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03 January 2004, 08:29 PM
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Read in the paper that they want to increase the cong. charge to the whole of the area within the M25. Several cities are also looking to adopt it.
another stealth tax by our glorius leaders then?
another stealth tax by our glorius leaders then?
03 January 2004, 08:34 PM
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I have been reading superb results from the implementation of the CG in the City ..... seems it takes men with ***** to sort this country out?!
Who would have thought that red Ken had it right all along?
Stealth Taxes are those that you cannot see, you appear to be well aware of the implications of these charges?
Pete
Who would have thought that red Ken had it right all along?
Stealth Taxes are those that you cannot see, you appear to be well aware of the implications of these charges?
Pete
03 January 2004, 09:05 PM
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OH SO ITS OK THEN
i know, after the m25 area lets do the m40 / m4 corridor, then leeds, liverpool, manchester, then all the cities.
On top of road tax that "pays for the road"
And the fine for sorn, and lets raise road tax as well, then petrol, then we will add on vat and raise that to 20%
i know for a fact that one city council intends to put a cg in operation.
Oh and now we have toll roads.
IF the price of transport goes up, so does everything else.
You can manipulate the figures by altering traffic lights to make it seem busier / free flowing.
Still more money from your pocket to the treasury, or is that not a tax???????????????
i know, after the m25 area lets do the m40 / m4 corridor, then leeds, liverpool, manchester, then all the cities.
On top of road tax that "pays for the road"
And the fine for sorn, and lets raise road tax as well, then petrol, then we will add on vat and raise that to 20%
i know for a fact that one city council intends to put a cg in operation.
Oh and now we have toll roads.
IF the price of transport goes up, so does everything else.
You can manipulate the figures by altering traffic lights to make it seem busier / free flowing.
Still more money from your pocket to the treasury, or is that not a tax???????????????
take a chill pill 
03 January 2004, 09:10 PM
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Of course its a tax - but its hardly Stealth if we all know about it
We have all made a fortune from our houses, from the New Labour economy, from the lowest interest rates in a lifetime .... all they are asking is for a little bit back to build schools and hospitals to make us even greater!
You surely can't begrudge them that?????
Pete
We have all made a fortune from our houses, from the New Labour economy, from the lowest interest rates in a lifetime .... all they are asking is for a little bit back to build schools and hospitals to make us even greater!
You surely can't begrudge them that?????
Pete
03 January 2004, 10:42 PM
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The congestion charge has not benefited the motorist who pays it as travelling in London by motor vehicle is now worse than when Ken got elected as he has removed so much road capacity at key places with extra bus lanes and cycle routes and widening of empty pavements that travel times for motorists are longer.
Of course he has raised lots of money from people who do not live in his voting area therefore have to pay him but can't vote him out so is a very clever politician. Personally I don't care if the charge goes up to £50 a day as I just pass it on to my clients as do all the other businesses working in the zone but then again maybe one day the voters inside the zone will realise this and vote him out?
As to being better than before well we all know he was adjusting the traffic lights and the road works were increased leading up to when it started and then the lights reset once it had been implemented. And the many road works suspended for the first 2 weeks.
Still if people are happy paying 80% tax on fuel and then road tax and then insurance tax and then congestion charge out of the pittance left after the government has taken 30+% income tax (Stealth or not) they will re-elected him. Personal I don’t see why I should work 80 hours a week so they can take it away from me and give it back in hand outs to those to lazy to work more than 35 hours a week, still new labour old labour all the same really re-distribute the money we earn whilst keeping theirs in their pockets
Of course he has raised lots of money from people who do not live in his voting area therefore have to pay him but can't vote him out so is a very clever politician. Personally I don't care if the charge goes up to £50 a day as I just pass it on to my clients as do all the other businesses working in the zone but then again maybe one day the voters inside the zone will realise this and vote him out?
As to being better than before well we all know he was adjusting the traffic lights and the road works were increased leading up to when it started and then the lights reset once it had been implemented. And the many road works suspended for the first 2 weeks.
Still if people are happy paying 80% tax on fuel and then road tax and then insurance tax and then congestion charge out of the pittance left after the government has taken 30+% income tax (Stealth or not) they will re-elected him. Personal I don’t see why I should work 80 hours a week so they can take it away from me and give it back in hand outs to those to lazy to work more than 35 hours a week, still new labour old labour all the same really re-distribute the money we earn whilst keeping theirs in their pockets
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04 January 2004, 12:05 AM
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Haha - I've been away for a few weeks and have missed PSLewis' amusing New Labour mantra....
