Jiu Jitsu Vs Muay Thai
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15 January 2005, 10:10 PM
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si- if you are seriously considering this.
bear in mind that JJ/BJJ often has a very very strong groundfighting element involved.. I just wouldnt want to be on the ground with broken glass/people trying to dance on my head
Great for control and manipulation though..
however both your suggestions are only as good/useful as the quality/ability of the person using it as it was intended.
the video link above is of a style I have not had the chance to 'touch hands' with, its certainly very different from the style/family of wing chun that I 'practise'.
There is MASSIVE variation in interpretation out there of ALL styles of martial art.
Some will appear more applicable to an individual than others.. if it works for YOU then cool; go for it and do your best (or why waste your time?)
check out recent thai movie ONG BAK (martial arts movie) for some really stunning muay thai (admittedly some of it is MEGA OTT, but the actual muay thai the guy is doing is stunning.)
The thai method of muay thai is often very different to western based styles I have seen. There are also many 'sub' styles of muay thai.
Often what you see in western gyms/kwoons bears no relation.
If the choice was for me of the above two; The thai method would be my personal choice due to the sheer viciousness of it.
vicious= more effective often enough. why hit a guy super hard with all your effort on ONE place and MAYBE connect and do damage when you can hit him three times guaranteed with less anger fuelled blows and incapacitate/remove him from the equation?
I Personally- another vote for wing chun (seriously)
but then I'm biased- www.wingchun.co.uk -senior instructor is my own 'sifu' (teacher- in cantonese)
This is mainland hong kong style that suits both my physical and mental makeup.
if you are bulging with muscles and aggression then maybe muay thai is your best bet.
Jui Jitsu will just be painful for you as a 90 pound weakling locks and makes you submit for the first 3 years
bear in mind that JJ/BJJ often has a very very strong groundfighting element involved.. I just wouldnt want to be on the ground with broken glass/people trying to dance on my head
Great for control and manipulation though.. however both your suggestions are only as good/useful as the quality/ability of the person using it as it was intended.
the video link above is of a style I have not had the chance to 'touch hands' with, its certainly very different from the style/family of wing chun that I 'practise'.
There is MASSIVE variation in interpretation out there of ALL styles of martial art.
Some will appear more applicable to an individual than others.. if it works for YOU then cool; go for it and do your best (or why waste your time?)
check out recent thai movie ONG BAK (martial arts movie) for some really stunning muay thai (admittedly some of it is MEGA OTT, but the actual muay thai the guy is doing is stunning.)
The thai method of muay thai is often very different to western based styles I have seen. There are also many 'sub' styles of muay thai.
Often what you see in western gyms/kwoons bears no relation.
If the choice was for me of the above two; The thai method would be my personal choice due to the sheer viciousness of it.
vicious= more effective often enough. why hit a guy super hard with all your effort on ONE place and MAYBE connect and do damage when you can hit him three times guaranteed with less anger fuelled blows and incapacitate/remove him from the equation?
I Personally- another vote for wing chun (seriously)
but then I'm biased- www.wingchun.co.uk -senior instructor is my own 'sifu' (teacher- in cantonese)
This is mainland hong kong style that suits both my physical and mental makeup.
if you are bulging with muscles and aggression
then maybe muay thai is your best bet. Jui Jitsu will just be painful for you as a 90 pound weakling locks and makes you submit for the first 3 years
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15 January 2005, 10:37 PM
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I did 3 years' Jiu Jitsu - great for self defence and general fitness. I believe the complete syllabus is amongst the widest of any of the martial arts.
15 January 2005, 10:49 PM
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oh, and that video- after watching the 'combat' sections - they seem to have missed the point entirely IMO with the head kicking while the guy s down and the slappy looking "chain" punches (toilet chain? )
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15 January 2005, 10:53 PM
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The style in the video i posted (which i swiped from another BBS) is aparently taught in the anchient way unlike many other martial arts and focuses not on defense but causing as much damage to the oponent as posible.
