Hazard perception test - tomorrow.
07 September 2003, 05:55 PM
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Just keep your eyes open, I got 35/35 on the questions an I think it was 55/65 for the Hazard Perception, the pass is 40 and I was bricking it but it was dead easy. I have been driving for 14 years though so I think experience kicks in, I had to re-do it as I am going for my bike licence.
07 September 2003, 07:57 PM
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I have been driving the GT. Private land you see 
scares the **** out of me!
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I'll post on here asap tomorrow, after i have passed!!!
scares the **** out of me!
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I'll post on here asap tomorrow, after i have passed!!!
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08 September 2003, 02:31 PM
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arrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggggg ****in hazard bollox!
100% on theory 35 out of 35.
40 out of 75 for hazard ****e. Arg!
am pissed off. **** the lisense. Wheres my ****in keys! :angry:
100% on theory 35 out of 35.
40 out of 75 for hazard ****e. Arg!
am pissed off. **** the lisense. Wheres my ****in keys! :angry:
08 September 2003, 04:32 PM
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I'm in the middle of my ADI training and watch out with your HP cos there is an inbuilt cheat mode!
Just an example of what has happened to somebody and it was posted on my work forum.
We have recently been informed by a local LGV student that he scored zero on two hazard perception clips because the system thought he was cheating. On one clip he states he had only double clicked twice and yet it told him that due to an irregular clicking pattern he had scored zero for that clip. The LGV student has complained to the DSA and they have offered him a free re-test. However, he is not happy with this because he scored 99% on the theory part of the test and does not feel he should have to take this again on principle.
I have investigated this matter with a "so-called" expert on hazard perception in the DSA. Unfortunately they would not let me speak to the consultants or programmers who were involved in the development of the anti-cheat device to determine precisely what might have gone wrong.
The man from the DSA stated that if somesome rapidly clicked the mouse button and the clicks were evenly spaced apart it could activate the anti-cheat device. He assured me it would be impossible for a double click to activate this as the cheat device software only looked at the gaps between the clicks to see if a pattern had arisen. Obviously two clicks cannot result in a pattern as their is only one gap.
He said it was possible although unlikly that 3 or 4 clicks would activate this unless the time gaps between each click were nearly identical. I must admit I wasn't sure if the person really knew what he was talking about as he made it appear that the device was very sensitive and in anyway why would anyone need to click the mouse button more than once.
I pointed out that someone may click it more than once simple because they may not have been sure the click was registered or that they had pressed the button hard enough. I also pointed out that it is not always possible to determine when a potential hazard becomes a developing hazard and therefore they may click the mouse button as the hazard develops. His response to this was that if they clicked as the hazard developed it would be unlikly that the clicks would be evenly spread out and therefore they would not be picked up by the anti-cheat device.
Finally I told him that anyone who wanted to cheat wouldn't just do a short burst of clicks over a second or two. It just wouldn't make sense over a 60 second clip. This would be just about the most ineffective way to cheat. He responded by agreeing that it wouldn't be an effective way to cheat. However, they had asked people to try to cheat the system and this is one of the things they did!! This is a bit like saying we know that people who are poor drivers grit they teeth. Therefore even if they do not make a mistake on the test someone who grits their theet should be failed!!
This recent information is very different to that which we obtained from the experts who went round with the travelling hazard perception roadshow back in October last year and upon which our advice is based.
If you have taken the part 1 test and you got a zero on any hazard perception clip for cheating can you let us know the circumstances under which it appeared to happen? Did you rapidly click? Were the clicks evenly spread out? How many clicks did you make etc.
Oh and I'm having to go through all this and I keep failing the HP when children are about
but pass everything else first time. Also I'm having some problems with the clips as they are making me feel very sick like I do when playing certain PS2 games!!
AJ
Just an example of what has happened to somebody and it was posted on my work forum.
We have recently been informed by a local LGV student that he scored zero on two hazard perception clips because the system thought he was cheating. On one clip he states he had only double clicked twice and yet it told him that due to an irregular clicking pattern he had scored zero for that clip. The LGV student has complained to the DSA and they have offered him a free re-test. However, he is not happy with this because he scored 99% on the theory part of the test and does not feel he should have to take this again on principle.
I have investigated this matter with a "so-called" expert on hazard perception in the DSA. Unfortunately they would not let me speak to the consultants or programmers who were involved in the development of the anti-cheat device to determine precisely what might have gone wrong.
The man from the DSA stated that if somesome rapidly clicked the mouse button and the clicks were evenly spaced apart it could activate the anti-cheat device. He assured me it would be impossible for a double click to activate this as the cheat device software only looked at the gaps between the clicks to see if a pattern had arisen. Obviously two clicks cannot result in a pattern as their is only one gap.
