Those using aftermarket HIDs, please read.
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Those using aftermarket HIDs, please read.
There has long been debate about the legality, or otherwise, of HID aftermarket kits. The debate has raged, often with frayed tempers, on this site.
Today, as posted elsewhere, I got pulled for a full vehicle check by VOSA/Humberside Police.
Amongst other things, the officer questioned waht bulbs I had in my headlights as they looked brighter than normal. They are Philips Vision plus, the 90% uprated ones.
He mentioned that they, (the olice and VOSA), are now on the lookout for aftermarket HID kits fitted to vehicles and that anyone found with such a kit will be asked to remove it, or face prosecution.
Personally, I wouldn't want to be the first person to test the DfT stance that they are illegal.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
Today, as posted elsewhere, I got pulled for a full vehicle check by VOSA/Humberside Police.
Amongst other things, the officer questioned waht bulbs I had in my headlights as they looked brighter than normal. They are Philips Vision plus, the 90% uprated ones.
He mentioned that they, (the olice and VOSA), are now on the lookout for aftermarket HID kits fitted to vehicles and that anyone found with such a kit will be asked to remove it, or face prosecution.
Personally, I wouldn't want to be the first person to test the DfT stance that they are illegal.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
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For me, I feel torn, because on the one hand I've been vindicated, I warned two years ago that this might happen, and now it appears that it is going to.
On the other hand, I'm disappointed, as, for me, the only aftermarket HID sets that cause problems are the H4 ones. The others, the single filament ones, are all pretty good.
On the other hand, I'm disappointed, as, for me, the only aftermarket HID sets that cause problems are the H4 ones. The others, the single filament ones, are all pretty good.
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Hi guys have look at this http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...47:0072:EN:PDF
Its new commission directive for every country of EU.
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Its new commission directive for every country of EU.
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Hi guys have look at this http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...47:0072:EN:PDF
Its new commission directive for every country of EU.
Jura
Its new commission directive for every country of EU.
Jura
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No-one knows the answer to these questions.
The idea of my post is simply a further "heads up" as to the state of play with HID aftermarket kits. DfT and the EC reckon they are not legal used in light units not made for them.
If you need to know why, nip over and read my answers to some questions in this thread:https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...s-on-hids.html
AFAIK, NO-ONE has yet been prosecuted for their use, so you should all be alright.
Please don't quote me in court, however, should it come to that
The idea of my post is simply a further "heads up" as to the state of play with HID aftermarket kits. DfT and the EC reckon they are not legal used in light units not made for them.
If you need to know why, nip over and read my answers to some questions in this thread:https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...s-on-hids.html
AFAIK, NO-ONE has yet been prosecuted for their use, so you should all be alright.
Please don't quote me in court, however, should it come to that
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Alcazar, Does this just apply to HIDs fitted to lights designed for normal bulbs? What about HIDs in Projector lights that have been retrofitted as per other threads on this BB?
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As far as I can understand, the fitting of aftermarket HID's into lights designed for halogen WILL become illegal, if it is not already. As I've said elsewhere, it's untested at the moment.
As regards HID projectors, retrofitted, that would be a grey area.
OFFICIALY they should still have headlamp wash and self-levelling, plus they should be e-marked.
The projectors, IF SOURCED IN THE EC would be e-marked, but the light unit they had been retro-fitted into WOULD NOT BE.
You see the problem?
Also, projectors sourced from the USA, even if for a RHD car may, or may not, be e-marked. A total minefield.
As regards HID projectors, retrofitted, that would be a grey area.
OFFICIALY they should still have headlamp wash and self-levelling, plus they should be e-marked.
The projectors, IF SOURCED IN THE EC would be e-marked, but the light unit they had been retro-fitted into WOULD NOT BE.
You see the problem?
Also, projectors sourced from the USA, even if for a RHD car may, or may not, be e-marked. A total minefield.
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I dunno how they are going to do this though... Honda Civic, factory fitted HID's, Renault Leguna's with factory fitted HID's (no projector lenses in them either)
As of now, the law states nothing more powerfull then 35watts, my HID's produce less then 35watts, no where in the rule book does it go on Lumens
As of now, the law states nothing more powerfull then 35watts, my HID's produce less then 35watts, no where in the rule book does it go on Lumens
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anyone found with such a kit will be asked to remove it, or face prosecution
Pity they don't prosectute/give points to all the cars with blown headlight/brake light bulbs.
And what about all the cars with dull headlamps due to worn out bulbs, corroded connections and fogged+degraded lense/reflectors? I'm pretty sure there are plenty of cars that pass MOT with lighting being far from adequate
PS. I've got a die stamp kit...do you want to borrow my "E"
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Police up my way are trying to justify their jobs at present, got pulled twice yesterday never been pulled for 10 years prior to it
Hid lights should have auto level'ers and washers, i have a set fitted to my classic and wont be taken them off for anybody, too may HID scaremongers going about
Hid lights should have auto level'ers and washers, i have a set fitted to my classic and wont be taken them off for anybody, too may HID scaremongers going about
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4.1.4. Compliance with requirements ( a ).
Visual inspection and by operation.
(a) Lamp, emitted colour, position or intensity not in accordance with the requirements ( a ). (b) Products on lens or light source which obviously reduce light intensity or change emitted colour. (c) Light source and lamp not compatible.
The same as a you will not pass a road side emissions test if your car requires cats, then you decat after MOT. VOSA will/could issue a PG9 and the bib can also use s.59 Police Reform Act 2002, on the grounds of "DISTRESS OR ANNOYANCE" or possibaly s.165 for effectively, having no/invalid MOT.
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That's just it Jimbob, you will not pass the MOT with them fitted, as in (c) in the new regs below.
4.1.4. Compliance with requirements ( a ).
Visual inspection and by operation.
(a) Lamp, emitted colour, position or intensity not in accordance with the requirements ( a ). (b) Products on lens or light source which obviously reduce light intensity or change emitted colour. (c) Light source and lamp not compatible.
The same as a you will not pass a road side emissions test if your car requires cats, then you decat after MOT. VOSA will/could issue a PG9 and the bib can also use s.59 Police Reform Act 2002, on the grounds of "DISTRESS OR ANNOYANCE" or possibaly s.165 for effectively, having no/invalid MOT.
4.1.4. Compliance with requirements ( a ).
Visual inspection and by operation.
(a) Lamp, emitted colour, position or intensity not in accordance with the requirements ( a ). (b) Products on lens or light source which obviously reduce light intensity or change emitted colour. (c) Light source and lamp not compatible.
The same as a you will not pass a road side emissions test if your car requires cats, then you decat after MOT. VOSA will/could issue a PG9 and the bib can also use s.59 Police Reform Act 2002, on the grounds of "DISTRESS OR ANNOYANCE" or possibaly s.165 for effectively, having no/invalid MOT.
BAT: those regs aren't in place yet.
Knowing how fast VOSA are, it'll be quite some time before these regs are put in place because of the red tape involved (they need to train/advise all the testers of the new proceedures, literature, training vids, bringing test station inspectors up to speed etc).
Trust me, we run an MOT station. I'd know if they did
Police laying down the "law" before its even implemented is typical; they did that with me with the insurance registration database, they used it to pull me over even though the system wasn't "officially" in operation. It sometimes appears like they are playing with a new toy.
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