please help!!!!how do you turn up the boost?
#1
please help!!!!how do you turn up the boost?
iv just got my first wrx it surpost to be runing 350 bhp but it not got a turbo timer inside car dose that mean i carnt ajust the boost bar??? help please any one.nice 1 adrian.
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Ok....... right to start with, if you dont know what your doing, dont do it just turning up the boost will cause all sorts of other (normally expensive) issues to arise (engines blowing up etc).
To start with, dont go by bs figures you have been given, what WRX is it (classic or new age, wagon or saloon) as the standard bhp varies between years (so also give the model year of the car )
Any mods on the car?
I think starting there is best
1. Mods on car
2. Model year
3. Wagon (5 door) or saloon (4 door) or type R (2 door)
Tony
To start with, dont go by bs figures you have been given, what WRX is it (classic or new age, wagon or saloon) as the standard bhp varies between years (so also give the model year of the car )
Any mods on the car?
I think starting there is best
1. Mods on car
2. Model year
3. Wagon (5 door) or saloon (4 door) or type R (2 door)
Tony
#4
350 bhp is alot for a wrx, it all depend on what has been done to it. a turbo timer is for cooling down the turbo before shutdown. if your going to up the boost properly get it maped with supporting mods, there are way of turning the boost up on the cheap ie bleed valve/ dawes device, sortening actuator rod but it will end in if the fuel and air mix isnt right. do it once and do it right, it will cost a fair chunk to get it mapped but it will be cheaper than a new engine
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As said above, you need to post up as much info of your car as poss before anyone on here can start to assist you.
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list of parts fitted to car already.
hks indution kit
apexi power intake filter
bailey forged dump valve
hybrid turbo,not sure of make
twin fans instulled both sides of rad.
re maped
full stainless system including de-cate pipe
front mounted inter cooler
samco hose kit
fully ajusterble suspention
carbon bonnet.
all this on a 1994 jap import.
apexi power intake filter
bailey forged dump valve
hybrid turbo,not sure of make
twin fans instulled both sides of rad.
re maped
full stainless system including de-cate pipe
front mounted inter cooler
samco hose kit
fully ajusterble suspention
carbon bonnet.
all this on a 1994 jap import.
#9
Ok....... right to start with, if you dont know what your doing, dont do it just turning up the boost will cause all sorts of other (normally expensive) issues to arise (engines blowing up etc).
To start with, dont go by bs figures you have been given, what WRX is it (classic or new age, wagon or saloon) as the standard bhp varies between years (so also give the model year of the car )
Any mods on the car?
I think starting there is best
1. Mods on car
2. Model year
3. Wagon (5 door) or saloon (4 door) or type R (2 door)
Tony
To start with, dont go by bs figures you have been given, what WRX is it (classic or new age, wagon or saloon) as the standard bhp varies between years (so also give the model year of the car )
Any mods on the car?
I think starting there is best
1. Mods on car
2. Model year
3. Wagon (5 door) or saloon (4 door) or type R (2 door)
Tony
list of parts fitted to car already.
hks indution kit
apexi power intake filter
bailey forged dump valve
hybrid turbo,not sure of make
twin fans instulled both sides of rad.
re maped
full stainless system including de-cate pipe
front mounted inter cooler
samco hose kit
fully ajusterble suspention
carbon bonnet.
all this on a 1994 jap import.
cheers for the help mate.i dont want to blow car up.lol.
rather no how i can ajust the boost so i dont do this.
#10
Adrian, i'm not being funny but if you think a turbo timer is for controlling the boost then you have a lot to learn. It is a steep learning curve and you need to glean as much info as you can re your car before making 'any' mods, if you are not 'mech minded' then seek proffesional assistance, dbay is correct, it can so easily end in tears
As said above, you need to post up as much info of your car as poss before anyone on here can start to assist you.
As said above, you need to post up as much info of your car as poss before anyone on here can start to assist you.
I know we were all new to the scene at some stage and it can be a steep learning curve. i don't want to slag the people off here on SN, there are a lot of people on here who are very competent and give good advice, but conversely there are a vast amount of "pub" mechanics who talk out their ****. If you want good advice go to a good master technician/mechanic who has worked on subarus/ tuned subarus and know what they are talking about, can talk sensibly to you about what modification will suit the car and your pocket.
sorry for the hijack and rant
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Noobs now have youtube to allow them to do major mods to their scoobs. I have to serious laugh at some people who, rather than spending money on getting a professional to do the job right, will come on here and ask how to do something thinking it is really simple. They simply have no conception of how mechanical stuff works with each other. then as above they come on here and gurn about how they melted their engine and how do i fix it, spending even more money than they would have if they had had the work done by a proper mechanic who knows what they are doing.