He said it was possible although unlikly that 3 or 4 clicks would activate this unless the time gaps between each click were nearly identical. I must admit I wasn't sure if the person really knew what he was talking about as he made it appear that the device was very sensitive and in anyway why would anyone need to click the mouse button more than once.
I pointed out that someone may click it more than once simple because they may not have been sure the click was registered or that they had pressed the button hard enough. I also pointed out that it is not always possible to determine when a potential hazard becomes a developing hazard and therefore they may click the mouse button as the hazard develops. His response to this was that if they clicked as the hazard developed it would be unlikly that the clicks would be evenly spread out and therefore they would not be picked up by the anti-cheat device.
Finally I told him that anyone who wanted to cheat wouldn't just do a short burst of clicks over a second or two. It just wouldn't make sense over a 60 second clip. This would be just about the most ineffective way to cheat. He responded by agreeing that it wouldn't be an effective way to cheat. However, they had asked people to try to cheat the system and this is one of the things they did!! This is a bit like saying we know that people who are poor drivers grit they teeth. Therefore even if they do not make a mistake on the test someone who grits their theet should be failed!!
This recent information is very different to that which we obtained from the experts who went round with the travelling hazard perception roadshow back in October last year and upon which our advice is based.
If you have taken the part 1 test and you got a zero on any hazard perception clip for cheating can you let us know the circumstances under which it appeared to happen? Did you rapidly click? Were the clicks evenly spread out? How many clicks did you make etc.
Oh and I'm having to go through all this and I keep failing the HP when children are about
but pass everything else first time. Also I'm having some problems with the clips as they are making me feel very sick like I do when playing certain PS2 games!!AJ
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Hazard Perception is bollox.
now, i dont know about you, but I dont drive a transit van, from the left of the roof, with a big fluffy mic in my ear while wearing ear plugs.
i mean WTF!?
i saw the hazard, click, then maybe click again to make sure i got it!
****in DSA *******s. Im seriously considering whether its worth getting a lisense the amount of asylum seekers round here without one. Its utter complete bollox to screw people out of more money for the ****ing goverment ****s. Im pissed of with this ****in ****! Im goin down there tomorrow and givin them some stick. Its not ****in fair, my mates are having a chuckle because they all passed when it was 35 to pass. I mean, Potential Hazard Perception. WTF!?
Look theres a plane in the sky, it could fall out the sky and land on me. (this was hackchelly on one clip) a bird flies in front of the car, hazard, my poor intercooler fins maybe diplaced.
UTTER BOLLOX!
now, i dont know about you, but I dont drive a transit van, from the left of the roof, with a big fluffy mic in my ear while wearing ear plugs.
i mean WTF!?
i saw the hazard, click, then maybe click again to make sure i got it!
****in DSA *******s. Im seriously considering whether its worth getting a lisense the amount of asylum seekers round here without one. Its utter complete bollox to screw people out of more money for the ****ing goverment ****s. Im pissed of with this ****in ****! Im goin down there tomorrow and givin them some stick. Its not ****in fair, my mates are having a chuckle because they all passed when it was 35 to pass. I mean, Potential Hazard Perception. WTF!?
Look theres a plane in the sky, it could fall out the sky and land on me. (this was hackchelly on one clip) a bird flies in front of the car, hazard, my poor intercooler fins maybe diplaced.
UTTER BOLLOX!
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08 September 2003, 06:44 PM
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yup, thats why I got 35 out of 35.
cant really prepare for the hazard ****e!
Im pissed off.
both times the same!
if i dont do it 3rd then i wont happen. Same brain, same rules, same knowledge of the road.
****in tw@ts.
cant really prepare for the hazard ****e!
Im pissed off.
both times the same!
if i dont do it 3rd then i wont happen. Same brain, same rules, same knowledge of the road.
****in tw@ts.
08 September 2003, 10:37 PM
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CALM DOWN !!!!!!!
Its a bummer, its not the end of the world, just a neccessary evil to get to the ultimate goal, youll do it ! email me (the one in the profile is wrong) and I will send you the CD gratis.
markj1@nildram.co.uk
Now how did you get on with the young lady, perhaps she can help ?
Its a bummer, its not the end of the world, just a neccessary evil to get to the ultimate goal, youll do it ! email me (the one in the profile is wrong) and I will send you the CD gratis.
markj1@nildram.co.uk
Now how did you get on with the young lady, perhaps she can help ?
09 September 2003, 04:00 PM
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young lady didnt seem interested. gunna see if shes bothered tonight. Tried to spark a convo but she seemed preoccupied.
feckin DSA.
****s!
feckin DSA.
****s!
09 September 2003, 04:41 PM
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i think the clip should be longer with more space between hazards as a few people i have spoken to also found it difficult as you are trying to find everything in such a short time
and you are under pressure to get them all its not like that on the road
and you are under pressure to get them all its not like that on the road
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