Originally Posted by dougwrx
Update!!! I changed the plugs for 8s and I thought it cured the missfire but after driving it hard for 25/30 mins it started again, it only seems to happen when getting really hot I rechecked all the pipe work as when just hitting full boost there was a hissing just as the missfire started, could it be a fualty dumpvalve loosing pressure at 2.0bar then altering manifold pressure causing a missfire????? any ideas


Cheers Guys in advance


Dougie

I had something very similar to this last year. I tried re earthing everything, changed leads, coilpacks, plugs etc. In the end it was a bit of grease on the face of the crank sensor. It would only cause issues every now and again but always reared its head when the car got hot and had a few hard runs.

Try cleaning crank and cam sensors. It's a bit of a long shot but it worked for me.

Cheers

Daz
Old 29 August 2008 | 08:10 PM
  #21  
dougwrx's Avatar
dougwrx
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 480
Likes: 0
From: Running gt3542 rotated and loving the POWER!!!!!!!
Default

Originally Posted by dazdavies
I had something very similar to this last year. I tried re earthing everything, changed leads, coilpacks, plugs etc. In the end it was a bit of grease on the face of the crank sensor. It would only cause issues every now and again but always reared its head when the car got hot and had a few hard runs.

Try cleaning crank and cam sensors. It's a bit of a long shot but it worked for me.

Cheers

Daz
Cheers Daz I will have a look at that over the weekend and I will try all other ideas and post outcome.


Cheers for the replys

Dougie
Old 29 August 2008 | 08:51 PM
  #22  
dougwrx's Avatar
dougwrx
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 480
Likes: 0
From: Running gt3542 rotated and loving the POWER!!!!!!!
Default

Originally Posted by stevebt
If you look at this picture you can see how the dump valve part has been blocked off with blue samco hose


Hi Steve, are you not running a dump valve on yours?


Cheers Dougie
Old 29 August 2008 | 08:57 PM
  #23  
stevebt's Avatar
stevebt
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 16,732
Likes: 33
Default

Never ran a dump valve on mine. Thats the way the big power builds work
Old 30 August 2008 | 08:06 AM
  #24  
dougwrx's Avatar
dougwrx
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 480
Likes: 0
From: Running gt3542 rotated and loving the POWER!!!!!!!
Default

Originally Posted by stevebt
Never ran a dump valve on mine. Thats the way the big power builds work

Mmmmm didnt know that, what is the reasoning behind it?

Cheers Dougie
Old 30 August 2008 | 10:35 AM
  #25  
ZEN Performance's Avatar
ZEN Performance
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,859
Likes: 0
From: Wellingborough, Northamptonshire
Default

pay's for the wastegate!
Old 30 August 2008 | 11:05 AM
  #26  
dazdavies's Avatar
dazdavies
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 7,061
Likes: 82
From: N/A
Default

lol @ Paul. How many £400 dump valves do you sell then
Old 30 August 2008 | 11:10 AM
  #27  
frayz's Avatar
frayz
Essex Area Moderator
Essex Subaru Owners Club Badge
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 19,945
Likes: 2
From: "Engineering Perfection in Essex"
Default

Tial maybe
Old 30 August 2008 | 06:25 PM
  #28  
stevebt's Avatar
stevebt
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 16,732
Likes: 33
Default

Originally Posted by dazdavies
lol @ Paul. How many £400 dump valves do you sell then

My last wastegate from paul was only £270
Old 31 August 2008 | 04:45 PM
  #29  
Shaun's Avatar
Shaun
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 8,617
Likes: 23
From: 5 beats 4 - RS3 Rulez!!!
Default

Originally Posted by stevebt
Never ran a dump valve on mine. Thats the way the big power builds work
But yours aint big power!!!
Old 31 August 2008 | 06:35 PM
  #30  
stevebt's Avatar
stevebt
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 16,732
Likes: 33
Default

pmsl at shaun The cars away now for my heads to be refitted and my new rods, After that is done my car is ready to be mapped properly. The proof will be in the 1/4 mile and I'm hoping to get mine into the 10's


Quick Reply: What sparkplugs are the 500bhp cars using on Scoobynet!!



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:04 PM.