weapon69

This is a link which i have just read although i'm sure alot of people have seen it already. Seems incredible what these people can do now total respect to them

http://www.members.tripod.com/~joseromia/samuel.html

p.s don't look if you get queasy at the sight of blood!

LC Geezer

Shame all that skill goes to waste when MRSA (superbug) kills the patients soon afterwards.

Leslie

I agree with you Weapon, I'll always be grateful to them.

Les

TopBanana

That's incredible!

Brendan Hughes

Impressive feat of medicine.

Sorry to hear it's used as anti-abortion propaganda.

Jamo

iTrader: (23)

thats an amazing picture!! ive never seen anything like that b4 in my life wow!

sorry for posting it but how can anyone fail to want to see that?

jamo

imlach

That's a very glib statement to make

As with everything, the rubbish written about in the press about MRSA is beyond belief. For instance, did you know that a lot of you carry MSSA on your skin. Do also remember that in a hospital, a lot of patients are immuno-compromised, and prone to picking up infections, no matter how good the infection control.

However, that's not to say things could not be improved, but MRSA is not something that is as black & white as 'dirty hospitals'.

GC8

This picture may indeed be used by anti-abortion protesters; but when you realise that a foetus of this age can still be legally aborted, surely it makes you reconsider your opinion? Im not anti-abortion, quite the opposite, but this is a compelling arguement for limiting abortions to a far shorter term, in my opinion.

Simon

LC Geezer

Imlach - it is indeed glib. Just smarting a bit from two friends who have just lost parents after contracting MRSA after surgery. A quick look at the hopsital ward in both cases was stomach churning (i.e. disgustingly filthy).

TopBanana

Yep, they just don't have enough nurses to keep the places clean

logiclee

Most hospitals have private firms to do the cleaning. I'm at hospital twice a week now afer my heartattack, most of the time they stand around talking to one another.
The Cardiac Ward I was on was first class though. The Specialist nurse who looked after me a guy named Tony was amazing in his skill and knowledge. He still needed the Junior Doctor to sign things up etc, but he was telling the doctors what drugs and treatment was needed.
His normal shift was thirteen hours but he was usually there around fifteen and on one day did a 26 hour shift.

Total respect for what they are paid.

Lee

imlach

Sorry to hear of your friend's losses.

Obviously all cases are different, but post-operative infection is often not caused by a dirty ward. The floor may be dirty, but unless the patient was to lie on the floor and roll around in it, it wouldn't cause a problem. Similar with most other dirty areas.

One cause of infection is cross-patient - ie, people not washing their hands between patients etc. Even then, not necessarily the cause. Patient can have MSSA before....something like 2/3 of us healthy people have it on our skin.

It is FAR too easy to blame MRSA on dirty hospitals. This is not necessarily true.

damian666

Admittedly, it is amazing.

However, the baby is not conscious, nor is it aware. Neither is it able to grip the surgeons hand.

I quote Snopes:
"Just as surgeon Dr. Joseph Bruner was closing the incision in Julie Armas' uterus, Samuel's thumbnail-sized hand flopped out. Bruner lifted it gently and tucked it back in."

That is all.

Damo

Leslie

I had the same experience as logiclee except that the wards where I was were pretty clean and the supporting staff at the hospital were very good as were the nurses of course.

All the cardiac staff did the best they could for all the patients.

Les

Franx

The only hospitals I've been in, was one in Liverpool, which doesn't exist any more, and the Aberdeen RI, both of which were very good, in every way.

All doctors have a difficult job, as they're effectively trying to meet the government's targets of money, waiting lists, and treatment, in hospitals that are neither big enough, nor well kept. Some of it's down to the cleaning companies - which often don't give a stuff about the place itself, as it's not them that have to work there. Under the previous scheme, the hospitals were cleaned by hospital-only cleaners, so they'd want it to be clean, as much as possible.

Cardiac surgeons?
They get my respect as well.
Although me Dad's one, so I probably would say that

I do admire the work that they do though. It's not always seen, except on the odd programme on tv, like those a few months ago, and we don't really appreciate what they get up to, or where the money goes etc, until you see things like that.

weapon69

I've been in a few different hospitals and the best one was Southampton General. The one i was in before Christmas and where i am due to give birth later in the year is no better than a bl00dy bomb shelter With nurses that match that sort of poor description

Some NHS hospitals are great and some (like the one i'm going to) just drag the whole system down. lol cracked me up when i saw this one payphone on a little trolley being dragged around

imlach

I'll give you one piece of advice if you are unlucky enough to be a patient in ANY hospital, be it clean OR dirty - it doesn't matter.

