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13 March 2009, 03:36 PM
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Don't do it!!!! 
13 March 2009, 03:44 PM
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surely the alignment must have been out then?
its only replacement bulbs after all and a box of electronic ?
yantatriangles.....did search mainly saw group buy threads...confused now
its only replacement bulbs after all and a box of electronic ?
yantatriangles.....did search mainly saw group buy threads...confused now
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13 March 2009, 04:30 PM
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Dude i have had HID kits on every car i have owned now.
Bought them for £50 ish off ebay and never had problems with dazzling people.
Always passed MOTs fine - Nver been pulled or full beamed as i manged to allign them
I can point you in the direction of where i got mine (hong kong)
Also i noticed the search on this site doesnt work very well an wont give you the results you need. As i have done a couple today which returned nout
Bought them for £50 ish off ebay and never had problems with dazzling people.
Always passed MOTs fine - Nver been pulled or full beamed as i manged to allign them
I can point you in the direction of where i got mine (hong kong)
Also i noticed the search on this site doesnt work very well an wont give you the results you need. As i have done a couple today which returned nout
14 March 2009, 12:49 AM
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Three on mine, and people wonder why they can't keep up with me.... it's because I can see where I'm going, even in the dark.
The H4 kits needed on a classic aren't as good as the New-Age set-up.
HTH
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The H4 kits needed on a classic aren't as good as the New-Age set-up.
HTH
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14 March 2009, 12:02 PM
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OK, at risk of upsetting certain people on here, here goes:
Cars using an H4 bulb, (classics and bugeye with standard lights), already have AWFUL lights, especially the classic. The reflectors/lenses are VERY poorly designed so that light is scattered every which way.........THIS is why we get loads of people asking about uprated bulbs, HID's etc.
Now, an H4 bulb has TWO filaments, one for main beam, positioned EXACTLY at the focal point of the light's reflector, and one for dip, positioned slightly OFF the focus, BUT EXACTLY on the focus for producing a good dip beam with a sharp cutoff. That's the theory, but, as you can see, it depends strongly on a well-designed light as well as a well designed bulb
With me so far? The above explains why I ALWAYS recommend people who ask about uprated bulbs to be careful, as there are good and bad bulbs out there.......a small discrepancy in manufacture can lead to a bulb being optically poorly aligned, so that despite being more powerful, MORE light is now scattered..........which leads to disappointment and dazzle to other drivers.
OK, now we come onto HID's.
The design of an HID lamp is such that it CANNOT yet be produced with TWO discharges, (sparks, lights call them what you will), sufficiently close together to allow TOTALLY accurate placing of the light at the focii of the headlight
SOME get around this by glueing a Halogen filament in it's glass case to the HID lamp...........a poor attempt and NOT to be used. IMHO
OTHERS do it by physically moving the HID lamp, or physically moving a shroud placed AROUND the HID lamp.
Neither method is perfect, all you get is either good dip, poor main beam, or vice versa, although some just go for mediocre both
They get away with it because HID's are SO much brighter than Halogen that even a poorly performing one will outperform MOST halogen setups. (A decent HID gives the same light output as a 300W halogen
)
There are folk out there who swear by 'em..some of whom also SELL 'em
There are others who have put them on, and then removed them because they were so disappointed. YOU make up your own mind.
Ther is a THIRD group who have kept legal by using better HEADLIGHTS, (Morettes), with UPRATED, (not higher wattage), bulbs and HID DRIVING LIGHTS
DO bear in mind that, like higher wattage halogens, ALL aftermarket HID's are ILLEGAL to use on public roads in the UK. Doesn't stop LOTS of people, but....................
As for SINGLE filament kits......well, apart from the comment about legality, they are OK. You pays your money............
Cars using an H4 bulb, (classics and bugeye with standard lights), already have AWFUL lights, especially the classic. The reflectors/lenses are VERY poorly designed so that light is scattered every which way.........THIS is why we get loads of people asking about uprated bulbs, HID's etc.
Now, an H4 bulb has TWO filaments, one for main beam, positioned EXACTLY at the focal point of the light's reflector, and one for dip, positioned slightly OFF the focus, BUT EXACTLY on the focus for producing a good dip beam with a sharp cutoff. That's the theory, but, as you can see, it depends strongly on a well-designed light as well as a well designed bulb
With me so far? The above explains why I ALWAYS recommend people who ask about uprated bulbs to be careful, as there are good and bad bulbs out there.......a small discrepancy in manufacture can lead to a bulb being optically poorly aligned, so that despite being more powerful, MORE light is now scattered..........which leads to disappointment and dazzle to other drivers.
