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We in Wales are just starting to get our bills in for next years Council tax.Councils have been saying for months that rise will be in line with inflation or lower.
Surprise, surprise then when we get our bills and see a rise of approx 22% on last years bill.
This is due to the Welsh assemblies revaluation of all houses in Wales. Of course house prices have risen sharply since the last bandings so what do they do?
They raise the banding of your house up a few bands taking you into a much higher priced band.
Is house price inflation taken into account? No it is not.
So therefore whereas last year I was paying just under 1K now I'm paying well over 1.2K
This revaluation is taking place in every English town from April this year
http://www.voa.gov.uk/council_tax/ct...tion-nov04.htm
with the new tax being implemented from April 2007.
Just another reason not to trust New Labour if you ask me.
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Surprise, surprise then when we get our bills and see a rise of approx 22% on last years bill.
This is due to the Welsh assemblies revaluation of all houses in Wales. Of course house prices have risen sharply since the last bandings so what do they do?
They raise the banding of your house up a few bands taking you into a much higher priced band.
Is house price inflation taken into account? No it is not.
So therefore whereas last year I was paying just under 1K now I'm paying well over 1.2K
This revaluation is taking place in every English town from April this year
http://www.voa.gov.uk/council_tax/ct...tion-nov04.htm
with the new tax being implemented from April 2007.
Just another reason not to trust New Labour if you ask me.
Chip
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Wales are slowly catching up with other areas of the uk such as not so far away Newbury as far as house prices are concerned, !
Originally Posted by Chip
We in Wales are just starting to get our bills in for next years Council tax.Councils have been saying for months that rise will be in line with inflation or lower.
Surprise, surprise then when we get our bills and see a rise of approx 22% on last years bill.
This is due to the Welsh assemblies revaluation of all houses in Wales. Of course house prices have risen sharply since the last bandings so what do they do?
They raise the banding of your house up a few bands taking you into a much higher priced band.
Is house price inflation taken into account? No it is not.
So therefore whereas last year I was paying just under 1K now I'm paying well over 1.2K
This revaluation is taking place in every English town from April this year
http://www.voa.gov.uk/council_tax/ct...tion-nov04.htm
with the new tax being implemented from April 2007.
Just another reason not to trust New Labour if you ask me.
Chip
Surprise, surprise then when we get our bills and see a rise of approx 22% on last years bill.
This is due to the Welsh assemblies revaluation of all houses in Wales. Of course house prices have risen sharply since the last bandings so what do they do?
They raise the banding of your house up a few bands taking you into a much higher priced band.
Is house price inflation taken into account? No it is not.
So therefore whereas last year I was paying just under 1K now I'm paying well over 1.2K
This revaluation is taking place in every English town from April this year
http://www.voa.gov.uk/council_tax/ct...tion-nov04.htm
with the new tax being implemented from April 2007.
Just another reason not to trust New Labour if you ask me.
Chip
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I'll never vote labia or for MR B.liars band of highwaymen, but the problem is no matter who gets in power next, non of the new or raised taxes will be reduced.. The new ones will just coin in the cash & blame the old lot.
sad state of affairs, I'd love to be able to leave this once great country but the government have made it impossible to do as they take all my brass
FCKUING SCUMBAGS
sad state of affairs, I'd love to be able to leave this once great country but the government have made it impossible to do as they take all my brass
FCKUING SCUMBAGS
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I'd love to be able to leave this once great country but the government have made it impossible to do as they take all my brass
FCKUING SCUMBAGS
FCKUING SCUMBAGS
So in other words you'd rather just stay here and moan and blame the government for your own failures, and lack of initiative to get off your own ar$e and do something.
Pathetic really.
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Its quite amusing that you consider me a failure Gary , what exactly is a failure in your eyes ?
I have 2 very healthy companies that I built up from scratch a nice home and nice cars.
The problem is , that no matter how hard you work or how hard you try to become successfull, theres always the people in suits that will try to make it even harder for you to succeed
The assumption that I'd rather stay here and moan is bollox , I'm sure a lot of people would love to move away from this tax strangled country ,but its very hard if not impossible to do when you have commitments.As soon as I retire , hopefully at about 45 , I'll definately be leaving and at the moment I'm making plans to do so by buying property abroad
But it seems you know a lot about me already and dont need me to tell you
I have 2 very healthy companies that I built up from scratch a nice home and nice cars.
The problem is , that no matter how hard you work or how hard you try to become successfull, theres always the people in suits that will try to make it even harder for you to succeed
The assumption that I'd rather stay here and moan is bollox , I'm sure a lot of people would love to move away from this tax strangled country ,but its very hard if not impossible to do when you have commitments.As soon as I retire , hopefully at about 45 , I'll definately be leaving and at the moment I'm making plans to do so by buying property abroad
But it seems you know a lot about me already and dont need me to tell you
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The Conservatives are the ones who reduced income tax after the previous Labour government. Dont see why they would not reduce taxation once they have got rid of the gross waste induced by the vast bureaucracy built up by the present bunch of incompetemt self seekers.