15 January 2005, 11:04 PM
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i cant what real damage those slaps would do 
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and the kicks- well- the way he did them little power to them and looked more like someone trying to clean **** off his shoes amazed he did most of that really.. looks like a junior student leading the pack to me.
I'd get a f'ing hiding from sifu if I had done that in a video and put it on the net!!! LOL talk about giving the system a bad name!!!
im aware of the 'cause as much damage as possible' maxim, and to me that guy is wasting a LOT of time and unnessesary effort and wasted energy. but hey its only a BBS
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only kidding!
In all seriousness; I'm sure Si will find something to his taste
.. and the kicks- well- the way he did them little power to them and looked more like someone trying to clean **** off his shoes
amazed he did most of that really.. looks like a junior student leading the pack to me.I'd get a f'ing hiding from sifu if I had done that in a video and put it on the net!!! LOL talk about giving the system a bad name!!!
im aware of the 'cause as much damage as possible' maxim, and to me that guy is wasting a LOT of time and unnessesary effort and wasted energy. but hey its only a BBS
giz a hug
PMSL only kidding!
In all seriousness; I'm sure Si will find something to his taste
16 January 2005, 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by chrome
i cant what real damage those slaps would do ..
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Originally Posted by chrome
looks like a junior student leading the pack to me
I'd get a f'ing hiding from sifu if I had done that in a video and put it on the net!!! LOL talk about giving the system a bad name!!!.
I'd get a f'ing hiding from sifu if I had done that in a video and put it on the net!!! LOL talk about giving the system a bad name!!!
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Mark (300 hrs experience of wing chun)
P.S. recommend http://www.wtdefence.com/. Kernspect has to be seen to be believed..!
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16 January 2005, 09:58 AM
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warren-
chain punching is one of my pet hates. there are so many other more efficient ways (and more damaging ways) to deal with a target.
chain punching is a lazy answer to a 'problem'. IMO.
LOADS of wasted personal effort for little comparative result.
(and wing chun is after all about economy of motion and energy saving)
Anyway- I would never use chain punches on a target on the ground. (there are much better things to use)
when i was referring to giving the system a bad name- I was inferring more that he also made the concepts of wing chun look terrible.. he was all sloppy technique and no control (which is what Wing Chun is largely about; self control).
Plus the attacks by the students looked very very poor..
Agreed about kernspect, the leung ting system is an interesting one......
Nikko- I have a long term wing chun associate (who in his late 60's) in OZ who 'worked' with some mossad guys in the past.
he always maintained that what made krav maga so dangerous was the mental approach of the guys teaching it, and the intention that it was used with 'in the field'. (ie: to kill as fast as possible)
Brad (7 years of wing chun training)
chain punching is one of my pet hates. there are so many other more efficient ways (and more damaging ways) to deal with a target.
chain punching is a lazy answer to a 'problem'. IMO.
LOADS of wasted personal effort for little comparative result.
(and wing chun is after all about economy of motion and energy saving)
Anyway- I would never use chain punches on a target on the ground. (there are much better things to use
)when i was referring to giving the system a bad name- I was inferring more that he also made the concepts of wing chun look terrible.. he was all sloppy technique and no control (which is what Wing Chun is largely about; self control).
Plus the attacks by the students looked very very poor..
Agreed about kernspect, the leung ting system is an interesting one......
Nikko- I have a long term wing chun associate (who in his late 60's) in OZ who 'worked' with some mossad guys in the past.
he always maintained that what made krav maga so dangerous was the mental approach of the guys teaching it, and the intention that it was used with 'in the field'. (ie: to kill as fast as possible)
Brad (7 years of wing chun training)
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16 January 2005, 10:04 AM
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You can try my Wu-Tang style if you like
On a serious note, I did a bit of boxing and kickboxing training whn younger as my old man used to box. He'd never let me do it properly when I was younger so set up a bag / floor to ceiling ball / speedball in the garage. Such hard work but quite rewarding. I don't think much of kickboxing as a method of self defence, but boxing is pretty effective in its own right.