OK, now we come onto HID's.
The design of an HID lamp is such that it CANNOT yet be produced with TWO discharges, (sparks, lights call them what you will), sufficiently close together to allow TOTALLY accurate placing of the light at the focii of the headlight
SOME get around this by glueing a Halogen filament in it's glass case to the HID lamp...........a poor attempt and NOT to be used. IMHO
OTHERS do it by physically moving the HID lamp, or physically moving a shroud placed AROUND the HID lamp.
Neither method is perfect, all you get is either good dip, poor main beam, or vice versa, although some just go for mediocre both
They get away with it because HID's are SO much brighter than Halogen that even a poorly performing one will outperform MOST halogen setups. (A decent HID gives the same light output as a 300W halogen
)There are folk out there who swear by 'em..some of whom also SELL 'em
There are others who have put them on, and then removed them because they were so disappointed. YOU make up your own mind.
Ther is a THIRD group who have kept legal by using better HEADLIGHTS, (Morettes), with UPRATED, (not higher wattage), bulbs and HID DRIVING LIGHTS
DO bear in mind that, like higher wattage halogens, ALL aftermarket HID's are ILLEGAL to use on public roads in the UK. Doesn't stop LOTS of people, but....................
As for SINGLE filament kits......well, apart from the comment about legality, they are OK. You pays your money............
14 March 2009, 04:46 PM
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To cut to the chase - fit one of our HID kits and you WILL be delighted. No two ways about it. 
I have a MY99 Classic and I've been there and tried various options. A decent HID kit is far better than any halogen equiv.
No problems with any dazzling drivers etc - I assure you 100%.
We've not had a single customer go back to halogens and we sell a fair few classic kits
If you want to mess around with changing your headlamp units for completely different ones (morrettes), that is also an option - I haven't felt the need to though. Again, HIDs would be best on those also.
Customer feedback speaks volumes: https://www.scoobynet.com/group-buys...uy-2009-a.html
I have a MY99 Classic and I've been there and tried various options. A decent HID kit is far better than any halogen equiv.
No problems with any dazzling drivers etc - I assure you 100%.
We've not had a single customer go back to halogens and we sell a fair few classic kits
If you want to mess around with changing your headlamp units for completely different ones (morrettes), that is also an option - I haven't felt the need to though. Again, HIDs would be best on those also.
Customer feedback speaks volumes: https://www.scoobynet.com/group-buys...uy-2009-a.html
14 March 2009, 05:00 PM
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"There are others who have put them on, and then removed them because they were so disappointed. YOU make up your own mind."
Im one of these people, I fitted a ULTRA H4-4 Bi-Xenon HID from Hid-Direct. Dip was ok and full beam was utter pish, it light up more the side of the road instead of in front. So I had to put my cibies spotlights back in as the lights on full beam were that bad.
Yea the cool factor is there, nice bright white lights but if I had the money again I would go down the Morettes way.
Im one of these people, I fitted a ULTRA H4-4 Bi-Xenon HID from Hid-Direct. Dip was ok and full beam was utter pish, it light up more the side of the road instead of in front. So I had to put my cibies spotlights back in as the lights on full beam were that bad.
Yea the cool factor is there, nice bright white lights but if I had the money again I would go down the Morettes way.
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14 March 2009, 06:51 PM
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i dont get upset or offended easy, so dont worry 
anyway, i have a 99 classic (face lift model with the stock crystal headlights) and i have always found the lights to be bright and with a decent coverage.
the only reason i went for (and fitted today btw) HID is because i wanted to keep my stock headlights but give them fresher cleaner look.
the hid's i brought seem to have a duel filament one for main and one for dipped beam.
my mate has a garage and this is where i fitted them and on his beam chart they are exactly the same beam height as the standard halogens on both main and dipped beam.
i went for the 5000k brightness as this gives a pure white almost daylight looking beam any brighter than 5000k and it starts going blue which imo looks cheap
each to there own i guess
so tanyatriangles
only joking mate
anyway, i have a 99 classic (face lift model with the stock crystal headlights) and i have always found the lights to be bright and with a decent coverage.
the only reason i went for (and fitted today btw) HID is because i wanted to keep my stock headlights but give them fresher cleaner look.
