Crop Circle. In the field out back!
08 June 2003, 04:42 PM
#1
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 1999
Location: Lots of different places! (Thank you Mr. Lambert)
Posts: 3,037
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
OK here's my 2 cents worth.
To all the people who say they are all done by pranksters I ask you to explain how patterns such as complex fractals and the Arecibo telescope message have been produced in wheat fields on a huge scale overnight with no other noticeable disturbance to the surrounding ground and without anyone hearing or seeing them carry this out.
I don't know the answer, but if it is pranksters then they are highly accomplished individuals and should maybe using their nightvision levitational talents elsewhere
I have experienced one of these things appearing overnight and I am at a loss to explain it - it wasn't there at 9:00pm, but by 6:00 am the next morning it was complete and massive in it's scale. I heard and saw nothing despite the fact I was staying less than 1/4 mile from it's location - very weird.
Regards,
tiggers.
[Edited by tiggers - 8/6/2003 4:43:25 PM]
To all the people who say they are all done by pranksters I ask you to explain how patterns such as complex fractals and the Arecibo telescope message have been produced in wheat fields on a huge scale overnight with no other noticeable disturbance to the surrounding ground and without anyone hearing or seeing them carry this out.
I don't know the answer, but if it is pranksters then they are highly accomplished individuals and should maybe using their nightvision levitational talents elsewhere
I have experienced one of these things appearing overnight and I am at a loss to explain it - it wasn't there at 9:00pm, but by 6:00 am the next morning it was complete and massive in it's scale. I heard and saw nothing despite the fact I was staying less than 1/4 mile from it's location - very weird.
Regards,
tiggers.
[Edited by tiggers - 8/6/2003 4:43:25 PM]
08 June 2003, 05:01 PM
#2
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,615
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
marko
i just hope your face-to-face interpersonal skills are more developed than your rather crude virtual ones.
who said aliens? you did. i simply used the phrase "some inexplicable phenomenon" as part of a list of explanations in common circulation. if you can only view the inexplicable in terms of little green men then i suggest you were at the back of the queue when imaginations, open minds and curiosity were being dished out.
tiggers: thanks for that. just had an offline mail about a crop circle study showing evidence of super-heating and dehydration. what it means? anyone's guess.
[Edited by Holy Ghost - 8/6/2003 5:02:20 PM]
i just hope your face-to-face interpersonal skills are more developed than your rather crude virtual ones.
who said aliens? you did. i simply used the phrase "some inexplicable phenomenon" as part of a list of explanations in common circulation. if you can only view the inexplicable in terms of little green men then i suggest you were at the back of the queue when imaginations, open minds and curiosity were being dished out.
tiggers: thanks for that. just had an offline mail about a crop circle study showing evidence of super-heating and dehydration. what it means? anyone's guess.
[Edited by Holy Ghost - 8/6/2003 5:02:20 PM]
08 July 2003, 12:57 PM
#3
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 4,413
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Without wanting to go OT...
No, just that we know the constellation from the Greek names, who gave us Orion. The Egyptians knew of these stars of course, but by different names.
I don't know about "exact" match. Pretty close though. But maybe just a coincidence? If you track back any close seeming stars you could probably get them to match the Giza Pyramids at some point in history.
Who says the Egyptians didn't discover this as well 5000 years ago? There is a lot about that civilisation we don't know.
True. It could be coincidence. But they only line up on selected sites. Ones that match the theory.
And the human mind is very good and reading meaning into patterns were none actually exist.
Absolutely! I'm ready to change my views when someone presents evidence I consider strong enough to do so.
Note to Self - Get the Quote Tags right!
[Edited by Nimbus - 8/7/2003 1:03:30 PM]
The guy on that site seems to dismiss the correlation because Orion was "discovered" later by the Greeks.
I think he is mising the point. Yes, the stars are actually moving all the time and the spacing of the pyramids is an exact map of the spacing of Orions stars at 10450bc. Why this date? Who knows.
I'm sure he would also dismiss the fact that the ratio of the base circumference and the height is exactly 2pi, as Pythagoras didn't invent this until 2500 years later
As for the placement, this chap thinks it was so the king had a nice view of it being built. If you look at the placement in relation to the other monuments of the ancient world http://home.hiwaay.net/~jalison/30th.html there is certainly something to think about. Of course, it could be a pure coincidence that that the angles between Giza, Easter Island, Angkor and Nazca are represented, precisely, or it could be that we are not the first civilised race to live on earth in its 100 million year history.
If you wanted to convey information to someone doing it this way would mean that they would only start looking for the answer when they were clever enough to understand that a message was being conveyed. If you looked at a sheet of random characters on a page and then spotted a word, you would look for more. If you couldn't read, it would just be a pretty pattern.
As I said, an open mind is required.
Note to Self - Get the Quote Tags right!