I know we were all new to the scene at some stage and it can be a steep learning curve. i don't want to slag the people off here on SN, there are a lot of people on here who are very competent and give good advice, but conversely there are a vast amount of "pub" mechanics who talk out their ****. If you want good advice go to a good master technician/mechanic who has worked on subarus/ tuned subarus and know what they are talking about, can talk sensibly to you about what modification will suit the car and your pocket.
sorry for the hijack and rant
I know we were all new to the scene at some stage and it can be a steep learning curve. i don't want to slag the people off here on SN, there are a lot of people on here who are very competent and give good advice, but conversely there are a vast amount of "pub" mechanics who talk out their ****. If you want good advice go to a good master technician/mechanic who has worked on subarus/ tuned subarus and know what they are talking about, can talk sensibly to you about what modification will suit the car and your pocket.
sorry for the hijack and rant
thanks for the boost of confidence mate.was just asking if it could be done at home.
so your advice is to go to a garage to have it done?????.
in your rant lol you mention pub mechanic wel im a landlord of a pub.haha.
#13
fink i should change what i want to no.
what advice can ppl give me to what is the best part to get to control the boost of my 1994 wrx 4 door subaru??? i wana be able to control it from inside the car.so i can run it on the lowest setting for day 2 day driving but at sum points of the week i wana be able to turn it up.cheers adrian.
p.s, i would be getting a garage to fit it. but dont wana get riped off by them.
p.s, i would be getting a garage to fit it. but dont wana get riped off by them.
#14
In which case i think you will be looking at some thing like the Apexi Power FC with boost control kit c.£800. Other options also available, look here
www.jollygreenmonster.co.uk
What ECU are you running now?? As you state you have a re-map it will either be a after-market ECU or have the ESL daughter board fitted.
Do a search on here for 'duel boost map' or simular
www.jollygreenmonster.co.uk
What ECU are you running now?? As you state you have a re-map it will either be a after-market ECU or have the ESL daughter board fitted.
Do a search on here for 'duel boost map' or simular
#15
thanks mate iv got a garage doing a ecu test for me next week to tel me what sort.wel tel me if its been done and what sort.iv seen sum1 on here selling a in car boost control for 2oo pounds would that be a cheap 1 or do fink it would be worth buying?? it says it took his car from 230bhp up to 360bhp.if that the truth it would take mine from from 350 to 480bhp.
it sounds to good to be true to me tho for little money. what you fink mate??
it sounds to good to be true to me tho for little money. what you fink mate??
Last edited by legacey boy; 18 September 2009 at 11:54 AM. Reason: wrong word
#16
Don't believe the hype.
Lift the carpet in the front passenger footwell and remove the cover plate, the ECU will be staring you in the face. Take a picture and post it on here.
If() you do have a mappable ECU you 'do not' want to be messing around with the map by adding on silly boost controllers, it will as i and others have stated end in tears!!
There is no cheap safe way to do this.
350 bhp on your car is plenty for standard internals anyway!!!!!!!!
Lift the carpet in the front passenger footwell and remove the cover plate, the ECU will be staring you in the face. Take a picture and post it on here.
If() you do have a mappable ECU you 'do not' want to be messing around with the map by adding on silly boost controllers, it will as i and others have stated end in tears!!
There is no cheap safe way to do this.
350 bhp on your car is plenty for standard internals anyway!!!!!!!!
Last edited by Glowplug; 18 September 2009 at 12:11 PM.
#17
That is absurd I am afraid. It takes major money to get to 350bhp, and huge wads of cash to get over 400bhp safely.
If the boost is standard at the moment, it is possible to very slightly just turn up the boost - however, it is much much better to have the appropriate mods fitted and then have it professionally remapped.
If the boost is standard at the moment, it is possible to very slightly just turn up the boost - however, it is much much better to have the appropriate mods fitted and then have it professionally remapped.
#18
thanks mate iv got a garage doing a ecu test for me next week to tel me what sort.wel tel me if its been done and what sort.iv seen sum1 on here selling a in car boost control for 2oo pounds would that be a cheap 1 or do fink it would be worth buying?? it says it took his car from 230bhp up to 360bhp.if that the truth it would take mine from from 350 to 480bhp.
it sounds to good to be true to me tho for little money. what you fink mate??
it sounds to good to be true to me tho for little money. what you fink mate??
