Do people expect too much?
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Do people expect too much?
I briefly caught breakfast TV this morning and a familly, were being interviewed, the father works/ed at the Rover plant. The mother was the one doing most of the talking.
Now I appreciate being made redundant (or in this case the prospect of being made redundant) isn't pleasant, it happened to me 2 years ago. But this woman was complaining that the government should be doing more. "Why did the government let the company get in to this state?". "Yes the government were going to pay up to 2 years costs to re-train her husband, but who was going to pay the mortgage and the bills while that was happening??"
Seems to me that the government are being more than generous (with my tax money) as none of that was offered to me (and Rover is a private company), and she is still complaining. Do people expect the government to bail them out of everything? Why can't people actually make some provision and try and stand on their own 2 feet now and again?
Now I appreciate being made redundant (or in this case the prospect of being made redundant) isn't pleasant, it happened to me 2 years ago. But this woman was complaining that the government should be doing more. "Why did the government let the company get in to this state?". "Yes the government were going to pay up to 2 years costs to re-train her husband, but who was going to pay the mortgage and the bills while that was happening??"
Seems to me that the government are being more than generous (with my tax money) as none of that was offered to me (and Rover is a private company), and she is still complaining. Do people expect the government to bail them out of everything? Why can't people actually make some provision and try and stand on their own 2 feet now and again?
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I agree Olly. In fact I don't really see why the government should get involved at all. It's a private / public company (not state owned) and so has not really got anything to do with government.
Seems to me as though with trying to negotiate a deal, and offering to help retrain employees, they've already done more than should be expected...
Seems to me as though with trying to negotiate a deal, and offering to help retrain employees, they've already done more than should be expected...
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Originally Posted by Iain Young
I agree Olly. In fact I don't really see why the government should get involved at all. It's a private / public company (not state owned) and so has not really got anything to do with government.
Seems to me as though with trying to negotiate a deal, and offering to help retrain employees, they've already done more than should be expected...
Seems to me as though with trying to negotiate a deal, and offering to help retrain employees, they've already done more than should be expected...
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I have to agree but the fallout i.e. in dole payments will no doubt excide what the government is putting in at the moment
and of course there is a general election
Been made redundant twice now and never got a single penny from the governmet labour and conservative
and of course there is a general election
Been made redundant twice now and never got a single penny from the governmet labour and conservative
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Originally Posted by GaryScoobNCBR
the government get involved because otherwise they will have 7000 (not sure of figures) unemployed people on there hands and thats not good for anyone.
But i also see your point.
But i also see your point.
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I hate the way everyone expects to be supported by benefits of some kind for everything. I work hard to pay for what I have, and I would never expect anyone to bail me out if things went pear-shaped
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There was a statement on one of the News broadcasts that at the time Rover was given to the Phoenix 4 the other option was to Pay the Workers £30k each in redundancy and shut the thing down.
If they had done that then I'm sure the local economy would have had some sort of chance to recover - Flogging a dead horse springs to mind when it comes to how things have gone since then .
There is definately too much "The Government owes us" in this country in General - But I'd rather it came from a Rover employee than some fanny with 48 kids looking for hand-outs cos she wants to have more kids !
Didn't see the show this morning (some of us have to work for a living ) but I suspect the wife was simply worried about her future .
If they had done that then I'm sure the local economy would have had some sort of chance to recover - Flogging a dead horse springs to mind when it comes to how things have gone since then .
There is definately too much "The Government owes us" in this country in General - But I'd rather it came from a Rover employee than some fanny with 48 kids looking for hand-outs cos she wants to have more kids !
Didn't see the show this morning (some of us have to work for a living ) but I suspect the wife was simply worried about her future .
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Originally Posted by jasey
There was a statement on one of the News broadcasts that at the time Rover was given to the Phoenix 4 the other option was to Pay the Workers £30k each in redundancy and shut the thing down.
If they had done that then I'm sure the local economy would have had some sort of chance to recover - Flogging a dead horse springs to mind when it comes to how things have gone since then .
There is definately too much "The Government owes us" in this country in General - But I'd rather it came from a Rover employee than some fanny with 48 kids looking for hand-outs cos she wants to have more kids !
Didn't see the show this morning (some of us have to work for a living ) but I suspect the wife was simply worried about her future .
If they had done that then I'm sure the local economy would have had some sort of chance to recover - Flogging a dead horse springs to mind when it comes to how things have gone since then .
There is definately too much "The Government owes us" in this country in General - But I'd rather it came from a Rover employee than some fanny with 48 kids looking for hand-outs cos she wants to have more kids !
