weapon69

As part of my new year resolution, losing my flubber is pretty high on the list.
any1 tried the protein diets and did it work?

thanks

medders

They make you fart, thats for sure. I haven't tried one, but take a lot of protein for muscle building.

TelBoy

They can do. But like all "abnormal" diet regimes, the effects reverse themselves when you stop eating a specific food type, such as predominantly protein.

At the end of the day, i'm afraid there isn't any long-term substitute for a calorie-restricted balanced diet and an exercise routine to boost the metabolism.

Almost everyone who is overweight knows, deep down, what their weakness is, whether it's takeaway meals three times a week, the binge down the pub on a weekened, the box of chocolates on the desk, whatever. The secret is to identify this and try hardest to stop it. Then your results from other aspects of dieting and exercise will be more pronounced.

HTH

super_si

Im same im having protein every 3-4hours to put serious muscle on.

I dont think thats going to aid you.

Just a good level of fitness etc will be more advanatageous

Si

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[Edited by super_si - 12/30/2002 9:02:13 AM]

Claudius

That's wrong.

High protein diets work. Not sure what you mean by "abnormal", but surely you need a lack of balance in the diet to compensate for a lack of balance in your body?

Again, there is: low carbohydrates.

Absolutely. But alcohol or rice intake wouldnt conform to the definition of high protein in the sense of low carbohydrate...

TelBoy

Claudius, with repspect, b0llocks.

Pick my message apart with infuriating quotes if you want to, but the underlying message is correct.

If you need any other national level athletes apart from myself to confirm this, please let me know.

cheers,
Terry

Dream Weaver

Low fat, low calorie and lots of exercise is the only way to do it safely

weapon69

Thanks guys lol@super si.
im not seriously overweight just want to tone up really....thanks 4 the comments tho

Scumbag

Hi protein diets do work, but so do other "fad" diets (cabbage soup, scarsdale, wrapping yourself in cellophane and living in a sauna etc.). This does not make them good for you (ask my 19 stone cousin who lost 5 stone in 3 weeks with a gastric complaint)

If you talk to nutritionists, they all (with the exception of those who make a living from promoting such things) say that nothing beats a healthy balanced diet.

Weight loss....
Simple really calories in < calories used = weight loss.

To truly lose weight you need to make a lifestyle, or habit change...if this isnt too drastic you will lose weight the ideal way, slowly, and without feeling you are an a major hardship program

Good luck
SB

ozzy

I'm with TelBoy and SB on this one. A lot of these fad diets work simply because they make you lose water and not actual fat. So yes, they will work but it won't be the healthiest thing on the planet. Why don't you just starve yourself with bread and water for a few weeks and I'm sure the pounds will just fall off

These fad diets are the stuff of the Internet and people who like making money out of selling books. People like quick-fixes which is why they love these things.

All the nutrionists and sports coaches I've spoken too over the past few years have all told me to simply eat a balanced diet. They have recommended eating more carbohydrates (e.g. pasta, rice, potatos,etc..) simply because I need the extra energy for my training routine.

As for Claudius's comments, well....

Stefan

Black Cat

The best diets start in the supermarket... if you don't buy it you can't eat it...

I went on a high protein diet a few months back and dropped alot of weight.... but having said that was it because I was eating little and often....? ... or because I was drinking loads of water .. a litre & half per day...? was it because...I ate the 5 portions of fruit & veg recommended...? was it because I took regular excercise....? or was it because I didn't eat past 7:00 pm...? or because I cut out drinking...? eating biscuits, cakes and chocolate?....

Any diet will work if you want it to work and you're dedicated to it.. I found I ate high protein in the evenings and most of my carbohydrates in the early part of the day... it worked for me... also I write down every mouthful so I can track exactly what I'm eating...

Good luck with the diet.
P

STi go fast

having done every diet/training nothing made me lose fat faster than low carb diet- nothing came close, not steroids, not exercise, nothing.

T

TelBoy

STi go fast, for one simple reason.

Carbohydrates allow your muscles to retain water.

On a low carb diet, you lose this. So you look leaner. It's a tried and tested bodybuilding contest preparation technique.