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Legacey (sic) boy - Please stop typing in "txt-spk" - we prefer the Queen's English here, interspersed with the odd "LOL" or "LMAO"
As stated above, do not **** with your car if you don't know what you are doing. Upping the boost without adjusting the fueling and ignition is engine suicide. Get a professional on the case, I can highly recommend Enginetuner in Plymouth or APi in Leamington (both have done plenty of work on my car to a very high standard) If you want over 400bhp, a chip alone will not suffice.
Why not find the nearest reputable tuner near you, as recomended on here & get them to check he car over & make sure its running correctly. They should be able to give you an accurate current power figure & advise on mods to achieve your desired power goals.
all the best
As stated above, do not **** with your car if you don't know what you are doing. Upping the boost without adjusting the fueling and ignition is engine suicide. Get a professional on the case, I can highly recommend Enginetuner in Plymouth or APi in Leamington (both have done plenty of work on my car to a very high standard) If you want over 400bhp, a chip alone will not suffice.
Why not find the nearest reputable tuner near you, as recomended on here & get them to check he car over & make sure its running correctly. They should be able to give you an accurate current power figure & advise on mods to achieve your desired power goals.
all the best
#20
stix the car cost me 5000 to buy it,it had loads of paper work with it for the parts i statted above but just nufink about the ecu being uprated.the garage i got it from took it in partex for sumfink and they didnt no any fink about the car just what the paper work says.it has a rolling road print out for the car witch *** out at 351bhp at the wheels.so i can only go by what iv got from garage.iv only had car for 3 days it runs like a dream i just dont wana blow it up if the last person has had the boost turned right up.
iv got a tuning garage looking at it next week to check ecu for me.
iv got a tuning garage looking at it next week to check ecu for me.
#21
Don't believe the hype.
Lift the carpet in the front passenger footwell and remove the cover plate, the ECU will be staring you in the face. Take a picture and post it on here.
If() you do have a mappable ECU you 'do not' want to be messing around with the map by adding on silly boost controllers, it will as i and others have stated end in tears!!
There is no cheap safe way to do this.
350 bhp on your car is plenty for standard internals anyway!!!!!!!!
Lift the carpet in the front passenger footwell and remove the cover plate, the ECU will be staring you in the face. Take a picture and post it on here.
If() you do have a mappable ECU you 'do not' want to be messing around with the map by adding on silly boost controllers, it will as i and others have stated end in tears!!
There is no cheap safe way to do this.
350 bhp on your car is plenty for standard internals anyway!!!!!!!!
ya 350 bhp is plenty and i dont realy wana up it.
ant got a way of putting photos on here yet but iv had a look at ecu and reads as follows,,
z4
22611 ac 120
a18-000 do5
p.s.s
any clue???? adrian
#22
thanks mate iv got a garage doing a ecu test for me next week to tel me what sort.wel tel me if its been done and what sort.iv seen sum1 on here selling a in car boost control for 2oo pounds would that be a cheap 1 or do fink it would be worth buying?? it says it took his car from 230bhp up to 360bhp.if that the truth it would take mine from from 350 to 480bhp.
it sounds to good to be true to me tho for little money. what you fink mate??
it sounds to good to be true to me tho for little money. what you fink mate??
If it is truly running 350bhp then you are not going to get to the next level without spending serious money as already stated.
#25
i havent used phone txt on my messags thank you.
the car i have got sumone has took alot of time todo the work by the looks of it so why is every one knocking it.
as for that boost gauge thats for sale take it up with the bloke selling it not me.i can only go by what he has put down.
i didnt belive it could work that why i asket on here!!!!
the car i have got sumone has took alot of time todo the work by the looks of it so why is every one knocking it.
as for that boost gauge thats for sale take it up with the bloke selling it not me.i can only go by what he has put down.
i didnt belive it could work that why i asket on here!!!!
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Sorry Adrian but we get lots of people with "modified" cars and unrealistic power figures, and at 5k you paided well over the odds (my 99 version 5 STI type R cost me 5k with more mods and less than 28k on the clock, so 5 years newer )
The z4 ecu may have a daughter board fitted, its a standard ecu, 240ps (237bhp) so I would hazzard a guess your running 280 to 300bhp max with a daughterboard fitted, if not, maybe anywhere upto 280bhp, but you need to take the car and run her on a 4 wheel drive rolling road to see if your having any issues you can't see (fuelling etc), and mentioning fuel, what are you running your car on?
Power wise, your brakes suck, I wouldn't run them on a 65bhp ford ka let alone a 240ps subaru, you need to look at the supporting mods before going for more power!