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On a serious note, I did a bit of boxing and kickboxing training whn younger as my old man used to box. He'd never let me do it properly when I was younger so set up a bag / floor to ceiling ball / speedball in the garage. Such hard work but quite rewarding. I don't think much of kickboxing as a method of self defence, but boxing is pretty effective in its own right.
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If the above 2 are your only options, then it really comes down to what you are looking for from your chosen art.
If you are mainly interested in self-defence for street use, then JJ is probably more effective. However, if the numbers are uneven, then it may no be quite so effective.
Take the UFC "circus" for example...... for years now, Jui Jitsu has massively dominated the event, no matter what Art the opponent practises. It is hugely effectife in take downs, ground techniques and submission holds, but if you are outnumbered, then what good is it lying on your back grappling with one person whilst three more play penalty kicks with your head?
In this scenario, I'd prefer Muay Thai, where you can stand toe-to-toe and scrap it out!
If its just a hobby, or bit of sport you are after then either art will probably prove extremely satisfying once you start progressing.
I've practised ITF TKD for 16 years, so I am a tad biased though!
If you are mainly interested in self-defence for street use, then JJ is probably more effective. However, if the numbers are uneven, then it may no be quite so effective.
Take the UFC "circus" for example...... for years now, Jui Jitsu has massively dominated the event, no matter what Art the opponent practises. It is hugely effectife in take downs, ground techniques and submission holds, but if you are outnumbered, then what good is it lying on your back grappling with one person whilst three more play penalty kicks with your head?
In this scenario, I'd prefer Muay Thai, where you can stand toe-to-toe and scrap it out!
If its just a hobby, or bit of sport you are after then either art will probably prove extremely satisfying once you start progressing.
I've practised ITF TKD for 16 years, so I am a tad biased though!
16 January 2005, 01:48 PM
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Do both you will get the best combination. Kick, punches and elbows from the Thai boxing and throws, locks, chokes and ground control with Ju jitsu...do Brazilian JJ its better as far as I know. Krav Maga defo give it a go..specific defence against knifes, guns etc.
16 January 2005, 02:24 PM
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if you want to lean how to fight and make that dirty fighting then it muay thai all the way. i can be quite brutal but you do get a good work out. as for a self defence its prob not so much of a deffence as it tends to be more focused on attack, but then again most of the street fights i've seen the bloke on the floor has'nt got up, generaly getting stamped jumped on
so i can't see how ground work can be effective. mauy thai does have some grapling but it involves being in a clintch, and if you can get hold of your apponant its quite deadly
and a quick video of Ernesto Hoost bad ***
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i can be quite brutal but you do get a good work out. as for a self defence its prob not so much of a deffence as it tends to be more focused on attack, but then again most of the street fights i've seen the bloke on the floor has'nt got up, generaly getting stamped jumped on so i can't see how ground work can be effective. mauy thai does have some grapling but it involves being in a clintch, and if you can get hold of your apponant its quite deadlyand a quick video of Ernesto Hoost bad ***
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16 January 2005, 07:01 PM
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thai boxing everytime, done the black belt in karate thing and done thia boxing for 12 years and its much more fun, its much more basic and you dont do any belts or anything but its better fitness wise, its gonna be no good for you though fat boy as thai boxing will make you lose weight and fat boys cant punch right as they are too muscle bound so they have a shorter reach plus jui jitsuiis more about locks and using the oponents weight to counter attack
plus jui jitsuiis more about locks and using the oponents weight to counter attack
16 January 2005, 11:05 PM
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yea i've seen one his videos called the 30 or 3 second fighter, tells you about how to handle a situation on the street very interesting
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Originally Posted by Double D
watch that programme on bbc3 "something something,can't remember.......bad *** something???" it shows a lot of different styles
or get a gun
or get a gun
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