Didn't see the show this morning (some of us have to work for a living ) but I suspect the wife was simply worried about her future .
Yes, I am sure she was worried. I was concerned when the company I worked for entered a consultation period and I was told I was at risk. But rather than appearing on GMTV berating the governement (something I would normally be happy to do ) I dug out my redundancy cover policy and then got the local papers and looked for a job. OK I was lucky, I found a new job before I finished at the existing place so there was no break in my income, but I had made provision in case I hadn't been so lucky.
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Agree 100%
Im self employed- and I stick aside a load of cash in a seperate account to prepare for such times as i may be not working as regularly as i would like....
Whats the problem with other people doing it>? Laziness, and its too easy to get the old begging bowl out for another hand out.
Im self employed- and I stick aside a load of cash in a seperate account to prepare for such times as i may be not working as regularly as i would like....
Whats the problem with other people doing it>? Laziness, and its too easy to get the old begging bowl out for another hand out.
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Originally Posted by jasey
There was a statement on one of the News broadcasts that at the time Rover was given to the Phoenix 4 the other option was to Pay the Workers £30k each in redundancy and shut the thing down.
If they had done that then I'm sure the local economy would have had some sort of chance to recover - Flogging a dead horse springs to mind when it comes to how things have gone since then .
There is definately too much "The Government owes us" in this country in General - But I'd rather it came from a Rover employee than some fanny with 48 kids looking for hand-outs cos she wants to have more kids !
Didn't see the show this morning (some of us have to work for a living ) but I suspect the wife was simply worried about her future .
If they had done that then I'm sure the local economy would have had some sort of chance to recover - Flogging a dead horse springs to mind when it comes to how things have gone since then .
There is definately too much "The Government owes us" in this country in General - But I'd rather it came from a Rover employee than some fanny with 48 kids looking for hand-outs cos she wants to have more kids !
Didn't see the show this morning (some of us have to work for a living ) but I suspect the wife was simply worried about her future .
However, some big protests in Birmingham and suddenly the Phoenix 4 "bid" floats to the top. I believe the Government prefered the Phoenix 4 option as it avoided large redundancies. Oops!
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Totally agree.
I had a sum of money stolen by a fraudulent investment company and last Friday he got 7 years for his trouble. Even though the Judge recognised the devastation this caused to the home lives of the people affected, there was no "compensation" available.
The money has all gone or it's hidden nicely for when he gets out of jail.
I had a sum of money stolen by a fraudulent investment company and last Friday he got 7 years for his trouble. Even though the Judge recognised the devastation this caused to the home lives of the people affected, there was no "compensation" available.
The money has all gone or it's hidden nicely for when he gets out of jail.
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Some are trying to blame Rovers demise on Clarkson and Top Gear. Nobody takes responsibility for anything anymore.
LMAO
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4432279.stm
LMAO
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4432279.stm
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Trying to blame TG for Rover's demise? Oh please! Are they going to blame SN as well, because many of us quite happily 'deride' Rover by saying their products are crap.
As for the government helping out in with regards to Rover. Why should it? If it was a state owned company, then yes, fair enough, but a private company? No I don't think so. If that was the case then any of us who may be made redundant should be able to claim money from the government.
It is sad and worrying for those who are/were working for Rover, but I don't see why money from tax payers should be diverted to help them out, I'd not get anything, so why should they. The benefits agency is there for a reason, and yes, a strain will be put on it due to the massive increase in claimants from the demise of Rover, but use the system that you have been paying into. If you're too proud too do so then tough!
As for the government helping out in with regards to Rover. Why should it? If it was a state owned company, then yes, fair enough, but a private company? No I don't think so. If that was the case then any of us who may be made redundant should be able to claim money from the government.
It is sad and worrying for those who are/were working for Rover, but I don't see why money from tax payers should be diverted to help them out, I'd not get anything, so why should they. The benefits agency is there for a reason, and yes, a strain will be put on it due to the massive increase in claimants from the demise of Rover, but use the system that you have been paying into. If you're too proud too do so then tough!
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Originally Posted by OllyK
If I were cynical I might think they were trying to "buy" themselves a few thousand votes!
By paying a private company £6m out of governemnt revenue to pay that firms weekly wage bill, it certainly isnt an economic decison because it doesn't scratch the surface on their problems and it wil barely change things for the company and only make a marginal change to the employees.
Its a flagship British firm (at least it was) and by showing the country it is helping the course people are going to look favourably at Labour.
Im not a politician but i would say that by giving Rover money it hasnt done them any harm at all.