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Originally Posted by Leslie
The Conservatives are the ones who reduced income tax after the previous Labour government. Dont see why they would not reduce taxation once they have got rid of the gross waste induced by the vast bureaucracy built up by the present bunch of incompetemt self seekers.
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p.s. yes they did reduce income tax, but they also reduced public services etc as well, so they didn't have as much to pay for.
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Some areas have improved, and some haven't. I'm not saying Labour have done a good job, I just fail to see why anyone would thing the cons would do any better. Both as bad as each other in my book.
A simplified view I know, but at the the end of the day, there is a certain amount of stuff to be paid for, which comes out of a bug pot of money which we pay into with our taxes etc. If taxes are reduced, then there is less money to pay for stuff. Simple economics.
It's interesting that Howard is saying that he wants to reduce taxes, give big concessions on council tax to pensioners, increase funding to the health service, schools, police etc, but I have not been able to find out from anyone (including my local tory mp), just how they're going to pay for it.
Reducing taxes, but increasing spending....hmmmm how does that work then unless you're going to stealthily cut some services...
A simplified view I know, but at the the end of the day, there is a certain amount of stuff to be paid for, which comes out of a bug pot of money which we pay into with our taxes etc. If taxes are reduced, then there is less money to pay for stuff. Simple economics.
It's interesting that Howard is saying that he wants to reduce taxes, give big concessions on council tax to pensioners, increase funding to the health service, schools, police etc, but I have not been able to find out from anyone (including my local tory mp), just how they're going to pay for it.
Reducing taxes, but increasing spending....hmmmm how does that work then unless you're going to stealthily cut some services...
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Originally Posted by Chip
Is house price inflation taken into account? No it is not.
So therefore whereas last year I was paying just under 1K now I'm paying well over 1.2K
So therefore whereas last year I was paying just under 1K now I'm paying well over 1.2K
That means I would jump several bands if inflation hadn't been taken into account.
If this is what is going to happen we might see the return of Poll Tax riots!
But maybe house prices in Wales have risen more than the UK average and therefore need re-aligning upwards. In which case, areas that already had high house prices might get lower bands than before if their prices haven't risen as much.
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Originally Posted by DarkStar66
By how much have house prices gone up in Wales? I live in south east england and the value of my flat has more than doubled since I bought it 12 years ago.
That means I would jump several bands if inflation hadn't been taken into account.
If this is what is going to happen we might see the return of Poll Tax riots!
That means I would jump several bands if inflation hadn't been taken into account.
If this is what is going to happen we might see the return of Poll Tax riots!
The banding ranges go up as well.
e.g. if you were in band D before, chances are you'll still be in band D when the revaluations are done.
Some places may go up or down a band if the value has significantly shifted in relation to the market averages.
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
Some places may go up or down a band if the value has significantly shifted in relation to the market averages.
Great minds...
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Originally Posted by Iain Young
Reducing taxes, but increasing spending....hmmmm how does that work then unless you're going to stealthily cut some services...
Increasing the efficiency the money is spent. Just because you throw money at something doesn't mean that area is going to improve. 7 years and they still don't get it!
An example of Labours spending attitude of taxpayers money can be seen by the waste of the DTI (Patricia Hewitt). Since 2001 she has spent over £120,000 on pot plants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I saw this on TV several months ago, thought you wouldn't believe me so did a google search.
http://www.opinion.telegraph.co.uk/o...ixopinion.html
FFS this is tax payers money! My office is grey and drab theres should be as well.
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True, but that sort of wastage was also very common in the last conservative government as well. You'd be surprised at the things that our local Conservative run council wastes money on while there are other much more worthy projects that the money could be spent on.
I'd agree with you in an ideal world, but unfortunately we don't live in one. I think it's pretty naive to think the cons will be any different to labour. They'll just waste the money in different ways. Also, I very much doubt that the amount of money that the cons are planning to plough into these initiatives could be obtained simply by making efficiency drives. The politicians I've talked to have got to be some of the most innefficient people I've ever met...
Btw, Howard said he was going to improve the police force / schools etc by throwing more money at them.... Sounds like he should listen to you
I'd agree with you in an ideal world, but unfortunately we don't live in one. I think it's pretty naive to think the cons will be any different to labour. They'll just waste the money in different ways. Also, I very much doubt that the amount of money that the cons are planning to plough into these initiatives could be obtained simply by making efficiency drives. The politicians I've talked to have got to be some of the most innefficient people I've ever met...
