billythekid

Has anyone wired up thier fogs/DLs to come on with main beam?

If so anything I need to know is there a wiring kit out there? (Other than its agianst construction and use regs but I know that )

Ta

BTK

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

It's against construction and use regs..:.......£30 fine if your'e stopped.
Also a waste of time as the fogs only illuminate about 15 feet in front of the car:...........save up for some driving lights instead.

But if you're STILL intent on doing it, all you need is a fused relay, (4 or 5 terminal on/off type), available from Halfrauds, some spade terminals, a couple of Scotchloks, and some wire, two differnet thicknesses if you want to run higher wattage lamps in them as well.

Post again if you want instructions.

Alcazar

billythekid

Yep post the instuctions if you can or PM them.

Ta

BTK

MTR

Billy the kid,
Look here,
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=32894

Alcazar, it is not illegal to run auxillary full beam lights whith an unshielded bulb. That is all the fog light is, but it is wired to be used on its own.
It's when you use them on there own, or with dip beam you are in contravention of the road traffic act.

Cheers
MTR

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

OK, you learn something every day:

Alcazar

MTR

Should have said its illegal to use them unless visibility is seriously reduced, ie less tahn 100metres.
Obviously its not ilegal to use them at any time.

Cheers
MTR

MTR

The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1988, are shown here
regarding full beam headlights and optional full beam headlights.

http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uks...n_10.htm#nsch5

SCHEDULE 5
(Regulations 18 and 20)
PART I

REQUIREMENTS RELATING TO OBLIGATORY MAIN-BEAM HEADLAMPS AND TO OPTIONAL MAIN-BEAM HEADLAMPS TO THE EXTENT SPECIFIED IN PART II

'This note is at the bottom of the page.'

REQUIREMENTS RELATING TO OPTIONAL MAIN-BEAM HEADLAMPS
Any number may be fitted and the only requirements prescribed by these Regulations in respect of any which are fitted are those specified in paragraphs 7, 10 and 12(a) of Part I and, in the case of a motor vehicle first used on or after 1st April 1991, paragraph 5 of Part I.

5. Markings-
(a) Any vehicle not covered by sub-paragaph (b), (c) or (d):

An approval mark or a British Standard mark

(b) A motor vehicle first used before 1st April 1986:
No requirement

(c) A three-wheeled motor vehicle, not being a motor bicycle combination, first used on or after 1st April 1986 and having a maximum speed not exceeding 50 mph:
No requirement

(d) A solo motor bicycle and a motor bicycle combination:
No requirement

7. Colour:
White or yellow

10. Electrical connections-

(a) Every main-beam headlamp shall be so constructed that the light emitted therefrom-


(i) can be deflected at the will of the driver to become a dipped beam, or


(ii) can be extinguished by the operation of a device which at the same time either-


(A) causes the lamp to emit a dipped beam, or


(B) causes another lamp to emit a dipped beam.

(b) Where a matched pair of main-beam headlamps is fitted they shall be capable of being switched on and off simultaneously and not otherwise.

12. Other requirements-

(a) Every main-beam headlamp shall be so constructed that the direction of the beam of light emitted therefrom can be adjusted whilst the vehicle is stationary.

(b) Except in the case of a bus first used before 1st October 1969, where two main-beam headlamps are required to be fitted they shall form a matched pair.


Cheers
MTR

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

<<5. Markings-
(a) Any vehicle not covered by sub-paragaph (b), (c) or (d):

An approval mark or a British Standard mark >>>


So, from the above, a nit picking MoT inspector, or the Dibble, could actually see that your new driving lights were, in fact, fogs, and do you accordingly?

I've done some checking on what I have here:

OE Scoob fogs: E13 02B 0402
Cibie main/dip: E2 HCR96 125
Cibie main only: E6 HR8001
Hella HID driving: E1 375

So the "E" number seems to identify what type of light?

Or have I misinterpreted?

Alcazar

MTR

Alcazar,
according toi this MOT information site, they are not obliged to chek the 'E' mark.

http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_120.htm

As far as I am aware as long as the lamp carries an approval mark ie 'E' or a British Standards Kite mark then that is all that is required.

The number after the 'E' denotes the country of origin only.
It does not in any way denote the type of light unit.

E1 Germany
E6 Belguim
E11 UK

I have just spoken with the technical department of a major international lighting manufacturer, and the chap there confirmed it is purely the use th elight is put to which in the eyes of the law dictate its legality.
So if you wire up a fog light to work on main beam, then it is no longer a fog light.
Conversely if you wire up the driving lihghts on say an XR2i to come on without full beam being illuminated, they would be acting as fog lights.
It is there use, not construction that is the main point of concern.

Cheers MTR

gussy

iTrader: (2)

Alcasar,
Im to after the wiring diagram for using spots instead of the oe foglights, but useing the foglight switch to arm them so I can have them switched on or off on main beam there was a good site called scoobymods.com which had the wiring diagram for a 02 wrx but when I went on today they have shut the site and done a runner can you help me out or know somebody who has a copy of the wireing mod cos its slightly different to the classic wireing.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Sorry, I can't help too much as the wiring is switched earth, and without actually trying it out for myself, I'd be doing you a disservice.

Someone will have done it though.

Alcazar

MTR

Alcazar,
Here is a list of 'E' mark codes, showing the country where approval of the particular product, tyre, light, mudflap, kettle, washing machine etc etc was granted.

eg, E13 is Luxembourg

Country Codes
1,Germany
2,France
3,Italy
4,Netherlands
5,Sweden
6,Belgium
7,Hungary
8,Czech Republic
9,Spain
10,Yugoslavia
11,UK
12,Austria
13,Luxembourg
14,Switzerland
15,(Vacant)
16,Norway
17,Finland
18,Denmark
19,Romania
20,Poland
21,Portugal
22,Russian Federation
23,Greece
24,(Vacant)
25,Croatia
26,Slovenia
27,Slovakia
28,Belarus
29,Estonia
30,(Vacant)
31,(Vacant)
32,(Vacant)
33,(Vacant)
34,Bulgaria
35,(Vacant)
36,(Vacant)
37,Turkey

Cheers
MTR

gussy

iTrader: (2)

Alcazar,
Luck for me a mate has managed to print me out the wiring diagram from the scoobymods site before they were closed down today you switch the earth at the oe yellow blue wire at the foglight switch, its a very comprehensive diagram and description for the bugeye I will try it out this weekend.

wrxtankie

Is it possible to remove the sheild in th OE fogs, I doubt it but i thought id ask.
Would be worth doing and the putting in some higher wattage bulbs, If possible, At least untill i can afford a decent set up.

Cheers Aston.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Hmmmmmmmm! Firstly, the lights are VERY difficult to get apart, and it doesn't look like the shield can be removed from the back, but I stand to be corrected, (MTR, your cue.......: )

Secondly, you MAY not achieve the desired effect. The lens on fogs, (or the reflector on later ones) has a great deal to do with the shape of the beam. If you remove the shild, you may end up with a beam that scatters light all over the place.

Alcazar

gussy

iTrader: (2)

Alcazar,
I had a look at the wireing diagram from scoobymods seems ok until you hit the oe foglight switch the wires are a different colour to the ones on the diagram on my car. The diagram shows a red/green . black/white .yellow/light blue .violet . orange/white. When I had a look at my switch the wires are coloured as follows 2 black 2 violet and 1 yellow/white can you shed any light on the matter I must add that the wireing diagram came from an American site??