(Isn't it funny how every thread seems to turn political recently?)
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Some are trying to blame Rovers demise on Clarkson and Top Gear. Nobody takes responsibility for anything anymore.
LMAO
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4432279.stm
LMAO
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4432279.stm
And I want to see Tranny's 2000 members hung, drawn and quartered, but hey we can't always have what we want!
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Originally Posted by matt85
I wouldn't call that cynical. I would call that the truth.
By paying a private company £6m out of governemnt revenue to pay that firms weekly wage bill, it certainly isnt an economic decison because it doesn't scratch the surface on their problems and it wil barely change things for the company and only make a marginal change to the employees.
Its a flagship British firm (at least it was) and by showing the country it is helping the course people are going to look favourably at Labour.
Im not a politician but i would say that by giving Rover money it hasnt done them any harm at all.
(Isn't it funny how every thread seems to turn political recently?)
By paying a private company £6m out of governemnt revenue to pay that firms weekly wage bill, it certainly isnt an economic decison because it doesn't scratch the surface on their problems and it wil barely change things for the company and only make a marginal change to the employees.
Its a flagship British firm (at least it was) and by showing the country it is helping the course people are going to look favourably at Labour.
Im not a politician but i would say that by giving Rover money it hasnt done them any harm at all.
(Isn't it funny how every thread seems to turn political recently?)
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Originally Posted by Buckrogers
"We want to see Top Gear taken off the screens," says Steve Hounsham, of Transport 2000.
And I want to see Tranny's 2000 members hung, drawn and quartered, but hey we can't always have what we want!
And I want to see Tranny's 2000 members hung, drawn and quartered, but hey we can't always have what we want!
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Paying the £6m is to keep Rover from sinking today - although what difference a week makes remains to be seen. Maybe Tony's going to siphon of £6m a week 'til after the election and hopes no one will notice - lets face it PSLewis hasn't noticed the billions missing from his pension - another £6m wont be missed
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Meanwhile, controversy about the programme has spilled over into the pages of the Daily Telegraph, with one reader partly blaming the show's chief presenter, Jeremy Clarkson, for the company's troubles, because of his derisive reviews of Rover cars.
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Originally Posted by jasey
Paying the £6m is to keep Rover from sinking today - although what difference a week makes remains to be seen. Maybe Tony's going to siphon of £6m a week 'til after the election and hopes no one will notice - lets face it PSLewis hasn't noticed the billions missing from his pension - another £6m wont be missed
As has already been pointed out, the company didnt just go oops were in trouble gotta lay some people off, this has been in steady decline for many years.
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Some are trying to blame Rovers demise on Clarkson and Top Gear. Nobody takes responsibility for anything anymore.
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Now they're suggesting that Tesco's should take over!
But Tesco are a shrewed very well run profitable company. Meaning they wouldn't even think of taking on such a massively unprofitable, unworkable money pit with aboslutely zero to offer its investors.
When I first heard of SAIC were in negociations with MG-Rover some months back I thought to myself "Run, Run SAIC run while you can. Surely a large corporation like that isn't that gullible to join up and invest in such a blatantly obvious bad business venture".
BUT One good thing about this blame culture we're having though...
Hopefully, everyone who works at Rover or supplying companies, or has concerns over the demise of yet another large UK manufacturing business WILL blame the government...
Blame the goverment = Less votes for labour
....Well 6000 less at least anyway, which should make a nice dent for their Midland constituancy (historically Labour dominated round Birmingham)
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Blame the goverment = Less votes for labour
....Well 6000 less at least anyway, which should make a nice dent for their Midland constituancy (historically Labour dominated round Birmingham)
....Well 6000 less at least anyway, which should make a nice dent for their Midland constituancy (historically Labour dominated round Birmingham)
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Meanwhile, controversy about the programme has spilled over into the pages of the Daily Telegraph, with one reader partly blaming the show's chief presenter, Jeremy Clarkson, for the company's troubles, because of his derisive reviews of Rover cars.
If that had any impact at all, vauxhall would have gone bust a long time ago!!!!
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Originally Posted by Buckrogers
"We want to see Top Gear taken off the screens," says Steve Hounsham, of Transport 2000.
And I want to see Tranny's 2000 members hung, drawn and quartered, but hey we can't always have what we want!
And I want to see Tranny's 2000 members hung, drawn and quartered, but hey we can't always have what we want!
For those interested his email address (readliy found on the Transport 2000 website) is steve.hounsham@transport2000.org.uk
If you do decide to email him, please keep it polite and civil.