Btw, Howard said he was going to improve the police force / schools etc by throwing more money at them.... Sounds like he should listen to you
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Just had my notification for Council tax 05/06 and it is a huge £858.30 for the year an increase of 4.9% over last year Now I personally think that this is way to much for where I live I don't live in the best area by anyones stretch of their imagination. Saying that I don't think I should complain too much as my exemption relief amounts to £858.30! So I will be paying £0.00 to the Council Now thats what I call a fair contribution for the local services I receive...
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Originally Posted by Iain Young
True, but that sort of wastage was also very common in the last conservative government as well. You'd be surprised at the things that our local Conservative run council wastes money on while there are other much more worthy projects that the money could be spent on.
I'd agree with you in an ideal world, but unfortunately we don't live in one. I think it's pretty naive to think the cons will be any different to labour. They'll just waste the money in different ways. Also, I very much doubt that the amount of money that the cons are planning to plough into these initiatives could be obtained simply by making efficiency drives. The politicians I've talked to have got to be some of the most innefficient people I've ever met...
Btw, Howard said he was going to improve the police force / schools etc by throwing more money at them.... Sounds like he should listen to you
I'd agree with you in an ideal world, but unfortunately we don't live in one. I think it's pretty naive to think the cons will be any different to labour. They'll just waste the money in different ways. Also, I very much doubt that the amount of money that the cons are planning to plough into these initiatives could be obtained simply by making efficiency drives. The politicians I've talked to have got to be some of the most innefficient people I've ever met...
Btw, Howard said he was going to improve the police force / schools etc by throwing more money at them.... Sounds like he should listen to you
The conservatives do have different principle and as such would look at different thing to pusue. Knife violence, gun culture instead of lowering the age of buggery and fox hunting.
As I say they medal in areas of our life that they shouldn't, this cost a lot of money.
I listened to him this morning as well, and he din't say it in the way you represent it. He said that they would be able to spend more directly where it is needed BY cutting out the waste.
Each to there own I suppose.
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Originally Posted by VTEC to Turbo
You'll have to show me their flower bill to believe you! Maggie had more ***** than Blair! Tarting up an office with flowers/plants not really her thing. Labours lesbian (Ms Hewitt) bregade on the other hand do.
The conservatives do have different principle and as such would look at different thing to pusue. Knife violence, gun culture instead of lowering the age of buggery and fox hunting. As I say they medal in areas of our life that they shouldn't, this cost a lot of money.
Another example... We have a rapidly aging population, with a very large percentage at or approaching retirement age. Yet, Howard says he wants to give these people benefits to reduce their council tax payments. Whose going to end up paying for it? All the young people currently in work that's who. I'm expecting my taxes to increase significantly under the conservatives.
I listened to him this morning as well, and he din't say it in the way you represent it. He said that they would be able to spend more directly where it is needed BY cutting out the waste.
Each to there own I suppose.
Each to there own I suppose.
As I've said before, I don't trust either labour or the conservatives one little bit when they make these promises. Whatever they do, someone somewhere is going to suffer.
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I have had my con mp round and gave him a grilling a couple of weeks back, he was after a donation and some poeple to sign up for campainging not my bag at all.
When I asked him about how they planned to get the taxes down reduce debt and without screwing things like the nhs even more. and he quoted some frightening figures.
he reckons there are over 3000 civil servants basically job sharing as there are to many of them. And he also said when people are bored they come up with even more crackpot ways of spending public money.
£1.6 million was spent on intergovernment magazines and flyers !!!. 30 million on scrapped IT projects. get this 600k on planting and frsh flowers for government offices. he had a big list and was laughing reading some of the stuff out as it was so absurd. he reckons they knew straight away how to save 600 million off the cuff without any real affect on public services.
he also gave me a letter signed by Micheal Howard ok it was a photocopy, of what they plan to do and within what time frame of completing items in their manifesto. including cost cutting. and if they didnt do it he would be held personally responsible. This rung very true in my eyes, im sick of all the promises and no accountablity lies and denial of the labour party. i agree tory might not be any better but isnt it worth a try ?.
i did ask what would happen too Mr Howard if he fell short, and suggested being tied to a lampost and shot with paintball guns. but he didnt give me a straight answer. (ie im guessing he didnt know or knew it was bugger all).
When I asked him about how they planned to get the taxes down reduce debt and without screwing things like the nhs even more. and he quoted some frightening figures.
he reckons there are over 3000 civil servants basically job sharing as there are to many of them. And he also said when people are bored they come up with even more crackpot ways of spending public money.
