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Old 24 May 2004, 01:03 PM
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i have a pedigree bulldog and was wondering the age they have to be before you can stud them out
Old 24 May 2004, 02:08 PM
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has he been heart ect tested ?
Old 24 May 2004, 02:10 PM
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Has he won any shows? does he bring any thing to the breed is he a very good example of the breed standard?
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i havent shown him as i dont have the time but his dad come 3rd at crufts so he is from a good family
Old 24 May 2004, 06:55 PM
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As soon as he has bollocks as far as im concerned, leave the rest to him
my dog accidently got sired by a deaf collie, he was only 6 months old!! we had to have anti pregnancy injections
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I have a 5 and a half month old labrador, and have been told that the best time to have your dog done is around 6/7 months old.

Thats when i plan to have my puppy done. But to be totally on the safe side, give your local vets a ring and they should be able to advise you on it.
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If this labrador you are talking about is a bitch then you risk killing her if you let her breed at such a young age.

She needs to have had at least one term in heat before being allowed to breed. A friend of mine keeps labs and one of his was accidently 'got' at 9 months old and ended up having to have a historectomy due to the death of the pups inside her as at 9 months old the bitch is not fully developed.

Would you let a 12 year old child have kids? Thought not though it is possible they are not fully developed.

A male dog could be studded out from about 11-12 months old, a female needs to be left to about 18 months old at least.

All IMHO from all the professionals I have talked to before buying my Lab.

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I think Herts T555 Bird is talking about getting his/her dog spayed.

IMO 6/7 months old, for a bitch is too early to get them spayed
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199again,

If he hasnt been shown breeders wont be interested unless he is a very special dog, has something in particular to bring to their line or if they are looking to make a quick buck at the expence of the breed.
One of our dogs has 1/3 of a blood line that has some breeders interested however he hasnt really matured the way we hoped he would. As such we wont put him out to be a $hagging machine just to make a bit of cash. He will have to develop very well in the next few months......which I doubt : (
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Taken from champdogs.co.uk...
The Bulldog
History
Traditionally recognised as 'the British breed' and renowned for the bulldog spirit and strength and is often referred to as the Churchill dog as it was used to portray the courage and spirit of England during the second world war. It goes back in history in early literature in the 13th century there are mentions of the forerunners of this breed and is best known for being used for bull and bear baiting, its stance giving the weight and power, its wrinkled face supposed to protect their vision from blood........However these barbaric practices were outlawed and the bulldog became bred for his companionship, loyalty.

In 1875 the oldest bulldog club was formed 'the Bulldog Club Incorperated'and it is still the foremost club today,with approximately 20 more clubs throughout the country, serious breeders and exhibitors in the show world work for the love and protection of the breed, improving the health problems associated with the breed.

The character of bulldogs
Bulldogs are quite stubborn, extremely faithful to their owners look quite fierce and when called upon to protect their loved ones,would act accordingly.They are not great barkers and are happy just to be near their beloved owners, they can be lazy and are content to be couch potatoes if you let them but to maintain good health, muscle tone and short nails regular exercise on hard surface (pavements)is recommended.

They will live happily with other animals but need to be young when introduced to live in harmony, they are possessive over toys, treats and food and even their favourite person.

Bulldogs love children make a good family pet known for an affinity with them, but in this I feel its important for the bulldog to be reared with the children from a pup ,and care taken to protect the pup from too much attention and a peaceful haven provided for dog to retreat too. As they are a powerful dog it is important your children respect this addition to the family.My own bulldogs live happily with each other, two veteran cats and visiting toddlers!

Bulldog characteristics
A full breed standard is available from the Kennel Club or any of the breed clubs.I don't intend to reprint it in detail here

Bulldogs are approximately 50lbs, the males having a bigger head and looking more impressive than the bitches who should be about 5lbs lighter A heavy stocky looking dog and although described as big dogs, I myself think they are a medium size in height.They can be any colour but black, their coat is short haired and rather spiky, they moult in our modern heated houses , (this can be almost all year round,) they can have straight or screwed tails,they are never docked, their expression should be 'Sour' and it is preferable not to show their teeth.

Their life span is like most heavy dogs average 9 years but I personally know one of 14 years and ofcourse it does depend on the lifestyle, a regular steady walk, not too much weight carried can give your bulldog a good chance of a longer life.

