forced performance, FP red turbo! any good/anyone got one?
10 November 2008, 08:20 PM
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forced performance, FP red turbo! any good/anyone got one?
just wondering what these turbos are like,ie spool up,lag?
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11 November 2008, 12:17 AM
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One failure doesn't make all the turbos bad.
Plenty of people using these on Evos are having much better experiences with them, and they have a worldwide following.
What is your intended power goal Danny, as there may be a better turbo for your application.
Plenty of people using these on Evos are having much better experiences with them, and they have a worldwide following.
What is your intended power goal Danny, as there may be a better turbo for your application.
11 November 2008, 12:31 AM
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if you get that much power on pump gas from a standard fit turbo let me know cause im just buying a GT35 set up to make that power and you can save me a lot of money
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11 November 2008, 01:04 AM
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That may be hard to acheive on pump fuel in stock location, I have a Blouch Dominator 4 on trial at the moment which is supposed to be good for it.
Will be a little while until the engine is built and ran in enough to give a verdict though.
Will be a little while until the engine is built and ran in enough to give a verdict though.
11 November 2008, 06:43 AM
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i kno but he asked what thee like so i just said what mt mae exsperianced . maybe you should speak to andy forest etc etc he will tel you what you need .
11 November 2008, 07:14 AM
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Then a red or green would be ideal, the spool up is like stock, better than all the bigger turbo kits (spool wise), but obviously power lacks compared to some of the big boy turbo's etc. But still good for a lot of power aswell.
11 November 2008, 12:50 PM
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So a standard position turbo will do..... but have you got the ***** to run it?!
And when are people going to stop concentrating on peak figures!!!!
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as i said im looking for 550, 600 bhp max what sort of turbos are good for this in stock position? if possible!
Also whats the FP red good for 550 ish?
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11 November 2008, 08:46 PM
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1 was dyno'd yesterday on a stock engine.
492bhp and 412lbft however his clutch was slipping, so not 100% true reflection of what it can do.
Btw it was my FP Green that is mentioned above, that snapped and killed itself and my engine.
My Green is not the only failure like this fwiw.
11 November 2008, 08:48 PM
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It takes an awful lot more than just turbo choice to get anywhere near 600bhp. Especially to do it reliably. Also the only two people to get anywhere near that on standard position bolt-ons are Duncan and Shaun.
I think you have to seriously consider the MD321T/V over the FP turbos as they have proven themselves countless times!!
I think you have to seriously consider the MD321T/V over the FP turbos as they have proven themselves countless times!!
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It takes an awful lot more than just turbo choice to get anywhere near 600bhp. Especially to do it reliably. Also the only two people to get anywhere near that on standard position bolt-ons are Duncan and Shaun.
I think you have to seriously consider the MD321T/V over the FP turbos as they have proven themselves countless times!!
I think you have to seriously consider the MD321T/V over the FP turbos as they have proven themselves countless times!!
What are duncan and shaun running?
11 November 2008, 09:22 PM
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I am running the latest spec AET standard position turbo on a Cosworth 2.5l blue printed engine. The current turbo has acheived 498.5bhp / 523ftlb on Zen's RR on Pump Fuel (currently the most power Zen has run on VPower with a standard position turbo on a Scoob). 480ftlb is available from 3500rpm..... so that gives you an indication on how driveable this car is and that you do not have to assume big bhp means crap driveability. It used to mean that.... but not anymore!
My engine/turbo has already run 485bhp / 550ftlb AT THE HUBS on VPower, but that was during testing, and it was run up at 2.5bar peak boost and 2.2bar @ peak power. I will not run this kind of boost on VPower normally.
Car is now being finished off at Tracktive Solutions and will be re-run at Zen in the coming weeks, to compare figures again (still on VPower). The previous run at Zen was using a very very safe map (long story) and needs to be optimised. We hope to increase the previous figures, whilst still maintaining a usable (for all purposes - road, track & 1/4m) set-up.
Both mine and Duncan's car are being compared on the same rollers and we aim to continue that for the time being, since the spec's are losely similar. lol
I will leave Duncan to do the hard sell on his.