At the end of the day, as has been mentioned, it's a simple formula. If you eat less calories than your body is consuming, you will lose weight, permanently. And vice versa.

Any variation on this is, by and large, just a gimmick to help dieters keep to a regime, prevent them getting bored, think about what they are eating and so on. Dress it up as necessary, but the fundamental physiological rules apply - eat fewer calories, exercise more, and you will lose weight.

p.s. steroids do not belong in a "weight-loss" discussion, surely? They are used and abused for totally different reasons. Weight loss is almost never one of them.

Claudius

Hello Terry,

dont get me wrong, mate. I'm not infuriated or anything like that, I was just referring to your post

You are correct that you need to eat a balanced diet once you have the body you want, in order to keep it.

My point was regarding the initial state of over weight, ie. too high BF %, that the original poster was addressing.

Low calorie diets do not work because you gain the weight back once you eat "normally" again. A lot of people I know I have tried them and failed.

A lot of people I know have tried low carbing, and really, the weight takes years to come back on, and that's also because of bad nutrition (alcohol, fast sugars and the like).

From you personally, a balanced diet is needed, no doubt. What kind of sport do you do?

Claudius

I doubt that very much. Body builders want to retain as much water as possible in their muscles (they use Creatine supplements for that, btw) and get rid of the fat. BF%s as low as 4% or less are not unheard of. They look so much leaner because they ARE so much leaner! They eat no carbs whatsoever before the contest, not even an orange and are so weak the almost faint on the day of the contest, because their blood sugar levels are so low.

Taking steroids is the thing you do before you get cancer, impotency, or die, or all of the above. However, steroids increase the muscle mass, and therefore the basic metabolism, and thus make you lose weight if the diet remains unchanged.

Never, ever, take these!

TelBoy

Now, raquet sports. But in the 1990's, bodybuilding.

I know you're not infuriated Claudius. It was a general observation that i find being talked to via a series of quotations extremely patronising, that's all. Just a personal thing.

Any diet which sheds weight in a short space of time is almost certainly going to fail in the longer term. That's the way the human body has been designed to react to short-term shocks.

As has been stated, it needs to be a lifestyle thing. Giving up the bad habits. Walking instead of taking the car. For all but the most ectomorphic of us, as our age increases, that is the best and safest way to maintain a relatively low-fat and healthy body.

TKH

Just chop a leg off

TelBoy

Claudius, now you're talking utter b0llocks mate.

I don't really want to go into a full contest preparation discussion here, but trust me, much of your information is not correct.

As for your comment on steroids, you are simply misguided. If you put 100 Aspirins and 100 Nandrolone tablets side by side, i know which pile i'd rather take. But if you want to believe the hype, go ahead, it's a free world.

Claudius

Excuse me, that wasnt the intention. Just like to let people know what I refer to, especially on here, since a post can slide in between yours and mine, given the huge number of posts.

Agreed

Claudius

Well, I only stated what I heard from people who weigh over 100kg and what trainers, a nutritionist and the magazines say. If that is wrong, then I was mislead. Sorry about that.

What about the people who died with the livers damaged etc.?

I dont take Aspirin, ever!! And never said anybody should take it. I use paracetamol for headaches

TelBoy

Aspirin, in moderation, is a fantastic drug. The amount of heart attacks that could be prevented with just a half-tablet each day is almost unbelievable.

With regards contest preparation, it's not worth going into the n'th degree, because there are very many different opinions as to what should or shouldn't be done. But there is one constant, bodybuilders do NOT want their muscles full of water. It hides definition. More bodybuilders die from badly administered diuretics than from steroids.