(And 350 is top end on your engine before it needs rebuilding, 2.5 to 3k for that, and your clutch and gearbox will struggle also at that power, ppg is 4k or 2.5k for a 6 speed) gets exspensive eh!
Tony
The z4 ecu may have a daughter board fitted, its a standard ecu, 240ps (237bhp) so I would hazzard a guess your running 280 to 300bhp max with a daughterboard fitted, if not, maybe anywhere upto 280bhp, but you need to take the car and run her on a 4 wheel drive rolling road to see if your having any issues you can't see (fuelling etc), and mentioning fuel, what are you running your car on?
Power wise, your brakes suck, I wouldn't run them on a 65bhp ford ka let alone a 240ps subaru, you need to look at the supporting mods before going for more power!
(And 350 is top end on your engine before it needs rebuilding, 2.5 to 3k for that, and your clutch and gearbox will struggle also at that power, ppg is 4k or 2.5k for a 6 speed) gets exspensive eh!
Tony
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no it can't be done at home. to get big horsepower reliably you need it done right. you got to be prepared to put your hands in your very deep pockets and shell out a small fortune. a number of people on this thread have told you this.these people know how much it really costs to build a big bhp car with all the supporting modifications and make it reliable. any fool can bolt on bits, but getting it to all work together takes years of skill and knowhow. anyways, i will let you get on but as you have been told if you continue on this path wanting big gains for small outlay you will be sickend in the end and your £5k will be wasted. if you have £5k to **** down the sink fair play to ya, but but not everyone has £50-£60K lying around to build a monster. Yes you read right, to do things reliably that's the cost. most of the guys on here are like you and me. we don't own big tuning companies that can throw £100K at a car. we do it in stages. this will be my 3rd or maybe even 4th major engine modification in 8 years. save your pennies and do a bit at a time, take it to a few meets, go to Ten of the Best and Scooby Shootout, go to santa pod and take it up the track, try and better your quarter mile times, your 60ft times, your terminal speeds, if that is your thing. i will tell you one thing, you will enjoy your subaru experience far more this way, than simply racing your mates down the high street/dual carriage way for bragging rights.
#29
z4 ecu is 260 ps (258ish bhp) standard. if it has a chip fitted then it COULD indeed be mapped into the figures you are quoting. with the mods you have described i would have thought its running more like 300 (with the right map). rolling road figures can be a more than a bit generous sometimes.
if you want you can remove the ecu (4 x multiplugs) and then take the lid off and look inside for an extra board with a chip fitted in the bottom right about the size of a credit card. that will tell you if its mapped.
if you want you can remove the ecu (4 x multiplugs) and then take the lid off and look inside for an extra board with a chip fitted in the bottom right about the size of a credit card. that will tell you if its mapped.
#30
Sorry Adrian but we get lots of people with "modified" cars and unrealistic power figures, and at 5k you paided well over the odds (my 99 version 5 STI type R cost me 5k with more mods and less than 28k on the clock, so 5 years newer )
The z4 ecu may have a daughter board fitted, its a standard ecu, 240ps (237bhp) so I would hazzard a guess your running 280 to 300bhp max with a daughterboard fitted, if not, maybe anywhere upto 280bhp, but you need to take the car and run her on a 4 wheel drive rolling road to see if your having any issues you can't see (fuelling etc), and mentioning fuel, what are you running your car on?
Power wise, your brakes suck, I wouldn't run them on a 65bhp ford ka let alone a 240ps subaru, you need to look at the supporting mods before going for more power!
(And 350 is top end on your engine before it needs rebuilding, 2.5 to 3k for that, and your clutch and gearbox will struggle also at that power, ppg is 4k or 2.5k for a 6 speed) gets exspensive eh!
Tony
The z4 ecu may have a daughter board fitted, its a standard ecu, 240ps (237bhp) so I would hazzard a guess your running 280 to 300bhp max with a daughterboard fitted, if not, maybe anywhere upto 280bhp, but you need to take the car and run her on a 4 wheel drive rolling road to see if your having any issues you can't see (fuelling etc), and mentioning fuel, what are you running your car on?
Power wise, your brakes suck, I wouldn't run them on a 65bhp ford ka let alone a 240ps subaru, you need to look at the supporting mods before going for more power!
(And 350 is top end on your engine before it needs rebuilding, 2.5 to 3k for that, and your clutch and gearbox will struggle also at that power, ppg is 4k or 2.5k for a 6 speed) gets exspensive eh!
Tony