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Old 24 June 2014, 01:11 PM
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well i see miss brooks has managed to hire a good barrister
Old 24 June 2014, 01:17 PM
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If we don't buy the papers, they don't earn the money...
Old 24 June 2014, 01:23 PM
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unfortunately being a news agents we buy lots of them but i do agree wholeheartedly
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Given the length of the trial, obviously there wasn't any evidence to convict Rebecca Brooks her husband and the others linked to her charges.

Mr Coulson. , there was sufficient evidence to convict.

Simple really
Old 24 June 2014, 03:09 PM
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like i said a very good and expensive barrister
Old 24 June 2014, 03:22 PM
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Hmmn... Wonder how much the verdict had to do with her close friendship of the PM.

Cynical? Moi?
Old 24 June 2014, 04:06 PM
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He he he.
Old 24 June 2014, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by shooter007
like i said a very good and expensive barrister
You get what you pay for at the end of the day.
Old 24 June 2014, 04:26 PM
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She obviously knows too much.
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Originally Posted by neil-h

You get what you pay for at the end of the day.
Which means the well-healed amongst us has access to 'more justice'.

...So much for: "all citizens equal before the the law".
Old 24 June 2014, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by joz8968
Which means the well-healed amongst us has access to 'more justice'.

...So much for: "all citizens equal before the the law".
It is what it is. We live in a basically capitalist society, so those with more money are always going to be able to swing things in their favour.
Old 24 June 2014, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by joz8968
Hmmn... Wonder how much the verdict had to do with her close friendship of the PM?
Yes, one can only wonder.
Old 24 June 2014, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h

It is what it is. We live in a basically capitalist society, so those with more money are always going to be able to swing things in their favour.
Of course, I get that.

Just that it's not (necessarily) true justice. But as you elude to, it's about as 'fair' as is possible.

Of course, it didn't help that the legal aid pot was lessened.
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Originally Posted by joz8968
Which means the well-healed amongst us has access to 'more justice'.

...So much for: "all citizens equal before the the law".
It doesn't help that they have made cuts to legal aid in recent years.
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Originally Posted by joz8968
Of course, I get that.

Just that it's not (necessarily) true justice. But as you elude to, it's about as 'fair' as is possible.

Of course, it didn't help that the legal aid pot was lessened.
Ha you got there first.
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Originally Posted by f1_fan

Yes, one can only wonder.
Never forget though, we're all in this (big society) together.

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I am all for conspiracy theories but what you lot are suggesting that a UK jury trial is corrupt! I agree that a top QC barrister will be invaluable in pitching the pertinent facts about the case. There has been massive hype and mis information about this case, but the judgement is what it is. The prosecution didn't have enough credible evidence to convince the jury re Brooke and her Co workers/husband

Mr Coulson well they did have enough to convince the jury.
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Originally Posted by andy97
I am all for conspiracy theories but what you lot are suggesting that a UK jury trial is corrupt! I agree that a top QC barrister will be invaluable in pitching the pertinent facts about the case. There has been massive hype and mis information about this case, but the judgement is what it is. The prosecution didn't have enough credible evidence to convince the jury re Brooke and her Co workers/husband

Mr Coulson well they did have enough to convince the jury.


How dare you say anything sensible in a thread frequented by the conspiracy theory crack pots and wannabee part time socialists.

Of course the PM personally threatened the jury with a bloody good beating from the SAS if they returned a guilty verdict.

And I'm shocked to find out that somebody with lots of money can buy a better house/car/barrister/doctor/architect/education
Perhaps I'm just really naive but I didn't think that was allowed
Old 24 June 2014, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by andy97
I am all for conspiracy theories but what you lot are suggesting that a UK jury trial is corrupt! I agree that a top QC barrister will be invaluable in pitching the pertinent facts about the case. There has been massive hype and mis information about this case, but the judgement is what it is. The prosecution didn't have enough credible evidence to convince the jury re Brooke and her Co workers/husband

Mr Coulson well they did have enough to convince the jury.
Its not just about the jury, but also throwing out evidence that could sway them before the jury even gets to see or here it, then discredit anything remaining with careful wording and interpretation.

I very much doubt there was any need for corruption was required by friends in high places; If there was any evidence, it would have been destroyed before the police even came calling.

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Originally Posted by ALi-B
Its not just about the jury, but also throwing out evidence that could sway them before the jury even gets to see or here it, then discredit anything remaining with careful wording and interpretation.

I very much doubt there was any need for corruption was required by friends in high places; If there was any evidence, it would have been destroyed before the police even came calling.
It's not just me that's sane then
Old 24 June 2014, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
Its not just about the jury, but also throwing out evidence that could sway them before the jury even gets to see or here it, then discredit anything remaining with careful wording and interpretation.
That's pretty much the job of a good defence lawyer.
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Coulson would have had top legal presentation as well....that isn't the differentiating factor for me.

It's likely that they didn't have the evidence as I don't think her connections would have swayed the outcome. Given the **** storm brewing over Cameron's relationship with Coulson him and others will have steered well clear.
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Originally Posted by andy97
I am all for conspiracy theories but what you lot are suggesting that a UK jury trial is corrupt! I agree that a top QC barrister will be invaluable in pitching the pertinent facts about the case. There has been massive hype and mis information about this case, but the judgement is what it is. The prosecution didn't have enough credible evidence to convince the jury re Brooke and her Co workers/husband

Mr Coulson well they did have enough to convince the jury.
Originally Posted by Dingdongler
How dare you say anything sensible in a thread frequented by the conspiracy theory crack pots and wannabee part time socialists.

Of course the PM personally threatened the jury with a bloody good beating from the SAS if they returned a guilty verdict.

And I'm shocked to find out that somebody with lots of money can buy a better house/car/barrister/doctor/architect/education
Perhaps I'm just really naive but I didn't think that was allowed
Originally Posted by CupraT
Coulson would have had top legal presentation as well....that isn't the differentiating factor for me.

It's likely that they didn't have the evidence as I don't think her connections would have swayed the outcome. Given the **** storm brewing over Cameron's relationship with Coulson him and others will have steered well clear.
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Jury must have been SUPER thick.

Innocent. Yeah right.

OJ would be proud of them.

dl
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Makes you proud to be British again....oh....wait......

The Dreyfus affair should have been the first and only time this sort of crap happened. We learned nothing from that.

Sadly, it's now rife.
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Makes you proud to be British again....oh....wait......

The Dreyfus affair should have been the first and only time this sort of crap happened. We learned nothing from that.

Sadly, it's now rife.

Actually it does sort of make me proud. She may very well have been guilty but in this country we need to prove it beyond reasonable doubt to a jury of our peers. Obviously for whatever reason the prosecution never managed to do this.

Now this may mean that some guilty people get away with things from time to time. However it also means that not many people get banged up and taking it in the gary glitter from Bubba in the showers for crimes they did not commit.

We don't live in a country where we have trial by public opinion or politicians and I'm grateful for that.

So yes, it does actually make me feel proud to be British.
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I bet you believe politicians too, do you? LOL
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Originally Posted by alcazar
I bet you believe politicians too, do you? LOL

I don't understand the relevance of your question to our discussion and therefore can't be bothered to waste my time and everybody elses by answering it.

Or are you just trying to say that compared to you I am stupid, under educated, naive, sheltered, uninformed, poorly read etc

I'll let you think about the answer to that one (LOL)
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No need to search for meaning, my friend: if you HONESTLY believe that justice in the UK is alive and well, then yes, you ARE naive.

Are there fairies at the bottom of your garden too?


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