Problems associated with the breed
Hot weather is a danger to bulldogs,their faces are called brachycephalic it means short faced which also means there are problems breathing, they particularly struggle in the heat, travelling in hot cars , sunbathing(which they are partial to) all can result in a dangerous situation which has been known to cause death. immediate but slow cooling down is needed to save an overheated bulldog. White bulldogs can lack protective pigment and may suffer severe sunburn if allowed out in the hottest part of the day, its safer to walk bulldogs in the early morning and late in the evening during the summer.

One of the reasons bulldogs are expensive to buy is they are very expensive to breed as unfortunately they often need a Caesarean section to deliver their puppies,and although they are good mothers they are also clumsy and a 24 hour per day vigil for the first three weeks by the whelping box is necessary to avert the very real danger of the mother overlaying the pups.Unless you are at home all the time, breeding is not an option with this breed and I feel it is not a novice breeders best choice as rearing a litter properly is very time consuming and its very important to get the feeding right. As they are a rapid growth breed if they are not reared well they never achieve the bone, power and stature that is characteristic of this wonderful breed.

The following are a list of other problems that breeders have tried to eradicate but it must be mentioned at this point:

Entropian this is an eye condition, hereditary caused by eyelids inturning
Heart murmurs.. sometimes found in puppies and in various degrees of seriousness
Skin problems.. due to Hormones in bitches
and in some breeding lines Demodetic mange
Allergies that can be helped by feeding special diets ie:chicken and rice
Some hip problems are in the breed but there is no recommendation for the scoring of bulldog hips,as in some breeds.
Its worth mentioning here that bulldogs don't react well to anaesthetics, and it is very important you find and befriend a bulldog knowledgeable Veterinary Surgeon before entrusting your precious friend for an operation.

Insuring is a wise precaution as any treatments are likely to be expensive.

Daily Care
So if you have bought your bulldog this is your daily care......

A quick rub down with a hound glove to remove that moulting and give the coat a shine
Washing with a damp cloth the wrinkles of the face, putting a cream in them ( a nappy rash type ) or putting baby talc or chalk in to dry them.
Wash under the tail if its tight fitting to the body and cream this.. this is very important as this area if neglected can cause so much pain to your dog it can completely change its character. and in severe cases require the tail to be surgically removed.
A regular walk, good diet as recommended by your puppies breeder.

Finding your bulldog
If you want to buy a healthy puppy from a breeder who will support you with problems as they arise whilst you are learning about the breed , look around for your local dog shows go and look at the dogs and speak to the exhibitors, try not to buy from anyone who doesn't show you the mother and make sure it is not a crossbred puppy.

Having said most of the downside reasons in bulldogs may I just say that they are wonderful to live with, and once you have owned one you will be totally captivated by the nature of these very special dogs.
Old 25 May 2004, 12:59 AM
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Also worth remembering that as the the owner of the sire to a litter, should any pups not sell or be returned then you may end up with the expense of keeping that pup yourself.

An example of an agreement that bulldog breeders use...

STUD AGREEMENT


We, Mr & Mrs. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
of . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Telephone number. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Agree with Ms J & Miss S Lamont of (address) that any puppies resulting from the mating on . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . between our bitch ,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (who is at least 12 months old) and your stud dog. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .will not be sent to their new homes prior to the age of eight weeks. Any puppies going to new homes will have been checked by a vet to state they are in good health, if in any doubt at point of sale. They will be covered with free pet insurance for a minimum of six weeks from organisations like Petplan or the Kennel Club. Buyers will be carefully vetted for suitability and will be asked to sign a contract which will indicate when the puppy was last wormed. approx weight on date of sale , a picture or description of the puppy .That puppies are sold primarily as pets and companions for life. That the buyer agrees to insure the dog throughout its life and if possible have it micro-chipped. That the puppy is not an investment in any financial sense as its value to other potential owners depreciates exponentially with every day it gets older.

That the Kennel Club registration certificate will be endorsed “not for export ” and new owner is made aware of this, unless it is an overseas buyer (who must collect the pup in person). The buyer should also agree that should circumstances change the puppy will not be sold on, but returned to the breeders for re-homing. That the puppy is taken to the buyers vet within two working days for it to be checked and if found to be in any way unsuitable to be returned for a full refund. The contract must indicate that the pup is to be house and lead trained and advice given on how this is done. A full diet sheet is to accompany each pup and buyers are to be encouraged to buy and read a book on Bulldogs e.g. The Pet Owners Guide to the Bulldog by Judith Daws. The buyers of a bitch puppy must agree not to breed her before the minimum age of 12 months and at maximum limit her to three litters in her lifetime.
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