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Old 14 January 2009 | 01:27 PM
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My current mods are (that I know of, as it was modded when bought):

Engine:
3" Full de-catted Stainless Exhaust, including up and down pipe
K&N Cold Air Intake
Walbro Fuel Pump
HKS Fuel Pressure Regulator
ECUTek Remap by Scoobyclinic
Dump Valve
AVCR

Handling:
Whiteline Anti-Lift Kit
Front & Rear Anti-Roll Bars
Front & Rear Strut Braces
Spec C Suspension


My next step was going to be FMIC (ordering very soon), 650cc Injectors, and a MD321T, and a remap from JGM.

I am still going to do the above, but am going to drive to Slovakia via Nurburgring in the summer with the girlfriend, as that's where she is from. But I don't think I can afford the turbo and injectors before we go. Could use my credit card, but don't know if I fancy going a few thousand in debt considering the current climate........

So, is there any "cheaper" mods which I can add along with the FMIC and JGM remap? Or is the next step the turbo and injectors really?
Oh, I will be getting a geometry setup done as well.


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Old 14 January 2009 | 01:30 PM
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Some decent pads and maybe some water/methanol injection

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Oh yeah, sorry mean't to add I will be getting new pads and discs, as they are on their way out as well.

Whats water/methanol injection?
Old 14 January 2009 | 01:53 PM
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Have a search for aquamist on google for full info

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What if your not really having Det problems? Is there any point?

suppress detonation caused by
high temperature and pressure developed
within the combustion chamber when
the effective compression ratio has
been taken beyond the auto-ignition point
by either a turbo or a supercharger.
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Any more suggestions?

Thanks guys.
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What if your not really having Det problems? Is there any point?
When injecting water and methanol, you can safely run a leaner mixture and more ignition advance, and your engine will make more power.

IIRC - my car made an additional 30hp with an aquamist WI kit, running at just under 500hp.

The downside to this is that you are effectively eating into the safety margins of engine operation, and rely on the WI system working 100%, although the systems generally come with failsafes to drop boost or map-switch etc, if there is a system fault.

You can use WI just for added safety, if you don't map for it, and just fit a kit. - The car will probably make less power than without it though.

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Oh right, I see how it works now. I didn't really understand why you'd want it.

If I was going to get something like that, I would map with it. I hear what your saying about the downside though.........But, the additional 30hp sounds good from just the WI!!!
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bttt

Any more recommendations?


Thanks a lot
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aqua mist is way ott for the level of tune. you'd still need turbo, injectors etc so not worth it for what it is.

Turbo, front mount, injectors and re-remap lol, or possibly after market ecu.

would prob get a decent set of gauges (oil temp, oil pressure and boost pressure) and nock link on it to keep an eye, you maybe starting to get to high oil temps levels and without the gauges you wouldn't know.

clutch and gearbox should be ok at that level, but if clutch has had a hard life then might be too much for it.
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yeah, thought the next step might have only been FMIC, Injectors and Turbo to be honest!

I want the MD321T, but being about £1000 more than the TD05-20g it's quite a lot of money......albeit it is a better turbo all round! lol

I'm going to upgrade my clutch when it starts slipping, as I'm not sure whats in there........it might be a brilliant one, so wouldn't want to buy a new one if its going to be fine. But yeah, I'm half expecting a new clutch....
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there gonna be the biggest concern i'd have thought so you should be ok
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Wouldn't the MD321H be the better choice of turbo for a 2 litre car?
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From emailing Lateral and Andy F, they both said MD321T's.....

Although they are pretty expensive
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Certainly not going to argue with Andy F and Lateral, but the MD321H is a 400bhp turbo on a 2litre. Are you looking for more than that?
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I would have thought a MD321H would have been better although lateral and Andy F know what they are talking about. I was considering this turbo but I just can't justify £1600 for it .

How about unequal length headers ceramic coated or ported manifold?

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Well I would like at least 400bhp, with the scope to uprate the internals in the future.

Would unequal length headers ceramic coated or ported manifold do much bhp wise?
Old 16 January 2009 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisdicko
Would unequal length headers ceramic coated or ported manifold do much bhp wise?
Probably not alot but I'm no expert but if you going further with your mods in the future they would be one less thing to buy.
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Yeah that's very true mate.
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25 bhp is around the maximum on a VF35, but obviously helps more around 400+ bhp as everything is pushed to the limit....

I'll tell you more when Rick @ RE Motorsport gets my clutch fitted !

LOL

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P.S. I did the ceramic + MD321H and it's still needs mapping, ( but fooo me ! )
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just a word of advice, dont get hung up on the MD series of turbos, they are very good but there not the only ones out there. Around that sort of power level theres alot of options for turbos.
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What else could you recommend Tidgy?

Looking on the Scoobyclinic website, they have Garratt one's. Are these a straight swap?
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Area52 are having a sale at the moment....

LOL

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Chris why don't you have a chat to JGM, sure he'll be happy to advise.

If you can afford the 321T and injectors, then add those and get it mapped. There are quite a few happily running the T on a 2.0l. Otherwise, just run it as is for now and save for the quality bits in the mean time.

The fact that most of the tuners run the MD321 turbo's on their own cars speaks volumes to me.

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Yeah, I think it shows a lot that they do run the T's!

But they are expensive But I suppose you get what you pay for.
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