"We have all made a fortune from our houses, from the New Labour economy, from the lowest interest rates in a lifetime ...."
tsk tsk - the majority of people have not made a fortune from their houses as it's money that's tied up - i.e. your house has gone up by 10%, whoop de do - so has everyone else's and the gap to moving to a better house has also just gone up by 10%. excellent.
lowest interest rates in a lifetime - very true. we shall shortly see the biggest repossessions rate in a lifetime as well as our wonderous leaders have encouraged the proletariat to fill its boots with 'cheap' debt. Not so cheap when interest rates creep up a couple of percent, which they surely will to fund the (also largest) state pensions hole in history.
Funny how the rating of 'trust in the government' has fallen to an all time low, isn't it? i.e. only 18% of the population believe anything the government says any more......
Oh well, at least we're not in as bad a position as our socialist brethren on the Continent....until Bliar secretly joins the Euro for us anyway......
Gordo
"We have all made a fortune from our houses, from the New Labour economy, from the lowest interest rates in a lifetime ...."
tsk tsk - the majority of people have not made a fortune from their houses as it's money that's tied up - i.e. your house has gone up by 10%, whoop de do - so has everyone else's and the gap to moving to a better house has also just gone up by 10%. excellent.
lowest interest rates in a lifetime - very true. we shall shortly see the biggest repossessions rate in a lifetime as well as our wonderous leaders have encouraged the proletariat to fill its boots with 'cheap' debt. Not so cheap when interest rates creep up a couple of percent, which they surely will to fund the (also largest) state pensions hole in history.
Funny how the rating of 'trust in the government' has fallen to an all time low, isn't it? i.e. only 18% of the population believe anything the government says any more......
Oh well, at least we're not in as bad a position as our socialist brethren on the Continent....until Bliar secretly joins the Euro for us anyway......
Gordo
04 January 2004, 12:50 AM
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And the fine for sorn, and lets raise road tax as well, then petrol, then we will add on vat and raise that to 20%
i know for a fact that one city council intends to put a cg in operation.
i know for a fact that one city council intends to put a cg in operation.
No offence, but would you like to expand on these comments? What's wrong with a fine for SORN - a good thing if it helps get the untaxed cars off the streets (or do you not mind them?). Add VAT on to what? What evidence is there for a 20% VAT rate being introduced? Which council is to introduce the congestion charge?
Concrete real world answers to these questions would be appreciated and if you haven't got them why rant about something that isn't going to happen or do you know different?
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04 January 2004, 11:07 AM
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WHATS WRONG WITH A FINE FOR SORN
Simple, whilst i dont want to see untaxed cars on the road, it is just another way to tax the car owner. Even if you tax your car on the 2nd day of a month you can be fined. All the cars that are in barns, lock ups etc need to be sorn declared, so what about all the vehicles that dont get declared, they will just be scrapped. So if you go on holiday on the last two weeks of the month, you have to tax your car or get a sorn, or get a fine. I am all for getting untaxed cars off of the road, but the guy who aint gonna tax his car dont give a sh*t anyway.
As usual under this gov half arsed laws thought of by half arsed politicians.
On the subject of your house has gone up 10%, so has everyone elses so you have not made any money have you!
[Edited by PETENAUD - 1/4/2004 11:14:05 AM]
Simple, whilst i dont want to see untaxed cars on the road, it is just another way to tax the car owner. Even if you tax your car on the 2nd day of a month you can be fined. All the cars that are in barns, lock ups etc need to be sorn declared, so what about all the vehicles that dont get declared, they will just be scrapped. So if you go on holiday on the last two weeks of the month, you have to tax your car or get a sorn, or get a fine. I am all for getting untaxed cars off of the road, but the guy who aint gonna tax his car dont give a sh*t anyway.
As usual under this gov half arsed laws thought of by half arsed politicians.
On the subject of your house has gone up 10%, so has everyone elses so you have not made any money have you!
[Edited by PETENAUD - 1/4/2004 11:14:05 AM]
04 January 2004, 11:12 AM
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tiggers, 20% vat has been discussed by this gov. At the moment its not going up, but more of a question of time.
I wont give any more infor on the council who wants to implement a cg, i got the info thro a contact in said council so its not up to me to say.
On petrol you pay the base price, the mark up ny the retailer, tax and then on top of all this vat, so you are paying vat on tax, if you dont beleive this next time you fill up get a receipt and look at the vat breakdown.
oh and the £1000 per year tax disc has also been discussed.
[Edited by PETENAUD - 1/4/2004 11:13:08 AM]
I wont give any more infor on the council who wants to implement a cg, i got the info thro a contact in said council so its not up to me to say.
On petrol you pay the base price, the mark up ny the retailer, tax and then on top of all this vat, so you are paying vat on tax, if you dont beleive this next time you fill up get a receipt and look at the vat breakdown.
oh and the £1000 per year tax disc has also been discussed.
[Edited by PETENAUD - 1/4/2004 11:13:08 AM]
04 January 2004, 11:26 AM
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Petenaud,
With all due respect you are typical of the blinkered view brigade. Here's a few facts.
