Dingdongler

Cameron seems to be getting it from all angles for failing to effect any change with regards to Juncker's appointment.

Of course one of the reasons he took the position he did was to play to his party and try to mitigate the threat he faces from UKIP.

However was he right to take the position he did as a matter of principle? Or did he show himself to be a poor statesman?

dpb

No stopping united states of Europe now, but then there never was

joz8968

iTrader: (13)

Little by little, stealthily 'through the back door', member nations' sovereignty being dismantled by the EU. And with the appointment of this mort, you can expect it to shoved into fast forward anytime soon.

Fair play to DC (and Hungary) for identifying this and standing up for his principles... For the very future of the country, no less!

Shame on all other nations for their 'can't be bothered to fight it' procrastination... Or, indeed, their blind faith in the (failed) project!

Bah!

RA Dunk

Sooner we walk away from the EU the better.

Dingdongler

Sure, but do you think Cameron was right to take the stance he did even though it effected no immediate change?

richs2891

It was certainly an unwinnable stance, but maybe sending a message to the EU the UK will no longer slavishly follow the party line ?

Richard

RA Dunk

I think you were probably right with your opening comment regarding UKIP, his main threat is from within now.

He did it only for his own skin, nothing to do with ours.

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Cameron is in his position to represent the UK and its interests; So he had no choice but to hold the line that the UK wants more independence not less and therefore the EU should have a leader that supports that. If he had voted Junker in, he can kiss goodbye to alot more seats in the next election.

The last election clearly shows that a large number of the minority who voted (I say that due to the constant low turn outs) has led to UKIP's extremely rapid rise in becoming a mainstream party and the general anti-EU sentiment being banded about in the general public cannot be ignored any longer as has been done in the past 24 odd years. To go against electorate opinion would be political suicide.

CrisPDuk

Ed Millipede has annoyed me more with this fiasco than DC to be honest, he seems to be in complete denial regarding the recent history of his own party

Have a good look back Ed, then tell us who signed the treaties that removed the UK's powers of veto

paulr

Really, the eu budget has been reduced, cap down, and there is no supreme Court to overrule UK law

David Lock

Cameron was quite right and good luck to him. Pity that it may lead to some anti-Euro votes at the referendum as we must stay in EU - despite what the ignorant xenophobic Daily Fail readers may want.

You never know, Farage and Junkers may become best friends and one night they will be found together slumped in the corner of some seedy bar with empty *** packets and cognac bottles

dl

paulr

Why was he right?

warrenm2

The interesting thing now is whether Cameron will keep banging on about renegotiation. It is quite clear to the public now how little say the UK has, so if he keeps harping on about his plan, it could well be toxic for him.

Of course the smart move for him is to say he will bring forward the referendum as he no longer believes that the EU is listening. That would be a vote winner for him but he hasn't the ***** or political will for it IMHO.

All in all, a good day for the "better off out" people

warrenm2

Dingdongler

Yes. It will be difficult for him to bang on about a referendum based on a reformed/renegotiated Europe given what has just happened.

Martin2005

Any renegotiation talks will hinge upon how much the other EU countries want the UK to stay in.

If they do, then there will be compromise, if they don't care then obviously there will be little to negotiate with.

My sense is they do care and do want us in, therefore Cameron still has some cards to play.

paulr

Renegotiate what. All this hot air, and so little practical policies.

1. What do you want from a renegotiation
2. What is Cameron's new way
3. What is wrong with Junker

Carnut

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

We have to stay in otherwise where will all the immigrants go, Germany, Italy,France, I think his only problem is he's using the wrong tactics as leverage , just tell the ******* they can have all these dodgy ******* immigrants we have here sent to their countries and no doubt they'll sit up and listen.

The Art of War, am I the only one that gets this.

paulr

The difference is in Germany and France, they just don't employ them.

Carnut

I think we should all vote to stay in Europe, I love the idea of being part of another super power. Just think how corrupt it would be, you would never have to make a decision for your self ever again. It will be so good that they will even tell you how to raise you're own children.

I've always dreamed of what it would be like to have my rights taken away from me.

RA Dunk

Actually sounds a bit like Communist Russia TBH.

ScoobyWon't

It just means that Hungary and the UK will join the federalist state at a later date. Either that or we get out.

Martin2005

Surely this is a broader issue than just immigration?

btw Germany, France and Italy have huge immigrant populations.

What is going to happen to the 1M+ Brits living and/or working across Europe if we leave the single market and give up on their rights to freedom of movement?

RA Dunk

Nothing I would imagine, If our 1M Brits were forced to leave their country of choice then surely the God knows how many million immigrants that have moved into the UK under the EU will be kicked out as here as well, surely it will work both ways?

Martin2005

Do you think that millions of economically active people leaving our country would be a good thing?

RA Dunk

Your the one who brought it up. You tell me. The Same can be said of Brits living in the EU.

Martin2005

Obviously it would be a disaster for our economy

daviee

Bring the first million back to wash cars once the Polish and Albanian's are gone

I hate the one size fits all that "being part of EU brings" we are a island and not part of it. I am Scottish and I would rather be voting on the 18th September to pull out of EU. As for the Yes vote if it means we wont be part of EU I will be all for it, sad but true.

I think the UK has been the whipping boy of the EU, France Italy and Germany stick their fingers up at EU policy and the UK just rolls over pulls its pants down and get *** raped.

And as for the disaster to the economy, for to rid immigrants bleeding the benefits system dry I think it would be a win win .

Martin2005

Tha's a baseless fantasy argument. The overwelming majority of immigrants PAY TAX. What % of benefit go to immigrant from the EU, do you know?

If we 'got rid' of EU immigrants tomorrow, we would be faced with a terrible recession, with large parts of our service and publuc sectors left in meltdown.