Things are changing on both our cars all the time.
As already said.... the turbo is only part of the story and it IS a long and expensive journey. Also note, both of us use our cars hard and have both done 9k+miles since being built.
My engine/turbo has already run 485bhp / 550ftlb AT THE HUBS on VPower, but that was during testing, and it was run up at 2.5bar peak boost and 2.2bar @ peak power. I will not run this kind of boost on VPower normally.
Car is now being finished off at Tracktive Solutions and will be re-run at Zen in the coming weeks, to compare figures again (still on VPower). The previous run at Zen was using a very very safe map (long story) and needs to be optimised. We hope to increase the previous figures, whilst still maintaining a usable (for all purposes - road, track & 1/4m) set-up.
Both mine and Duncan's car are being compared on the same rollers and we aim to continue that for the time being, since the spec's are losely similar. lol
I will leave Duncan to do the hard sell on his.
Things are changing on both our cars all the time.
As already said.... the turbo is only part of the story and it IS a long and expensive journey. Also note, both of us use our cars hard and have both done 9k+miles since being built.
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11 November 2008, 09:29 PM
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11 November 2008, 09:30 PM
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Dannytwo,
Just to add... I would be quietly confident I could reach near (all things being equal) 600bhp on my current set-up with VP Import, but doing that is not going to be cheap. Assuming the engine would hold together and it fell short, than a 25bhp shot of gas on top should do the trick. I will hopefully find out in the coming months.
It depends on how far you want to go and much money you have. As one tuner once said to me "How fast can you afford to go?"
Just to add... I would be quietly confident I could reach near (all things being equal) 600bhp on my current set-up with VP Import, but doing that is not going to be cheap. Assuming the engine would hold together and it fell short, than a 25bhp shot of gas on top should do the trick.
I will hopefully find out in the coming months. It depends on how far you want to go and much money you have. As one tuner once said to me "How fast can you afford to go?"
11 November 2008, 09:52 PM
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Anything and everything. I used to do competition track events and Duncan still does. We both do public track days and have both done 1/4m stuff. We also drive these cars on the road as well.
Importantly both cars have been developed to take the rigours of hard driving on track. Both cars have extensive ancillaries like competition adequate fuel systems, breather systems, suspension and braking.
As we have both said before.... the engine and the power is only part of the game. To give you some idea, mine is costed at around £24k+ Labour + the car (it's a Spec C) to get to where I am now.
Currently, both cars cope with the type of power and use they are subjected to...... but this is at a cost.
Full details on my car and how it has been developed is all here (apart from the latest turbo, but that chapter will be added very soon) -> https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...roduction.html
Duncan also has a Project thread running on ScoobyNet.
I used to do competition track events and Duncan still does. We both do public track days and have both done 1/4m stuff. We also drive these cars on the road as well.Importantly both cars have been developed to take the rigours of hard driving on track. Both cars have extensive ancillaries like competition adequate fuel systems, breather systems, suspension and braking.
As we have both said before.... the engine and the power is only part of the game. To give you some idea, mine is costed at around £24k+ Labour + the car (it's a Spec C) to get to where I am now.
Currently, both cars cope with the type of power and use they are subjected to...... but this is at a cost.
Full details on my car and how it has been developed is all here (apart from the latest turbo, but that chapter will be added very soon) -> https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...roduction.html
Duncan also has a Project thread running on ScoobyNet.
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11 November 2008, 10:12 PM
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I am running a APS 2.5 engine conversion fully forged, the only thing that im not to happy with is the turbo as it is at its limit now,APS sr50!
All of the transmission and drivetrain and braking has been modified to suit the sort of power i am looking for, just choosing the right turbo seems to be a problem at tho moment,as their are so many different views on them!.
I apreciate you info,cheers
Dannytwo
All of the transmission and drivetrain and braking has been modified to suit the sort of power i am looking for, just choosing the right turbo seems to be a problem at tho moment,as their are so many different views on them!.
I apreciate you info,cheers
Dannytwo