£1.6 million was spent on intergovernment magazines and flyers !!!. 30 million on scrapped IT projects. get this 600k on planting and frsh flowers for government offices. he had a big list and was laughing reading some of the stuff out as it was so absurd. he reckons they knew straight away how to save 600 million off the cuff without any real affect on public services.
he also gave me a letter signed by Micheal Howard ok it was a photocopy, of what they plan to do and within what time frame of completing items in their manifesto. including cost cutting. and if they didnt do it he would be held personally responsible. This rung very true in my eyes, im sick of all the promises and no accountablity lies and denial of the labour party. i agree tory might not be any better but isnt it worth a try ?.
i did ask what would happen too Mr Howard if he fell short, and suggested being tied to a lampost and shot with paintball guns. but he didnt give me a straight answer. (ie im guessing he didnt know or knew it was bugger all).
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It's very easy to quote figures and say what is wrong with the system. What I've failed to see so far is any real hard evidence of how either Labour or the Conservatives are going to fix it.
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well i guess spending 100k's on flowers is easy to fix, you dont buy flowers. I agree the majority is very unclear and i cant see that ever changing.
My own personall opinion is the longer labour stay in power the more slowly we will be screwed and the longer and longer it will take for someone else to put things right.
Whether a change in leadership is any better or not i dont know, change for the sake of change will do nothing. But maybe a definite change will be better than knowing we are being screwed and accepting it.
My own personall opinion is the longer labour stay in power the more slowly we will be screwed and the longer and longer it will take for someone else to put things right.
Whether a change in leadership is any better or not i dont know, change for the sake of change will do nothing. But maybe a definite change will be better than knowing we are being screwed and accepting it.
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Originally Posted by pbee
well i guess spending 100k's on flowers is easy to fix, you dont buy flowers. I agree the majority is very unclear and i cant see that ever changing.
Whether a change in leadership is any better or not i dont know, change for the sake of change will do nothing. But maybe a definite change will be better than knowing we are being screwed and accepting it.
At this point, I really have no idea which way to go, as they both seem like pretty poor options tbh...
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At this point, I really have no idea which way to go, as they both seem like pretty poor options tbh...
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Originally Posted by Iain Young
So do the conservatives. Re the fox hunting debate, there wwere a great deal of conservatives that voted for the ban, and there were a load of labour party members who voted against it. That's not really a party specific thing.
Originally Posted by Iain Young
Another example... We have a rapidly aging population, with a very large percentage at or approaching retirement age. Yet, Howard says he wants to give these people benefits to reduce their council tax payments. Whose going to end up paying for it? All the young people currently in work that's who. I'm expecting my taxes to increase significantly under the conservatives.
Does the fact that Brown is taxing private pensions mean nothing to you? This is far more detremental to the pension system than anything else ever done before by one person. Brown has single handedly destroyed private pensions, but the effects will not be felt for years to come.
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And why is this bad? Labour have actually stollen a this idea off the Cons and put it in there budget.
So your're saying that people who have worked all their lives, built up good pensions and savings, should now also get loads of benefits to make their coumncil tax cheap as well. Whereas, on the flipside, young people already can't get on the housing ladder because of the over-inflated prices, find it difficult to start savings and pensions etc now stand no chance because they are going to get taxed even mpore. How is that fair? When they get to retirement age, they'll have nothing.
Does the fact that Brown is taxing private pensions mean nothing to you? This is far more detremental to the pension system than anything else ever done before by one person. Brown has single handedly destroyed private pensions, but the effects will not be felt for years to come.
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Originally Posted by Iain Young
You are joking right?
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...445637,00.html
You are bang wrong mate. I am a first time buyer, I have a very small private pension and am struggling to make ends meet at the moment as I am still paying for my university education (4 years on).
Approx a 3rd of my salaray goes before I touch it and the majority of what is left gets taxed when I get chance to spend it.
If I saw Blair in the street I would spit in his shoes for what he has done to this country.
I whole heartedly believe that as a nation those willing and able to do an honest days work would finacially be better off under a Conservative government.
Those that have done there hard work should get a few perks (£200 isn't a lot of mney in the grand scheme of things), we'll be there one day ourselves being paid for by the younger generation.
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Originally Posted by VTEC to Turbo
You are bang wrong mate. I am a first time buyer, I have a very small private pension and am struggling to make ends meet at the moment as I am still paying for my university education (4 years on).
Approx a 3rd of my salaray goes before I touch it and the majority of what is left gets taxed when I get chance to spend it.
If I saw Blair in the street I would spit in his shoes for what he has done to this country.
Approx a 3rd of my salaray goes before I touch it and the majority of what is left gets taxed when I get chance to spend it.
If I saw Blair in the street I would spit in his shoes for what he has done to this country.
I whole heartedly believe that as a nation those willing and able to do an honest days work would finacially be better off under a Conservative government.
Those that have done there hard work should get a few perks (£200 isn't a lot of mney in the grand scheme of things),
we'll be there one day ourselves being paid for by the younger generation.
Under this scheme the rich people get richer, and the poor people get poorer. Typical conservative policy.