Notices
Non Scooby Related Anything Non-Scooby related

Now Apple are controlling news

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 21 September 2015 | 10:35 AM
  #1  
ReallyReallyGoodMeat's Avatar
ReallyReallyGoodMeat
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,915
Likes: 1
Default Now Apple are controlling news

http://www.wired.com/2015/09/bjarke-...ade-center-wtc

Can anyone care to explain to me how this is anything but regressive for humankind?
Old 21 September 2015 | 10:41 AM
  #2  
JackClark's Avatar
JackClark
Scooby Senior
 
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 20,878
Likes: 51
From: Overdosed on LCD
Default

I fail to see a problem. Good article by the way, if you want to read it in the UK change your region to the US. Oh and own an iPad or iPhone.
Old 21 September 2015 | 10:55 AM
  #3  
ReallyReallyGoodMeat's Avatar
ReallyReallyGoodMeat
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,915
Likes: 1
Default

You fail to see a problem with news content (okay, not this one specifically which is more like a lifestyle article) on an open web platform being restricted to particular users/devices?

It wouldn't be so bad if it was only visible on Apple devices - but it's not, it's a clickable article on the wired homepage which is effectively blocked for non-iOS users.
Old 21 September 2015 | 10:57 AM
  #4  
dpb's Avatar
dpb
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 46,493
Likes: 13
From: riding the crest of a wave ...
Default

Are they making poor saps pay twice? Seems normal
Old 21 September 2015 | 11:11 AM
  #5  
JackClark's Avatar
JackClark
Scooby Senior
 
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 20,878
Likes: 51
From: Overdosed on LCD
Default

It's great for publishers, they earn 100% of the revenue from ads they sell, and 70% when iAd sells ads for you.

Look, people produce content for iOS or Android exclusively all the time, I'm sure Samsung News will be along shortly.
Old 21 September 2015 | 11:17 AM
  #6  
ReallyReallyGoodMeat's Avatar
ReallyReallyGoodMeat
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,915
Likes: 1
Default

Originally Posted by JackClark
Look, people produce content for iOS or Android exclusively all the time
Can you show me an example of this? (that is, content published openly on the web but only viewable on Android/iOS)

Originally Posted by JackClark
I'm sure Samsung News will be along shortly.
Possibly true, and would be equally terrible.

We should be standardising the web, not making lots of silos and bespoke APIs to the benefit of a handful of corporations.

Last edited by ReallyReallyGoodMeat; 21 September 2015 at 11:19 AM.
Old 21 September 2015 | 11:28 AM
  #7  
JackClark's Avatar
JackClark
Scooby Senior
 
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 20,878
Likes: 51
From: Overdosed on LCD
Default

Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
Can you show me an example of this? (that is, content published openly on the web but only viewable on Android/iOS)


Possibly true, and would be equally terrible.

We should be standardising the web, not making lots of silos and bespoke APIs to the benefit of a handful of corporations.
That article isn't published openly on the web, it's an advert, that's all. There are adverts for Android news apps that I can't use on iOS, that's one up from a single article.

If you haven't noticed the move is away from the web for news and magazines, it's a horrible place to read.
Old 21 September 2015 | 11:49 AM
  #8  
Tidgy's Avatar
Tidgy
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 23,118
Likes: 150
From: Notts
Default

I hate apple, but given this is the sort of thing that all online newspapers do when they charge people who read papers online kinda think your getting a bit upatty for the sake of it hahaha
Old 21 September 2015 | 12:01 PM
  #9  
JackClark's Avatar
JackClark
Scooby Senior
 
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 20,878
Likes: 51
From: Overdosed on LCD
Default

Hate's an ugly word. I really don't understand how you could hate something like a technology company, I dislike runner beans but I don't feel the need to talk about them all the time I just don't eat them.
Old 21 September 2015 | 12:05 PM
  #10  
ReallyReallyGoodMeat's Avatar
ReallyReallyGoodMeat
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,915
Likes: 1
Default

Originally Posted by JackClark
If you haven't noticed the move is away from the web for news and magazines, it's a horrible place to read.
I disagree - You mean it's a horrible place to monetise?

It's nothing to do with user-experience and everything to do with ads. This is not Apple-specific. However this is the first time I've seen an link to an article from the front page of a well-respected news website (that is openly published to the web) demanding you can only read it via a certain device/app.

Last edited by ReallyReallyGoodMeat; 21 September 2015 at 12:10 PM.
Old 21 September 2015 | 12:13 PM
  #11  
JackClark's Avatar
JackClark
Scooby Senior
 
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 20,878
Likes: 51
From: Overdosed on LCD
Default

Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
I disagree - You mean it's a horrible place to monetise?

It's nothing to do with user-experience and everything to do with ads. This is not Apple-specific. However this is the first time I've seen an link to an article from the front page of a well-respected news website (that is openly published to the web) demanding you can only read it via a certain device/app.
Apple News is new, they're promoting it, that's all. The web is a horrible place to monetise, install a content blocker and you'll find a much nicer place to browse.

I should add that I run a website with 1.5 million page views a year, pretty good numbers, it's sole income is Adsense, we've been planning alternative revenue streams for almost a year. Any similar or larger site is hopefully doing the same or they'll suffer.

Last edited by JackClark; 21 September 2015 at 12:17 PM.
Old 21 September 2015 | 12:21 PM
  #12  
ReallyReallyGoodMeat's Avatar
ReallyReallyGoodMeat
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,915
Likes: 1
Default

Originally Posted by JackClark
I should add that I run a website with 1.5 million page views a year, pretty good numbers, it's sole income is Adsense, we've been planning alternative revenue streams for almost a year. Any similar or larger site is hopefully doing the same or they'll suffer.
Which is fine, sites need to find a way to operate and that is fine. You no doubt know more about this than me but I know there are several ways of doing this.

But doing what Wired/Apple are doing here is creating a two-tier version of their own website, and creating yet another Apple walled-garden. Time will tell but IMO all it will do is drive people away from Wired.com - I don't envisage many people will buy an iOS device just to read that architecture story on Wired.
Old 21 September 2015 | 12:34 PM
  #13  
JackClark's Avatar
JackClark
Scooby Senior
 
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 20,878
Likes: 51
From: Overdosed on LCD
Default

Download Flipboard, web sites have been formatting their content for more than web pages for a long time.

https://about.flipboard.com/page-markup-and-formatting/
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
JimBowen
ICE
5
02 July 2023 02:54 PM
KAS35RSTI
Subaru
27
04 November 2021 08:12 PM
Ganz1983
Subaru
5
02 October 2015 10:22 AM
The Joshua Tree
Computer & Technology Related
30
28 September 2015 03:43 PM
Wurzel
Computer & Technology Related
10
28 September 2015 01:28 PM




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:16 AM.