SORN - the fine is not a tax, it's a fine. If you follow the SORN guidelines you will not be paying the fine so how is it a tax? It's called the law of the land and this one is actually quite sensible.
VAT on petrol - Yes I know VAT is charged on petrol. My point was that you seem to be implying this is soemthing new which it isn't. Which government do you think introduced VAT on petrol? Hint - it wasn't the current one!
20% VAT has been discussed by this government - point me at the white papers and I will believe you. I think you'll find it's only been discussed by the media when they were short of Saddam/Soham type stories to fill their stupid little lives with.
Ditto - £1000 per year tax disc except even the media haven't discussed this as far as I know!
Next you'll be telling me it's Tony Blair's fault that it's raining
tiggers.
With all due respect you are typical of the blinkered view brigade. Here's a few facts.
SORN - the fine is not a tax, it's a fine. If you follow the SORN guidelines you will not be paying the fine so how is it a tax? It's called the law of the land and this one is actually quite sensible.
VAT on petrol - Yes I know VAT is charged on petrol. My point was that you seem to be implying this is soemthing new which it isn't. Which government do you think introduced VAT on petrol? Hint - it wasn't the current one!
20% VAT has been discussed by this government - point me at the white papers and I will believe you. I think you'll find it's only been discussed by the media when they were short of Saddam/Soham type stories to fill their stupid little lives with.
Ditto - £1000 per year tax disc except even the media haven't discussed this as far as I know!
Next you'll be telling me it's Tony Blair's fault that it's raining
tiggers.
04 January 2004, 11:44 AM
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Tiggers, this is a bit OT, but even if what PN says is all cobblers, tell me something good that's happening in the UK these days. I wish someone would. Im no nihilist but I wish someone had some good news rather than just refuting the bad. Go on, make my day 
BTW I love where I live and am not in the 'I hate the UK' brigade.
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BTW I love where I live and am not in the 'I hate the UK' brigade.
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04 January 2004, 12:19 PM
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Ttraffic management bill is quite interesting
www.publications.parliament.uk
I am not blaming the gov, the torys are just as bad.
However, speed cameras have doubled under labour, by 2007 50% of all motorists will have points on their license.
Why dont they put road tax on petrol? oh and how much of the amount you pay on road tax goes on roads, not a lot.
Sorry, but i just feel as a car enthusiast we are getting shafted, if you are happy with the situation then fine. True, we have a lot of problems that dont have an easy answer, just sick of the tax it tax it tax it solution. And if you cant tax it, lets put a charge on it.
Its all going to go bang, do you want the uk to end up like japan, why do you think so many jdm cars end up here, cos they cant keep them on the roads in japan.
If it continues i can see in 10 -20 years time we will all be driving smart cars limited to 60mph and paying over £1000 a year for the privilage.
I am not slagging off the uk either.
www.publications.parliament.uk
I am not blaming the gov, the torys are just as bad.
However, speed cameras have doubled under labour, by 2007 50% of all motorists will have points on their license.
Why dont they put road tax on petrol? oh and how much of the amount you pay on road tax goes on roads, not a lot.
Sorry, but i just feel as a car enthusiast we are getting shafted, if you are happy with the situation then fine. True, we have a lot of problems that dont have an easy answer, just sick of the tax it tax it tax it solution. And if you cant tax it, lets put a charge on it.
Its all going to go bang, do you want the uk to end up like japan, why do you think so many jdm cars end up here, cos they cant keep them on the roads in japan.
If it continues i can see in 10 -20 years time we will all be driving smart cars limited to 60mph and paying over £1000 a year for the privilage.
I am not slagging off the uk either.
04 January 2004, 12:37 PM
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I'm not saying that motorists don't have legitimate reasons to be upset over the way the cost of motoring is escalating, but the tendency on SN is to solely blame the government. In truth some of this problem does stem from top line government, but the local authorities, police and petrol companies all play their part.
I just get a little fed up when I read ridiculous statements on here about what the mythical "they" are going to do next with no real substance to back up these claims.
As for something good happening in the UK Jye I take your point that things to seem pretty bleak in some respects, but what is the solution? Personally I feel the country needs to be governed by a hard line party, but neither the current governement nor the Tories seem to have the stomach for the harsh decisions that need to be made.
Therefore I guess emigrating might have to be the final answer sad though that may be!
Regards,
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I just get a little fed up when I read ridiculous statements on here about what the mythical "they" are going to do next with no real substance to back up these claims.
As for something good happening in the UK Jye I take your point that things to seem pretty bleak in some respects, but what is the solution? Personally I feel the country needs to be governed by a hard line party, but neither the current governement nor the Tories seem to have the stomach for the harsh decisions that need to be made.
Therefore I guess emigrating might have to be the final answer sad though that may be!
Regards,
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