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Old 27 January 2009, 11:30 AM
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Default At what point will i need an uprated fuel pump and injectors?

Im planning on pushing my WRX wagon over the 300 bhp mark, im going to go for a full turbo back system, de cats, air filter, boost controller, colder sparks.

But at what point does the fuel pump need replacing? i think ill get a walboro just for the crack to be safe. Also how much power can the standard WRX injectors cope with?

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Also on another note..can anyone tell me what size the prodrive 18 inch 10 spoke wheels are? ive found some on ebay that are 18 x 7.5, but i thought they would be 8.....

Old 27 January 2009, 12:43 PM
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Year and model please
(some are quite different to others! )

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Old 27 January 2009, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
Year and model please
(some are quite different to others! )

Tony
Sorry its a 1998 WRX Wagon Import
Old 27 January 2009, 03:32 PM
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Just needed to check out the faq's but just as i thought, if yours is a 98 then its a full 280ps car anyway, your fuel pump should be good to 320-330bhp, its only when you start going higher that i would look at something a little better

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Tony, if you mean full 280ps as i OE, then it's not, wagon came with Td04.
So Ste, you can't push very much more than abt. 260-270hp out of the turbo you currently have.
Your injectors should be (grey top) 380cc, I think they will max out together with your turbo, with OE fuelpressure...
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Originally Posted by Adam K
Tony, if you mean full 280ps as i OE, then it's not, wagon came with Td04.
So Ste, you can't push very much more than abt. 260-270hp out of the turbo you currently have.
Your injectors should be (grey top) 380cc, I think they will max out together with your turbo, with OE fuelpressure...
Its a phase 1.5 wagon, 280ps according to the documentation though the earlier wagons were 220ps running a td04
The funny thing is that early UK wagons ran a TD05 turbo and in 97 changed to a td04!

Tony

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If you're planning 18" wheels it's worth checking the offset requirements. On the new age wagon, certainly, then most 18" wheels will rub against the arches, especially with lowered suspension: a new age wagon (sans flared arches) needs around a 52 offset on 18" wheels, whereas most such wheels are 48. I don't know what the situation is on the classic wagon, but worth checking before you shell out on wheels.

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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
Its a phase 1.5 wagon, 280ps according to the documentation though the earlier wagons were 220ps running a td04
The funny thing is that early UK wagons ran a TD05 turbo and in 97 changed to a td04!

Tony
Won't argue with that!
The little I thought I knew became even less....
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except it is a 98..
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Originally Posted by Ste333
Sorry its a 1998 WRX Wagon Import
Whoa!

If MY98 (Sep 97 to Aug 98) then WRX Wagon 250PS....(Auto 240PS)
If MY99 (Sep 98 to Aug 99) then WRX Wagon 240PS... (Auto 240PS)

Only the WRX STi Wagons from MY97 (Version III) had 280PS!
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Originally Posted by joz8968
Whoa!

If MY98 (Sep 97 to Aug 98) then WRX Wagon 250PS....(Auto 240PS)


Only the WRX STi Wagons from MY97 (Version III) had 280PS!
Its the 250ps one i believe.....

No its not at STi unfortunately

So your telling me that my turbo can only cope with 280bhp?
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Originally Posted by Ste333
Its the 250ps one i believe.....

No its not at STi unfortunately

So your telling me that my turbo can only cope with 280bhp?
Pretty much, yes. TD04L is pretty much at the limit at 280-odd.

Why not get a decent 2nd hand TD05H 16G (as fitted to early WRX saloons), for about £100? Then get it fitted and, together with your decat/system, swap out inj's for 440s (or 550s), a mappable ECU and a remap at 1.35bar, will get you up to about 330-350bhp...

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doesnt sound like a bad plan...the guy i got the car off gave me a turbo actually....he said its from an Sti.... i have no idea what power etc its capable of though. Any ideas? I think its from an STi of a similar age.
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I would stick an uprated pump on any Impreza over 10 years old, for the sake of 80 quid it saves it leaning off at the top end.
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Originally Posted by Ste333
doesnt sound like a bad plan...the guy i got the car off gave me a turbo actually....he said its from an Sti.... i have no idea what power etc its capable of though. Any ideas? I think its from an STi of a similar age.
Yeah, it would be easier getting a turbo of similar vintage, as it'll be front entry and replace your TD04L without changing intake hose, etc. I think the MY98 STi turbo is a VF24. Considered a 'small' turbo, but should be good for 300bhp - maybe more? - but spools up nice and low down, similar to your TD04 . However, if you reckon you'll only be happy this side of 350bhp, then get a VF35 or VF34. Always available 2nd hand on here or eBay...

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Originally Posted by joz8968
Yeah, it would be easier getting a turbo of similar vintage, as it'll be front entry and replace your TD04L without changing intake hose, etc. I think the MY98 STi turbo is a VF24. Considered a 'small' turbo, but should be good for 300bhp - maybe more? - but spools up nice and low down, similar to your TD04 . However, if you reckon you'll only be happy this side of 350bhp, then get a VF35 or VF34. Always available 2nd hand on here or eBay...
Ive discovered an invoice with this mysterious turbo....its for £650, and its labelled VF34

I have no idea if it needs a recon or not. Ive checked it and theres no play etc and the blades seem in a good condition. What is it off then?
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Originally Posted by Ste333
Ive discovered an invoice with this mysterious turbo....its for £650, and its labelled VF34

I have no idea if it needs a recon or not. Ive checked it and theres no play etc and the blades seem in a good condition. What is it off then?
vf34 is off a newage sti..

nice turbo and perfect upgrade

Simon
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Originally Posted by Jolly Green Monster
vf34 is off a newage sti..

nice turbo and perfect upgrade

Simon
i doubt its a straight fit....
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you doubt wrong

will bolt straight on as your current turbo should be front entry.

You just need to use a VF banjo oil supply bolt rather than the td04 one, injectors and an ecu and remap and you are away.

Simon
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Ste333, sorted, eh?
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Sorry OT, but Simon, what's wrong with the oe oil supply banjo bolt?
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Originally Posted by Adam K
Sorry OT, but Simon, what's wrong with the oe oil supply banjo bolt?
Different make of turbo, therefore different bolt thread size/length?

Simon?...
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the td series are unrestricted large hole banjo bolt.. the VF are smaller with a restrictor.. something like 0.8mm.. although best if you get the banjo bolt with the turbo to be sure it is correct

Simon
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I'm a goldfish did get banjo bolt with my turbos!
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Originally Posted by Jolly Green Monster
the td series are unrestricted large hole banjo bolt.. the VF are smaller with a restrictor.. something like 0.8mm.. although best if you get the banjo bolt with the turbo to be sure it is correct

Simon

does the VF43 oil supply pipe from 2006 STi have this restrictor in it Simon?
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Originally Posted by dynamix
does the VF43 oil supply pipe from 2006 STi have this restrictor in it Simon?
not sure.. if you remove the banjo bolt.. the hole in it will be fairly small if restricted and fairly large if not.. as silly as that sounds.

Simon
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If you find the vf 34 dont fit your car I will buy it from you just what I am looking for to replace my vf 28 and you can buy the correct one to fit your car without messing around drop me a pm any time
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