[Edited by Nimbus - 8/7/2003 1:03:30 PM]
06 August 2003, 03:19 PM
#4
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,615
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
i was out walking the pooch at lunchtime, and in a wheat field about one mile from home, i found what looked like a crop circle. fresh.
not a big one; but clearly shaped like a human eye - 20 foot by 12 foot approx oval with a circular "pupil" of unbent wheat stalks in the centre. all other wheat stalks bent flat and uniformly neatly and in the same direction. you might think caused by a rotating compression.
it wasn't there last Friday.
the wheat's not been harvested yet and the tractor farm tracks close by it are partially overgrown and show now sign of recent disturbance. no vehicle has used them since the spring. also, don't know of any sort of agriculatural machinery that would leave such an odd indentation (that also rotates as it comes to rest on the ground).
odd thing number 2: two police helicopters, using their searchlights spent an hour overflying our village (v small - 450 souls) and the fields out in the direction where said circle has appeared. a number of people were woken. looked exactly like they were searching for something, sweeping in an orderly and repetitive way.
are they connected? dunno. is it an x-file. would like to think it was but no copper round here looks like gillian anderson.
anyone else have a personal crop circle experience? what do you all think of this phenomenon? evidence of a freak wind/weather condition? prank? secret aircraft under test? or just something inexplicable?
06 August 2003, 03:21 PM
#5
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: London
Posts: 4,891
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think it's been widely proven that most crop circles occur during the summer holidays of educational establishments. Whether this shows that space aliens don't have time to land their ships during term-time, or allows us to draw some other conclusion, is up to you to decide.
06 August 2003, 03:26 PM
#6
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,615
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
fair point.
but if they are pranks, i don't think they're done by kids. too neat and for some of them, too big, too complex and too widespread to be the work of bored teenagers ...
Trending Topics
06 August 2003, 03:30 PM
#8
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: London
Posts: 4,891
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Of course they're bloody pranks. Most of 'em by students - it's not that hard to do!! You're not telling me you seriously believe that they're some unexplainable phenomena?!?! 
06 August 2003, 03:39 PM
#12
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,615
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
marko
i make no judgement on all their origins because i don't know for certain - although crop circles obviously have been made by people having a giggle. i neither believe, nor disbelieve.
i simply found one that coincided with out-of-the-ordinary activity by the police. make of that what you will.
i agree with pete: they - and this one in particular - look seriously cool.
06 August 2003, 03:52 PM
#14
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: London
Posts: 4,891
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
simply found one that coincided with out-of-the-ordinary activity by the police. make of that what you will.
a) you've been watching too many sci-fi movies and
b) you don't understand the statistics involved in a magical thing called 'coincidence'.
Would you be suggesting aliens had dropped by if you'd only seen the police helicopters, and not the crop circle?
Thought not.
06 August 2003, 03:57 PM
#16
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: Scoobysport, Basildon, UK
Posts: 4,300
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
HG
I won't get the mail until tomorrow as the PC on my desk is offline for 24 hours. I'll reply tomorrow.
Tel
You weren't at the Halfway two months ago then
I won't get the mail until tomorrow as the PC on my desk is offline for 24 hours. I'll reply tomorrow.
Tel
You weren't at the Halfway two months ago then
06 August 2003, 04:00 PM
#18
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,615
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
pete
naw - chopped the tokyo express in for an H6 outback at christmas. speaking of which, do you do exhaust/airbox mods for the H6? it's too damn quiet and civilised for me.
HG
naw - chopped the tokyo express in for an H6 outback at christmas. speaking of which, do you do exhaust/airbox mods for the H6? it's too damn quiet and civilised for me.
HG
06 August 2003, 04:10 PM
#20
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: London
Posts: 4,891
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
what makes you such a chippy, patronising tit then?
1. It's a gift. I'm so good at it, it'd be a shame not to use my talent.
2. It's fun.
3. It's impossible to resist when a subject like crop circles come up, and people start claiming that they're made by space aliens, etc., and refuse to believe they could just be a hoax or a prank.
But mainly 1 & 2, really.
06 August 2003, 04:18 PM
#21
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Essexville
Posts: 4,391
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Marko, you can add "repairing maintain bikes to your repertoire soon, dont firget!!!"
these are pranks, done by planks, with planks.
must admit, some do look good.
aliens??? i ask you.
Holy Ghost, do you believe in Holy Ghosts????
BB
these are pranks, done by planks, with planks.
must admit, some do look good.
aliens??? i ask you.
Holy Ghost, do you believe in Holy Ghosts????
BB
06 August 2003, 04:26 PM
#22
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: Scoobysport, Basildon, UK
Posts: 4,300
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
HG
I'll let you know when I'm back on mail.
Tel
As my levitation skills aren't up much I have this Great for aerial photography as you can fly low.
I'll let you know when I'm back on mail.
Tel
As my levitation skills aren't up much I have this
Great for aerial photography as you can fly low.
06 August 2003, 04:31 PM
#23
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 928
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
beemerboy
if you're so sure they're all 'pranks by planks' then perhaps you could explain how on some of these circles the corn is bent through 90 degrees and yet the stalk remains unbroken...
clever these planks, aren't they?
if you're so sure they're all 'pranks by planks' then perhaps you could explain how on some of these circles the corn is bent through 90 degrees and yet the stalk remains unbroken...
clever these planks, aren't they?