the hid's i brought seem to have a duel filament one for main and one for dipped beam.
my mate has a garage and this is where i fitted them and on his beam chart they are exactly the same beam height as the standard halogens on both main and dipped beam.
i went for the 5000k brightness as this gives a pure white almost daylight looking beam any brighter than 5000k and it starts going blue which imo looks cheap
each to there own i guess
so tanyatriangles
only joking mate
14 March 2009, 09:15 PM
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Wasn't talking about you mate
Nope. Either you looked wrong, or have been misinformed. Dual discharge HID's just don't exist
No-one said they wouldn't, but the beam chart DOESN'T show scatter
If you wanted max LIGHT output, 4300K is the way to go
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14 March 2009, 09:19 PM
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yo bob5...
mark up another one of your hid sets sailing thru the mot with no probs.....done friday and passed with no issuses on the car total cost £35 for the mot....hell never had it so cheap.......
mark up another one of your hid sets sailing thru the mot with no probs.
....done friday and passed with no issuses on the car total cost £35 for the mot....hell never had it so cheap.......
15 March 2009, 10:43 AM
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As above: the headlight bulb moves, or a shield does.
But beware: in OE systems, the reflector will be DESIGNED to produce the correct dip/main patterns.............unlike Scoob, (and most other) lights, which are DESIGNED for a halogen bulb. There's BIG difference.
As stated, HID aftermarket kits will pass an MoT...........because they have positioned the bulb so as to produce good dip cutoff, (that's what the MoT measures). Therefore they CANNOT produce the mainbeam they SHOULD.
Anyone who tells you otherwise is being fooled by the extra light available, and would be shcoked to see a PROPER HID mainbeam
But beware: in OE systems, the reflector will be DESIGNED to produce the correct dip/main patterns.............unlike Scoob, (and most other) lights, which are DESIGNED for a halogen bulb. There's BIG difference.
As stated, HID aftermarket kits will pass an MoT...........because they have positioned the bulb so as to produce good dip cutoff, (that's what the MoT measures
). Therefore they CANNOT produce the mainbeam they SHOULD.Anyone who tells you otherwise is being fooled by the extra light available, and would be shcoked to see a PROPER HID mainbeam
18 March 2009, 09:14 PM
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do what i did, buy some hid projector units & fit them into the scooby headlight.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...inished001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...inished003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...inished002.jpg
then get your hid kit from BOB5
no problems with scatter as the projector bowl is designed for hids. just a pain in he rear getting the horizontal & vertical alignments correct.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...inished001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...inished003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...inished002.jpg
then get your hid kit from BOB5
no problems with scatter as the projector bowl is designed for hids. just a pain in he rear getting the horizontal & vertical alignments correct.
19 March 2009, 12:22 AM
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. I've been running mine since Christmas. Will post some photos tomorrow if my new radiator arrives and I get the car back together.
19 March 2009, 02:02 AM
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Make that 5. Had a hid kit in mine then went retro far better now with perfect cut-off and no scatter. In my experiance i would not recommend a hid kit in a classic
19 March 2009, 06:21 AM
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Recon we should have our own Retrofitted Headlights thread guys, for all to see
Any more???
Retrofit is the only way
(may be able to supply projectors, ballast, oem loom etc.. if anyone's interested +comprehensive how to)
Any more???
Retrofit is the only way
(may be able to supply projectors, ballast, oem loom etc.. if anyone's interested
+comprehensive how to)
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19 March 2009, 02:41 PM
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You'd need to change the Hella/Cibie lens to a clear type before anything else (5 3/4 clear lenses are not that easy to source) Then you'd probably need to trim the chassis to get the projector in & finally I'm not sure if the mounting/adjustment ring will take the extra weight, so you might need to uprate the springs to stop your beam bouncing all over the place
This assumes you've already sourced your projectors
This assumes you've already sourced your projectors
19 March 2009, 05:26 PM
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Have tried one off the shelf projector solution so far, but it didn't quite work out. Good output but a bit of a shadow effect right in front of the car.
Now have another set on their way to us to actually fit into the OE headlamps (Bi-Xenon). Will test and see how they go.
Still won't be for the masses due to the work involved to fit.
Now have another set on their way to us to actually fit into the OE headlamps (Bi-Xenon). Will test and see how they go.
Still won't be for the masses due to the work involved to fit.