Every time a nurse/doctor/anyone else wants to examine you, insist they wash their hands before they do. They won't be offended (well, some might, but the guidelines state they must wash their hands between every patient).

This is one of the highest risk areas of cross-infection. The floor and walls can be dirty as ****, but you won't be picking up MRSA from the wall or floor.

Therefore, seeing a clean ward is in some ways bad. It lulls you into a false sense of safety. "Oh, the ward is clean, therefore I won't get MRSA". Sadly not. Remember, MRSA is invisible

It reminds me of a great psychology experiment. People were sat down at a table, and on the table were a loo brush holder, and a cup. The loo brush holder was brand new (and people could see it being unwrapped) and contained Lemonade. The cup was covered in invisible bacteria/horrid stuff and also contained Lemonade. When asked which vessel they would choose to drink out of, guess which most people chose....

It's similar to people judging whether to use condoms or not based on how "clean/safe" the person looks.

Another story from hospitals. If a patient is known to have HIV/AIDS, the staff always take ALL the precautions they can to prevent cross-infection. Gloves, washing hands, eye & face protection, etc.

However, given a lot of patients arrive in hospital without HIV tests, they should be assuming EVERY patient has an infectious issue. Sadly, they don't.

See how easy it is? That's where the problem lies - not with a dirty floor or wall.

john banks

88% of abortions in England and Wales in 2000 were carried out before 13 weeks gestation.

Gastro

MRSA occurs because people are more clean (and use of antibiotics) - washing hands will reduce transmission no doubt. But the reason why its around is because its been selected for by antibiotics, increased cleaning etc so the more resistant bugs gets selected in preference to your run of the mill ones.....

Post operative infection can occur with any bug (as Imlach has said).

Gastro

imlach

Yes, people's (ab)use of anitbiotics has also played its part.

1) over-dispensing of them by GPs.

2) people not taking the full course of tablets. If people are given a 10 days course of antibiotics, they may feel fine after 3 days, and ditch the rest. However, if the bug has not been killed off 100% by that time, its resistance to that antibiotic can be established more readily. Which is why it is important to always take your full course of antibiotics

New antibiotics have to be developed all the time to counter the new resistant bugs - the bugs are winning the race.

DocJock

W69

That wouldn't be the Princess Anne would it ?

If it is, given my wifes experiences there, I would strongly recommend asking your GP about the possibilities of going to a local birthing centre instead.

weapon69

I've heard some very 'interesting' stories about that place

logiclee

The standard of treatment can differ inside the same hospital.

My wife was in the Dukeries section of Kings Mill Hospital in Mansfield, the whole place was dirty, staff couldn't give a toss, drugs given at any time of day as was the food and drink. She was in for 7 weeks and I had to fight every one of those days to get her the correct treatment and care. On one day an elderly patient had messed on the floor in the bathroom, they had tried to clean it up themselves but instead had managed to smear it all over the bath and walls. My wife wasn't far away from the bathroom and the smell was awefull. The day shift left it six hours and I heard them tell the night shift it had just happened. One nurse who seemed to be OK asked us to write into the hospitals management to complain as it was the worse place she had ever worked.

On the other hand like I posted earlier, I was in the Cardiac ward in a different part of the same hospital, the ward and general area of that part of the hospital was spotless and the care was first class. I couldn't have asked for anymore if I'd gone private.
The only down side has been the waiting list since I've come home. I couldn't get to see my consultant as an outpatient for six months. In the last 8 weeks I've seen him three times and had an exercise ECG and Echocardiagram privately at a cost of over £700

Lee

weapon69

Pembury hospital in TW is undergoing refurbishment on the labour ward apparently but its still awful in there(hospital in general)-tempted to say oh i'll stay at home thanks

logiclee

Have you talked about a home birth?

Some areas do offer it.

Lee

weapon69

Yeah my midwife attends home births all the time. But i'm classed as high risk

While we're on the subject, has anyone got a good report on Bournemouth and Poole Hospital?

weapon69

ahh yes, meant to tell you about that