06 August 2003, 04:56 PM
#25
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: London
Posts: 4,891
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Couple of points here.
1. Anyone who's ever actually had a go will know that it's easy to bend corn at 90 degrees without breaking it. Most plant material can be folded without snapping.
2. It's easy to get in and out of a cornfield without disturbing the area around the crop circles. I've walked through crops myself without leaving a trail. The gaps between the individual stalks are quite large, so if you're careful it'll look like nobody's been there.
3. The 'complex fractal shapes' aren't fractal at all, they're geometrical. And whilst they're complicated to construct, anyone can do it with a PC or a piece of graphing paper. The most complicated bit about making the crop circles is the design. The implementation, with flattening boards and a few people, is relatively easy.
4. It's a bit of a coincidence that most crop circles appear on weekends, and in the summer time. Surely aliens wouldn't be so picky?
5. UK and US farms are huge - several thousand acres. European farms are much smaller. This would explain why the UK and US see more crop circles than anywhere else - 'cos it's easier to get into a field without being detected if the whole farm is massive.
6. There are numerous cases of hoaxers showing how they did it, even folding the corn in different patterns to make the rings seem more complex than they actually are.
7. If these 'space aliens' are so smart to be able to fly hundreds of thousands of light-years, and hover over crops at night, during the summertime, leaving no other trace of their existance, why would they do it?!?!?!
A little common sense and a bit of research on the web will show that almost all crop circles are pranks or hoaxes, and the remainder can be explained by wind patterns and localised tornadoes....
1. Anyone who's ever actually had a go will know that it's easy to bend corn at 90 degrees without breaking it. Most plant material can be folded without snapping.
2. It's easy to get in and out of a cornfield without disturbing the area around the crop circles. I've walked through crops myself without leaving a trail. The gaps between the individual stalks are quite large, so if you're careful it'll look like nobody's been there.
3. The 'complex fractal shapes' aren't fractal at all, they're geometrical. And whilst they're complicated to construct, anyone can do it with a PC or a piece of graphing paper. The most complicated bit about making the crop circles is the design. The implementation, with flattening boards and a few people, is relatively easy.
4. It's a bit of a coincidence that most crop circles appear on weekends, and in the summer time. Surely aliens wouldn't be so picky?
5. UK and US farms are huge - several thousand acres. European farms are much smaller. This would explain why the UK and US see more crop circles than anywhere else - 'cos it's easier to get into a field without being detected if the whole farm is massive.
6. There are numerous cases of hoaxers showing how they did it, even folding the corn in different patterns to make the rings seem more complex than they actually are.
7. If these 'space aliens' are so smart to be able to fly hundreds of thousands of light-years, and hover over crops at night, during the summertime, leaving no other trace of their existance, why would they do it?!?!?!
A little common sense and a bit of research on the web will show that almost all crop circles are pranks or hoaxes, and the remainder can be explained by wind patterns and localised tornadoes....
06 August 2003, 05:01 PM
#26
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: London
Posts: 4,891
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I have experienced one of these things appearing overnight and I am at a loss to explain it - it wasn't there at 9:00pm, but by 6:00 am the next morning it was complete and massive in it's scale. I heard and saw nothing despite the fact I was staying less than 1/4 mile from it's location - very weird.
Given the cheap availability of night-vision and GPS equipment these days, it doesn't surprise me in the least how complicated these things get. With a little planning it would be possible to create very complex and precise forms in a field...
06 August 2003, 05:05 PM
#27
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 928
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
markO - if you do ever manage to successfully bend a wheat stalk without damaging it, then I'd like to see a pic please - it would be a first.
I know you can bend them without snapping, but bending them without damage?
I don't neccesarily subscribe to the 'space alien' theory either, but I do believe there is a phenomena going on here, not a group of to55ers with string and planks...
I know you can bend them without snapping, but bending them without damage?
I don't neccesarily subscribe to the 'space alien' theory either, but I do believe there is a phenomena going on here, not a group of to55ers with string and planks...
06 August 2003, 05:11 PM
#28
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: In the naughty corner
Posts: 10,869
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Can't resist, but can't decide whether to go with;
You have 5 or 6 mates?! 
Or just,
Give me 9 hours with a field and 5 or 6 mates
Or just,
Give me 9 hours with a field and 5 or 6 mates
06 August 2003, 06:10 PM
#30
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 1999
Location: Lots of different places! (Thank you Mr. Lambert)
Posts: 3,037
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It's a bit of a coincidence that most crop circles appear on weekends, and in the summer time. Surely aliens wouldn't be so picky?
Additionally regarding the fractal circle - yes of course it's a geometric shape, but it's created from a fractal equation - I'll wager you'd struggle to plot it on paper let alone at night in a wheat field quietly and without distrubing any of the surrounding crop.
I'm not saying aliens are visitng our planet, but I just don't buy the theory that they're all created by pranksters - I just don't see how they can be.
tiggers.