I'd actually be the first to admit, bodybuilding is not a healthy activity, at least at seriously competitive levels. I'm glad i don't put my body through that sort of punishment any more, but like many weight lifters, i became obsessed, and couldn't stop until i'd reached what i considered to be my full potential.

alcazar

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Claudius:
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Alcazar

[Edited by alcazar - 12/30/2002 8:15:46 PM]

STi go fast

just poped back to point out that i did bodybuilding (19 stone) (before i realised you look can look a **** ) and worked in a gym for 10 years, any "non standard" supplementation was done under the watch of very highly qualifed people (and thats a rare thing in that field)..... so i know about body building fat loss and water loss and normal fat loss etc.
on my low carb diet (done recently and a long time after body bulding) i lost fat- not water or muscle...fat, it worked for me.

ps- mentioned steroids to indicate the diverse types of training a engaged in not to suggest they assited with fat loss (not directly anyway)

CC

Claudius, u have some fair points but some rubbish ones too

-bodybuilders want to maintain water in prep for contest!!?? Why do they take diuretics then? Water makes them look too soft and hides vascularity.

-steroids will kill you?! So will putting an axe in your head...anything if abused will harm you, but to make such a sweeping statement such as that is wrong. Steroids & Liver cancer has only been associated and documented in a relatively small number of cases. Usually involving C17 alpha alkylated steroid compounds (oxymetholone, halotestin) which the liver has trouble coping with....cases I've read have involved high doses over years....and it most cases the tumours recess once steroids have been stopped. So thats two out of loads of different drugs, taken way beyond dosages a bodybuilder would have, and for way longer.

Put it this way, I have ran on super unleaded AND had my liver function, cholestrol, BP checked and they were fine and within normal range . In fact I feel far from dying .

Claudius

Thanks for understanding my point rather than flaming me as some muppets on here often do

I am not a specialist, just have some basic nutrition knowledge.

I was told creatine forces water into the muscles. Which would mean more weight to the bodybuilder, wouldnt it? And that's an important criterion in contests, right? Now I dont know what that mean to definition, but I'll take your word for it.

I think body building is a healthy activity if combined with cardio training and some stretching I have done it in the past (at an amateur level) and a friend of mine just opened a gym, I will go there this weekend (after recovering from all the alcohol ) and start training again. Only supplements I take are vitamins, minerals and some whey protein / amino acids.

STI, thank you for confirming that protein diets work. They must, really, as you need some energy be it only to digest, and not eating carbs will force the body to reconvert stored fat (simply put). Right?

I wish you all a good party tonight, and a very happy new year!

TelBoy

Claudius, nope, bodyweight has nothing at all to do with winning bodybuilding competitions. It's a mistake some amateurs make - they cannot psychologically lose the mass and feel comfortable on stage, so they come in way overweight and undefined. And they lose.

Definition means being able to see the individual muscle fibres. The "optimum" condition is to look like an anatomy chart.

The supplements you are taking are a sensible mix. But if you want to gain bodyweight, a protein supplement would also be useful.

I don't think anybody has said that high-protein diets don't work. What is being said though, is that to eat a high level of protein, whilst deliberately restricting carbohydrate intake, does not work, in the long term at least. Not least because you need the instant energy from simple carbohydrates to do an effective and intense wrokout - the single biggest difference between the guys who change their body shape and those who seem to look the same year after year.

Get the workouts right, and to a large extent, it doesn't really matter what you eat, as long as it's within the definition of "sensible". At my peak, i was eating 6-8000 calories a day, and could get to about 6% bodyfat when i needed to. People who worked out with me soon realised why. Intensity - the name of the game.

apples24

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my mate bought some like these :http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=2902207911

he says it had a noticable difference the next day, suppose just gave hima little more energy, wreckns he is gradually loosing weight and he feels a lot more energised, suppose they just speed up ya metabolism thingy and the ginseng or whatever it is bosts ya energy type thing...lol

TelBoy

*cough* gimmick *cough*

But if they help, then can't knock it. All i would say is that when the psychological effects wear off, and they almost certainly will after a period of time, stop buying the product and save your money, as it will have ZERO effect if your mind doesn't want to play ball.

ChrisB

LMAO

I've got some pills that make you instantly atractive to women - just £100 each

Claudius

I dont know the criteria of the jury, but as usual, I will accept your word of experience

Why do you often read how much Nassir weighs, how much more Greg weighs, etc. if that's not important?

I agree muscle definition is a main creterion; that's why they also oil and tan their bodies, right? To make it show more.

Erm, didnt I write that?

But it does work, for a few months anyway. I have seen it, and STI has tried it!

Absolutely!