David_Wallis

What would some ****** get for murder?

Unfortunatley the guy murdered outside the chained bull was one of my friends..

I also know the person who did it..

How long would someone get?

David

Puff The Magic Wagon!

iTrader: (2)

Theory is that Murder has a mandatory life sentance if found guilty.

Life, however, does not mean life as we all know ( [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] ) so quite often a judge makes a recommendation & that is what the murderer is held for.

11 years probably.

fatherpierre

They then spend the rest of their life under license, so if they commit another crime, no matter how trivial they are straight back inside. That's the theory, anyway.

Who was murdered and how?

misty

Someone kills another person, they should be put to death! no questions asked, no appeals, if we get it wrong now and again tough, 99% of the time it would be the right course of action. And as we keep being told in any war there is always collateral damage.
dave[img]ttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/12/12_1_214.gif[/img]

[Edited by misty - 1/2/2004 7:33:09 PM]

carl

I guess it's this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/3362063.stm

fatherpierre

Poor lad.

Stabbing's an awful crime.

Easterly Road... Not far from where I grew up.

David_Wallis

Why where did you grow up?

Yes, thats the one, sad thing is I would have been drinking with stuart and the other lad who was arrested (later release with no charges) if I hadnt have gone out with p20spd.

David

Wish

iTrader: (2)

Earth to Misty, come in Misty !
You are not serious regarding your above statement
I agree there should be a death pentaly but please lets make sure its 100% watertight, Ie HUNTLEY

Katana

Sorry to hear about it mate. This is if they get to prove that its 1st murder and not 2nd degree murder. These type of cvnts seem to not get a long sentence that they deserve. Life should mean life and no parole..

fatherpierre

Horrible Harehills/East End Park

misty

Wish if we waited for 100% on every crime no ****** would be nicked.
dave



[Edited by misty - 1/2/2004 7:45:57 PM]

David_Wallis

whats the difference between 1st and 2nd degree murder?

David

Katana

One is premeditated and the other is not. The only way to get done for first is when you plan the murder beforehand (i.e. revenge) which is the more serious of the two. In some countries, this would amount to death whereas the second would probably get you life with parole in 10 years. Not sure how the system works here but I can ask my parents if you want as they've taken English law.

edit: Its also going to be up to their lawyers and how good (or sleazy) they are. I hate them with a passion because a lot of criminals are on the loose thanks to their deceitful ways.

[Edited by Katana - 1/2/2004 7:50:18 PM]

David_Wallis

If a knife is involved then wouldnt that be classed as pre meditated?

Even though, he could have allways carried a knife on him?

David

carl

Yes, but there's not much required to make it premeditated. For example, someone in our town got done for 1st degree murder. He went round and stabbed his neighbour due to some disagreement over noise . But the point was that he took the knife with him, so he must have "planned" the attack. If there had been a scuffle, and during it he had picked up the knife from the kitchen worktop, then it'd be 2nd degree or manslaughter.

Scooby96

What ever happened to that bloke that stabbed that young kid outside a shop approx 3-4 months ago.

And that scottish bloke who got 5 years for raping an 18 month old?

Katana

I'm no lawyer but there must be some proof that the c*nt had beef with your friend before the killing took place. Its all going to have to do with the jury and judge whether they think that its a first or second.

edit: I'll phone my parents up at midnight to compensate for the time difference but I think I might be correct but I better make sure.

[Edited by Katana - 1/2/2004 7:54:23 PM]

V45DSM

Yes, and when you're being strapped to the gurney after being wrongly convicted, I'll be there making a '***** *****' gesture and mouthing 'loser'.

Pratt.

[Edited by V45DSM - 1/2/2004 7:56:38 PM]

scoobchrissy

iTrader: (1)

1st degree mean's he will get life with a rec!
2nd degree mean's about 8 year's to life, i think!

my brother was stabbed to death, straight through the heart,
the kid that did it got life, then appealed without our barristers there, and got it knocked down to 8 years JUSTICE is sh*t sometimes.
chrissy

turboman786

Scoobchrissy, as far as I am aware there is no thing in English law such as 1st/2nd degree murder. We have murder and manslaughter both of which hold life sentences although in the case of murder life is mandatory.

When someone is sentenced to life, they are given a minimum tariff..ie period they must serve inside before being eligible to apply for parole. The current average tariff is approx 15 years although there are many many lifers who go into the 20+ years. The tariff will vary depending on the circumstances surrounding the murder.

Gedi

You wouldn't be saying that if it was one of your family members who was wrongly convicted and executed.

scoobchrissy

iTrader: (1)

turboman786, sorry m8 i stand corrected,
so what happen's when someone get's life with a recomendation, is that for multipul murder?, not sure myself so just asking.

Katana

Same here. Just couldnt give the proper terminology for it.

DRUNKNORGY

Whats wrong with the police stopping and frisking on a Friday and Saturday Night, whats wrong with 'All' of the clubs statuatory use of metal detectors to stop these ********* carring Knives into town 'For a Good Night out' .

The Priorities are very wrong with Policing in this country, and its the reason I stopped clubbing a few years ago on a regular basis - Too many ***** wanting to fight the world after a sniff of the barmaids apron .

To Serve and Protect - What a Joke, Still they can be relied upon to nick us for speeding on some nice quiet empty backroad

Condolences to your mates family BTW

David_Wallis

this was outside a pub, not a club.

David_Wallis

bump..due in court today / tomorrow.


[Edited by David_Wallis - 1/7/2004 12:11:43 AM]

LG John

Even at that the not all the jury was convinced he was guilty! As far as I can see its clear cut but surely EVERYONE would have to be 100% sure??

Luke

English style of complaining..... "Cup of tea anyone"



The madness wont stop.. why ?? because Jo Public isnt prepared to get off their **** and take to the streets to demonstrate.

hard luck.... its the country that we have made it.

chiark

Luke,

I really hope I'm reading what you've posted wrong. Someone has been murdered - who is a friend of David, a good friend of mine - and you're saying "hard luck, that's the country we've made it"

If that isn't what you mean, I suggest you edit your post. I'll not comment on it if that is what you meant to say, as it wouldn't be pleasant.

Cheers,
Nick.

Luke

Nick

Its aimed at the whole general situation in the UK ..Not Davids friend. Also he says he knows of the murderer??? Is he also a friend...????

Its a "POP" at all of us. Not David.

Its just time after time after time etc etc etc etc we listen to all this......